Suspicious deaths.

[Anonymous]

Gosh there are an awful lot of assumptions being made here. Maybe some of them are true, maybe not.

Just want to mention that i used to live in a small mountain town in the West. When you drive up the pass at night it can be very very dark, pitch dark, and that can be disorienting. jFK jr crashed his plan in the ocean after becoming disoriented in the extreme dark. If you’ve never driven in that kind of dark in an unfamiliar area, then you really can’t have any way of understanding how easy it is to not know which way is up or down or to the side. It’s nerve wracking. I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility that something like that happened to the woman who was driving the car. They could have been driving in the dark, kids asleep in the back (unbuckled) and the mom gets drowsy and disoriented and goes off the road. It’s possible. Given the past history it may or may not be the actual cause of the accident, but let’s not dismiss the possibility that it really was an accident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gosh there are an awful lot of assumptions being made here. Maybe some of them are true, maybe not.

Just want to mention that i used to live in a small mountain town in the West. When you drive up the pass at night it can be very very dark, pitch dark, and that can be disorienting. jFK jr crashed his plan in the ocean after becoming disoriented in the extreme dark. If you’ve never driven in that kind of dark in an unfamiliar area, then you really can’t have any way of understanding how easy it is to not know which way is up or down or to the side. It’s nerve wracking. I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility that something like that happened to the woman who was driving the car. They could have been driving in the dark, kids asleep in the back (unbuckled) and the mom gets drowsy and disoriented and goes off the road. It’s possible. Given the past history it may or may not be the actual cause of the accident, but let’s not dismiss the possibility that it really was an accident.

Except they were accelerating. They pulled off the road, stopped, and then accelerated off the cliff. Not assumptions. That's what the data from the SUV shows. Why are you assuming it happened at night?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s

This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.

What on earth was this video? That poor little boy.

I know! Why is no one besides you me and the poster who linked the video commenting? Everyone is stuck on the damn t-shirts. The video is really, really disturbing and inappropriate.

Another facet is mental illness which is common in that community. Adoptions should require a mental health evaluation instead of assuming people who fit a certain stereotype should automatically be assumed a good, qualified parent, etc.

So many of the moms behaviors were extremes and should have been red flags to the authorities.

Adoption requires home visits, interviews, etc. It is quite intrusive and you do need to disclose any mental health issues and get letters from doctors. I don't know who these women used for their home study - but perhaps that person did not do a good back ground check?

Was it unusual for the mom who plead guilty to hitting the girl to be sentenced to probation and allowed to keep the children, as well as withdraw all of the kids from school and relocate out of state? I would have thought any abuse proven true would warrant the termination of parental rights, especially since these were adopted kids and considered fragile and in need of a stable home. The authorities should have realized then that these moms were not fit to parent and 6 kids was too many.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gosh there are an awful lot of assumptions being made here. Maybe some of them are true, maybe not.

Just want to mention that i used to live in a small mountain town in the West. When you drive up the pass at night it can be very very dark, pitch dark, and that can be disorienting. jFK jr crashed his plan in the ocean after becoming disoriented in the extreme dark. If you’ve never driven in that kind of dark in an unfamiliar area, then you really can’t have any way of understanding how easy it is to not know which way is up or down or to the side. It’s nerve wracking. I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility that something like that happened to the woman who was driving the car. They could have been driving in the dark, kids asleep in the back (unbuckled) and the mom gets drowsy and disoriented and goes off the road. It’s possible. Given the past history it may or may not be the actual cause of the accident, but let’s not dismiss the possibility that it really was an accident.

Except they were accelerating. They pulled off the road, stopped, and then accelerated off the cliff. Not assumptions. That's what the data from the SUV shows. Why are you assuming it happened at night?

The above post is just an excuse. Just like the NYC nanny who said nearly severing the throats of the two children she was to care for, and stabbing the 6 year old 30 times was a mistake, an accident. It was unintentional, even though the nanny arranged the children's bodies after butchering them to showcase for the poor mother to find when she came home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gosh there are an awful lot of assumptions being made here. Maybe some of them are true, maybe not.

Just want to mention that i used to live in a small mountain town in the West. When you drive up the pass at night it can be very very dark, pitch dark, and that can be disorienting. jFK jr crashed his plan in the ocean after becoming disoriented in the extreme dark. If you’ve never driven in that kind of dark in an unfamiliar area, then you really can’t have any way of understanding how easy it is to not know which way is up or down or to the side. It’s nerve wracking. I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility that something like that happened to the woman who was driving the car. They could have been driving in the dark, kids asleep in the back (unbuckled) and the mom gets drowsy and disoriented and goes off the road. It’s possible. Given the past history it may or may not be the actual cause of the accident, but let’s not dismiss the possibility that it really was an accident.

