TJ - which middle schools had students accepted in 2017

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Anonymous wrote:I demand equal representation in sports! My asian kids are entitled to a spot in the basketball or football teams even though they are probably not as good as your white or black kids!

If one demands TJ's makeup to reflect the general population then it should not stop at TJ, but should encompass every single program in FCPS, including but not limited to sports.

Asian kids are pretty well represented in sports in FCPS. Tennis, track, swim/dive, LAX, soccer-- all have plenty of Asian kids at our base school. Probably close to representing their population in the school. They may not be as represented in football and basketball, but are they trying out for these sports? TJ football only had 9 freshman this year. They are looking at not being able to field a team next year. So, Asian kids certainly are not trying out for football at TJ. No one is. If there are 200 Asian kids trying out for a FCPS football team, and only 8 make it, like the AA or FARMS or Hispanic numbers at TJ, you might be on to something. Can you find a school where this is happening? My strong guess is no.

If there aren't enough asian kids trying for football or basketball in FCPS, then the county should create a program specifically for asian kids encouraging them to play the sports and join a team. Just like they're doing with outreach programs for URM to encourage these kids to achieve better academically.

The problem with the sports = TJ analogy is that our public SCHOOL system's purpose is to provide a publicly funded education... the purpose of our public school system is not to provide sports training for kids. Sports are an EXTRA curricular activity. I think we, the public, have a greater interest in making sure the BEST resources and classes are not somehow used primarily for the benefit of one group. Disperate impact speaks to discrimination that isn't necessarily intended, but still has a negative impact on one or more groups. As a taxpayer, I want our public sci/tech school to include a more representative mix of students. I'm totally fine with having a lottery system once applicants meet a certain test threshold. No one can prep for a lottery!

Then why are we paying for it using our tax dollars. Let's shut it down! A bunch of hypocrites!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I demand equal representation in sports! My asian kids are entitled to a spot in the basketball or football teams even though they are probably not as good as your white or black kids!

If one demands TJ's makeup to reflect the general population then it should not stop at TJ, but should encompass every single program in FCPS, including but not limited to sports.

Asian kids are pretty well represented in sports in FCPS. Tennis, track, swim/dive, LAX, soccer-- all have plenty of Asian kids at our base school. Probably close to representing their population in the school. They may not be as represented in football and basketball, but are they trying out for these sports? TJ football only had 9 freshman this year. They are looking at not being able to field a team next year. So, Asian kids certainly are not trying out for football at TJ. No one is. If there are 200 Asian kids trying out for a FCPS football team, and only 8 make it, like the AA or FARMS or Hispanic numbers at TJ, you might be on to something. Can you find a school where this is happening? My strong guess is no.

If there aren't enough asian kids trying for football or basketball in FCPS, then the county should create a program specifically for asian kids encouraging them to play the sports and join a team. Just like they're doing with outreach programs for URM to encourage these kids to achieve better academically.

The problem with the sports = TJ analogy is that our public SCHOOL system's purpose is to provide a publicly funded education... the purpose of our public school system is not to provide sports training for kids. Sports are an EXTRA curricular activity. I think we, the public, have a greater interest in making sure the BEST resources and classes are not somehow used primarily for the benefit of one group. Disperate impact speaks to discrimination that isn't necessarily intended, but still has a negative impact on one or more groups. As a taxpayer, I want our public sci/tech school to include a more representative mix of students. I'm totally fine with having a lottery system once applicants meet a certain test threshold. No one can prep for a lottery!

If the sole purpose of our public school is to provide a publicly funded education then they should eliminate all school sports and the money they would save can go toward building another (or 2, or 3) TJ, then every single kid that applied and met the threshold (which isn't very high) would be offered admission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I demand equal representation in sports! My asian kids are entitled to a spot in the basketball or football teams even though they are probably not as good as your white or black kids!

If one demands TJ's makeup to reflect the general population then it should not stop at TJ, but should encompass every single program in FCPS, including but not limited to sports.

Asian kids are pretty well represented in sports in FCPS. Tennis, track, swim/dive, LAX, soccer-- all have plenty of Asian kids at our base school. Probably close to representing their population in the school. They may not be as represented in football and basketball, but are they trying out for these sports? TJ football only had 9 freshman this year. They are looking at not being able to field a team next year. So, Asian kids certainly are not trying out for football at TJ. No one is. If there are 200 Asian kids trying out for a FCPS football team, and only 8 make it, like the AA or FARMS or Hispanic numbers at TJ, you might be on to something. Can you find a school where this is happening? My strong guess is no.

If there aren't enough asian kids trying for football or basketball in FCPS, then the county should create a program specifically for asian kids encouraging them to play the sports and join a team. Just like they're doing with outreach programs for URM to encourage these kids to achieve better academically.

