Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.

You cannot do this. Please stop being stupid.

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Why should a non-religious person be forced to stand for a pledge that includes a reference to God? My DC chooses to sit quietly during the pledge and is not disruptive at all - I’m fine with that, as is the teacher.

Basic manners.

Nope. The law.

There is no law that requires someone to stand for the Pledge.

Sigh. Yes, I know. Read what I was replying to (someone who said kids need to stand because “manners”). Asinine.

It is manners. You might not like it but people will certainly think you’re disrespectful if you don’t stand. It’s your choice to be disrespectful and not have manners.

I’m not the PP but I couldn’t care less what some ignoramus thinks about a peaceful protest. It’s on them to get educated better on how democracies work.

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Anonymous wrote:My HS DD wants to take a knee next year, following the Dobbs decision. That is 100% her right, and if her HS pushes back I will support her doing so, as long as she is quiet, respectful, etc. if I am ever in public with her and she takes a knee (like at a football gram), I’ll join her.

1A is still a thing, for now.

I guarantee she won’t get the attention she’s hoping for nobody will even notice.

Oh, but they will notice, and it’s fun how much that upsets you.

Believe me, I won’t notice. I’ve got waaaay better things to occupy my mind.

Nobody said “you” will notice. Others will. Cope harder.

I’m fine 🥰 sounds like you and your daughter need to figure out how to cope harder.

It’s not my daughter. I’m not that PP. Just another person laughing at your ancient rigidity.

You’re an idiot. My original post said the pp’s daughter isn’t going to get attention for taking a knee how’s that rigid or ancient? Nobody cares about these attention seeking behaviors from you people. And calling attention to it only encourages more stupidity. Ignoring is the only answer.

You do care. You’re in hysterics that people won’t just stand and face the flag and do what you want them to do. If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t keep replying. You’d have already moved on.

Cope.

No, I really don’t. I replied because I was just scrolling on dcum waiting for my husband so we could go out together for a bit. We don’t even do the pledge in my class, so your dumb “taking a knee” display wouldn’t even happen. But if I did, and some dumb kid tried to protest by taking a knee, I’d ignore it. I spend all day ignoring non-disruptive bad/annoying behaviors. I have more patience than you could ever even imagine.

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I would laugh if some kid "took a knee" during the pledge. Virtue signaling at its finest, likely learned from watching their parents.

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Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Here is VA code: https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title22.1/chapter13/section22.1-202/

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

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50% of the students will stand and those stand just 25% will cited it

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

I haven't said it since 2018...

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Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.

You cannot do this. Please stop being stupid.

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Why should a non-religious person be forced to stand for a pledge that includes a reference to God? My DC chooses to sit quietly during the pledge and is not disruptive at all - I’m fine with that, as is the teacher.

Basic manners.

Nope. The law.

There is no law that requires someone to stand for the Pledge.

Sigh. Yes, I know. Read what I was replying to (someone who said kids need to stand because “manners”). Asinine.

It is manners. You might not like it but people will certainly think you’re disrespectful if you don’t stand. It’s your choice to be disrespectful and not have manners.

I’m not the PP but I couldn’t care less what some ignoramus thinks about a peaceful protest. It’s on them to get educated better on how democracies work.

It’s not “manners.” It’s their legal right. Nobody cares what you sanctimonious prigs think.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

Yawwwwwn. Go to bed, MeeMaw. It’s past your naptime.

Cemented how stupid you are.

You are a fossil who doesn’t understand American rights. We’re laughing at you.

By “we’re” you mean yourself and your sock puppet self.

Nope. There are at least two of us responding and very likely more, since your position is so reactionary and foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:Do a lot of schools require the pledge? I went to secondary school in the 80s and 90s, and remember saying it in elementary school, but not junior or senior high. This was in the Midwest, so not some radical hotbed. I’m honestly very surprised to hear that it is still a thing, especially in the higher grades.

Virginia law requires the daily recitation of the Pledge, although students are allowed to opt out if their parents object on religious or other grounds. I don't know what it says about staff.

As a teacher, I don’t do it. I just don’t feel very patriotic these days. Frankly, I think it would be more useful to ask students to recite a pledge to protecting “Mother Earth” than to ask them to swear loyalty to the nation. Given climate change, the future of their grandchildren doesn’t look too rosy.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay so you can't "force" a student to stand, but can you tell them "Larlo, please stand up during the pledge" and if they don't then say "Please be respectful during the pledge" but all without literally forcing them to stand? Anything wrong with that?

And BTW I find that when students don't stand for the pledge in elementary school it is generally because they are distracted or silly or whatever, not making any kind of actual statement.

No. Just say nothing. If they are being disruptive, discipline them whatever way you discipline other disruptions.

Kind of hard to discipline someone when I and the other students are all saying the pledge of allegiance. Discipline them after for being disruptive? I'd just as soon put a stop to it in the moment, five seconds, done.

Let’s make it a little easier for you:
Disruptive? Discipline.
Not disruptive? STFU.

I am totally fine with respecting a student's beliefs regarding the pledge and if they choose to not stand for that reason I'm okay with it. However, I consider it a critical part of my job as an educator to teach my students what it means to be respectful, of other's beliefs and of cultural norms. I have to do that because parents like you, who think it's a good idea to tell a stranger on the internet to "STFU", don't teach their children what it means to be respectful.

Thank you, Teacher! It’s so refreshing to see my child is surrounded at school by some adults who - like yourself - are role modeling for her how to be respectful (and tolerant) of others’ beliefs as well as her own.

Rest assured that many of our kids are taught at home the same principle, additional to being grateful for all the people who fought for our independence and those who still do so in order to preserve our freedom; in particular for those who don’t hesitate to put their lives in the frontline so that the rest can have the privilege to exercise our freedoms. We also highlight to our kids how these heroes, who are from different backgrounds, races, ethnicities, faiths, and political beliefs, still commit through their sacrifice and service to preserve our country’s freedom, diversity and unity.

On this special day, let’s focus on our commonalities and put aside our differences. Happy 4th of July! 🇺🇸

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Anonymous wrote:I would laugh if some kid "took a knee" during the pledge. Virtue signaling at its finest, likely learned from watching their parents.

Exactly like standing for the pledge.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

There are lots of immigrants who come here for other reasons, such as jobs. I came here for my DH. Women have more freedom in my own country than they do in large parts of the US. And our elections are free and fair. And we don't have school shootings. And our social mobility is also greater than here. I do think your donuts are better than ours.

Name the country in which women have "more freedom" than they do here in the U.S. We'll wait.

PP said “large parts of the US”. Women has more rights in any civilized country than GOP-controlled areas.