They pulled off at a pull off spot off the highway. They then turned and drove more than 70ft across the pull out accelerating towards the cliff edge.

They didn't just drift off the road. They didn't go off a cliff edge off the side of the highway. The cliff edge was more than 70ft from the edge of the road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gosh there are an awful lot of assumptions being made here. Maybe some of them are true, maybe not.

Just want to mention that i used to live in a small mountain town in the West. When you drive up the pass at night it can be very very dark, pitch dark, and that can be disorienting. jFK jr crashed his plan in the ocean after becoming disoriented in the extreme dark. If you’ve never driven in that kind of dark in an unfamiliar area, then you really can’t have any way of understanding how easy it is to not know which way is up or down or to the side. It’s nerve wracking. I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility that something like that happened to the woman who was driving the car. They could have been driving in the dark, kids asleep in the back (unbuckled) and the mom gets drowsy and disoriented and goes off the road. It’s possible. Given the past history it may or may not be the actual cause of the accident, but let’s not dismiss the possibility that it really was an accident.

They pulled off at a pull off spot off the highway. They then turned and drove more than 70ft across the pull out accelerating towards the cliff edge.

They didn't just drift off the road. They didn't go off a cliff edge off the side of the highway. The cliff edge was more than 70ft from the edge of the road.

It clearly was not a coincidence that CPS just left their home for the 3rd time in the last few days. Between the new reports to CPS and the prior reports in MN, I doubt they accidentally drove off the cliff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s

This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.

What on earth was this video? That poor little boy.

I know! Why is no one besides you me and the poster who linked the video commenting? Everyone is stuck on the damn t-shirts. The video is really, really disturbing and inappropriate.

Another facet is mental illness which is common in that community. Adoptions should require a mental health evaluation instead of assuming people who fit a certain stereotype should automatically be assumed a good, qualified parent, etc.

So many of the moms behaviors were extremes and should have been red flags to the authorities.

Adoption requires home visits, interviews, etc. It is quite intrusive and you do need to disclose any mental health issues and get letters from doctors. I don't know who these women used for their home study - but perhaps that person did not do a good back ground check?

Was it unusual for the mom who plead guilty to hitting the girl to be sentenced to probation and allowed to keep the children, as well as withdraw all of the kids from school and relocate out of state? I would have thought any abuse proven true would warrant the termination of parental rights, especially since these were adopted kids and considered fragile and in need of a stable home. The authorities should have realized then that these moms were not fit to parent and 6 kids was too many.

The vast majority of allegations of abuse do not lead to termination of parental rights. Typically CPS works with the parents - parents have to take parenting classes or show they understnad how to discipline in non abusive ways, they may be asked to attend counselling to deal with their own issues etc. Expecially in this case since Sarah pled guilty and showed remorse and agreed she had overreacted - they likely felt there wasn't a lot of further risk. The case would have remained open for a period of time with a CPS worker checking in. The odd thing is that the daughter alleged that Jennifer abused her, not Sarah. Yet, Sarah pled guilty.

In a case where the children ahve been adopted from foster care, I would like to think they would have given closer scrutiny but they may not have.

[Anonymous]

I don't think the speedometer necessarily means anything. I don't know if they design them to record the last speed driven, but if it broke on impact then the speed would be meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gosh there are an awful lot of assumptions being made here. Maybe some of them are true, maybe not.

Just want to mention that i used to live in a small mountain town in the West. When you drive up the pass at night it can be very very dark, pitch dark, and that can be disorienting. jFK jr crashed his plan in the ocean after becoming disoriented in the extreme dark. If you’ve never driven in that kind of dark in an unfamiliar area, then you really can’t have any way of understanding how easy it is to not know which way is up or down or to the side. It’s nerve wracking. I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility that something like that happened to the woman who was driving the car. They could have been driving in the dark, kids asleep in the back (unbuckled) and the mom gets drowsy and disoriented and goes off the road. It’s possible. Given the past history it may or may not be the actual cause of the accident, but let’s not dismiss the possibility that it really was an accident.

They pulled off at a pull off spot off the highway. They then turned and drove more than 70ft across the pull out accelerating towards the cliff edge.

They didn't just drift off the road. They didn't go off a cliff edge off the side of the highway. The cliff edge was more than 70ft from the edge of the road.

Correct. All evidence thus far points to a Thelma & Louise by the moms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Except they were accelerating. They pulled off the road, stopped, and then accelerated off the cliff. Not assumptions. That's what the data from the SUV shows. Why are you assuming it happened at night?

Because the car was found in the morning and authorities said it probably been there several hours which would mean the middle of the night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s

This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.

What on earth was this video? That poor little boy.

I know! Why is no one besides you me and the poster who linked the video commenting? Everyone is stuck on the damn t-shirts. The video is really, really disturbing and inappropriate.

Another facet is mental illness which is common in that community. Adoptions should require a mental health evaluation instead of assuming people who fit a certain stereotype should automatically be assumed a good, qualified parent, etc.

So many of the moms behaviors were extremes and should have been red flags to the authorities.

Adoption requires home visits, interviews, etc. It is quite intrusive and you do need to disclose any mental health issues and get letters from doctors. I don't know who these women used for their home study - but perhaps that person did not do a good back ground check?

Was it unusual for the mom who plead guilty to hitting the girl to be sentenced to probation and allowed to keep the children, as well as withdraw all of the kids from school and relocate out of state? I would have thought any abuse proven true would warrant the termination of parental rights, especially since these were adopted kids and considered fragile and in need of a stable home. The authorities should have realized then that these moms were not fit to parent and 6 kids was too many.

The vast majority of allegations of abuse do not lead to termination of parental rights. Typically CPS works with the parents - parents have to take parenting classes or show they understnad how to discipline in non abusive ways, they may be asked to attend counselling to deal with their own issues etc. Expecially in this case since Sarah pled guilty and showed remorse and agreed she had overreacted - they likely felt there wasn't a lot of further risk. The case would have remained open for a period of time with a CPS worker checking in. The odd thing is that the daughter alleged that Jennifer abused her, not Sarah. Yet, Sarah pled guilty.

In a case where the children ahve been adopted from foster care, I would like to think they would have given closer scrutiny but they may not have.

The problem is one incident against a child is too many. It only took one time to kill the kids in NYC. There is always a first for everything. They all say it was a mistake and they have never hurt a child before. This was what the nyc nanny stated was the reason, she shouldn't go to prison. The nanny only needs to kill one time to go to prison. Murder is murder. How many times she hurt or murdered a child is irrelevant.

There should be 1 strike and the kids are removed and no more 6 kids to adoptive parents, especially if home is unstable with prior abuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s

This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.

What on earth was this video? That poor little boy.

I know! Why is no one besides you me and the poster who linked the video commenting? Everyone is stuck on the damn t-shirts. The video is really, really disturbing and inappropriate.

Another facet is mental illness which is common in that community. Adoptions should require a mental health evaluation instead of assuming people who fit a certain stereotype should automatically be assumed a good, qualified parent, etc.

So many of the moms behaviors were extremes and should have been red flags to the authorities.

+100
I'm the PP and the whole t-shirt discussion is ridiculous considering the actual mental state of these kids and I assume, the moms. That poor little boy looked like he was just hanging on for dear life. This is heartbreaking.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if the mother driving orchestrated the whole thing. Maybe they pulled off for some reason and when it was time to go again, she decided to floor it off the cliff. It's hard to know if both mothers were responsible or just the one driving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s

This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.

What on earth was this video? That poor little boy.

I know! Why is no one besides you me and the poster who linked the video commenting? Everyone is stuck on the damn t-shirts. The video is really, really disturbing and inappropriate.

Another facet is mental illness which is common in that community. Adoptions should require a mental health evaluation instead of assuming people who fit a certain stereotype should automatically be assumed a good, qualified parent, etc.

So many of the moms behaviors were extremes and should have been red flags to the authorities.

+100
I'm the PP and the whole t-shirt discussion is ridiculous considering the actual mental state of these kids and I assume, the moms. That poor little boy looked like he was just hanging on for dear life. This is heartbreaking.

If mental health clearance is required during adoption process, these women clearly hid their history. It would be easy if they moved around or argued disclosure is violation of their civil rights, etc. There is no way they could pass a mental health review.

And what happened to teaching children about boundaries with respect to allowing adults to touch them that way.

This whole situation has me recalling a mentally ill neighbor who had been institutionalized for issues including suicide attempts. She was a lesbian, protest marcher, moved from state to state and multiple countries. She had anger issues and was really into children in a bad way. She could not hold down a job either. Her job was lifelong student. She was talking about adopting, but then she changed her identity again and moved abroad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Odd video of one of their kids when much younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQx_ypnpIO0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m32s

This story has so many facets. LGBTQ, white women adopting black children, political activism, homeschooling, child abuse, possible outcomes of calling CPS/CPS actions, murder/suicide.

What on earth was this video? That poor little boy.

I know! Why is no one besides you me and the poster who linked the video commenting? Everyone is stuck on the damn t-shirts. The video is really, really disturbing and inappropriate.

Another facet is mental illness which is common in that community. Adoptions should require a mental health evaluation instead of assuming people who fit a certain stereotype should automatically be assumed a good, qualified parent, etc.

So many of the moms behaviors were extremes and should have been red flags to the authorities.

In what “community” is mental illness common?

I assume the pp watched the video and assumed this was some sort of a cult or religious group. Mental illness runs rampant in cults to say nothing of organized religion. They really attract the nutjobs! But I looked into this and he is singer and it was probably just a music festival.