The problem with the sports = TJ analogy is that our public SCHOOL system's purpose is to provide a publicly funded education... the purpose of our public school system is not to provide sports training for kids. Sports are an EXTRA curricular activity. I think we, the public, have a greater interest in making sure the BEST resources and classes are not somehow used primarily for the benefit of one group. Disperate impact speaks to discrimination that isn't necessarily intended, but still has a negative impact on one or more groups. As a taxpayer, I want our public sci/tech school to include a more representative mix of students. I'm totally fine with having a lottery system once applicants meet a certain test threshold. No one can prep for a lottery!

If the sole purpose of our public school is to provide a publicly funded education then they should eliminate all school sports and the money they would save can go toward building another (or 2, or 3) TJ, then every single kid that applied and met the threshold (which isn't very high) would be offered admission.

We don't need 2 or 3 more TJs. We need zero TJs. It's a blight on the county.

When you here parents who've moved to Arlington talk about avoiding or escaping the "AAP craziness," do you really not understand what they mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I demand equal representation in sports! My asian kids are entitled to a spot in the basketball or football teams even though they are probably not as good as your white or black kids!

If one demands TJ's makeup to reflect the general population then it should not stop at TJ, but should encompass every single program in FCPS, including but not limited to sports.

Asian kids are pretty well represented in sports in FCPS. Tennis, track, swim/dive, LAX, soccer-- all have plenty of Asian kids at our base school. Probably close to representing their population in the school. They may not be as represented in football and basketball, but are they trying out for these sports? TJ football only had 9 freshman this year. They are looking at not being able to field a team next year. So, Asian kids certainly are not trying out for football at TJ. No one is. If there are 200 Asian kids trying out for a FCPS football team, and only 8 make it, like the AA or FARMS or Hispanic numbers at TJ, you might be on to something. Can you find a school where this is happening? My strong guess is no.

If there aren't enough asian kids trying for football or basketball in FCPS, then the county should create a program specifically for asian kids encouraging them to play the sports and join a team. Just like they're doing with outreach programs for URM to encourage these kids to achieve better academically.

The problem with the sports = TJ analogy is that our public SCHOOL system's purpose is to provide a publicly funded education... the purpose of our public school system is not to provide sports training for kids. Sports are an EXTRA curricular activity. I think we, the public, have a greater interest in making sure the BEST resources and classes are not somehow used primarily for the benefit of one group. Disperate impact speaks to discrimination that isn't necessarily intended, but still has a negative impact on one or more groups. As a taxpayer, I want our public sci/tech school to include a more representative mix of students. I'm totally fine with having a lottery system once applicants meet a certain test threshold. No one can prep for a lottery!

If the sole purpose of our public school is to provide a publicly funded education then they should eliminate all school sports and the money they would save can go toward building another (or 2, or 3) TJ, then every single kid that applied and met the threshold (which isn't very high) would be offered admission.

We don't need 2 or 3 more TJs. We need zero TJs. It's a blight on the county.

When you here parents who've moved to Arlington talk about avoiding or escaping the "AAP craziness," do you really not understand what they mean?

YOU need zero TJs, not WE, as in we want zero sports program cost in public school system. Understand, peabrain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I demand equal representation in sports! My asian kids are entitled to a spot in the basketball or football teams even though they are probably not as good as your white or black kids!

If one demands TJ's makeup to reflect the general population then it should not stop at TJ, but should encompass every single program in FCPS, including but not limited to sports.

Asian kids are pretty well represented in sports in FCPS. Tennis, track, swim/dive, LAX, soccer-- all have plenty of Asian kids at our base school. Probably close to representing their population in the school. They may not be as represented in football and basketball, but are they trying out for these sports? TJ football only had 9 freshman this year. They are looking at not being able to field a team next year. So, Asian kids certainly are not trying out for football at TJ. No one is. If there are 200 Asian kids trying out for a FCPS football team, and only 8 make it, like the AA or FARMS or Hispanic numbers at TJ, you might be on to something. Can you find a school where this is happening? My strong guess is no.

If there aren't enough asian kids trying for football or basketball in FCPS, then the county should create a program specifically for asian kids encouraging them to play the sports and join a team. Just like they're doing with outreach programs for URM to encourage these kids to achieve better academically.

The problem with the sports = TJ analogy is that our public SCHOOL system's purpose is to provide a publicly funded education... the purpose of our public school system is not to provide sports training for kids. Sports are an EXTRA curricular activity. I think we, the public, have a greater interest in making sure the BEST resources and classes are not somehow used primarily for the benefit of one group. Disperate impact speaks to discrimination that isn't necessarily intended, but still has a negative impact on one or more groups. As a taxpayer, I want our public sci/tech school to include a more representative mix of students. I'm totally fine with having a lottery system once applicants meet a certain test threshold. No one can prep for a lottery!

If the sole purpose of our public school is to provide a publicly funded education then they should eliminate all school sports and the money they would save can go toward building another (or 2, or 3) TJ, then every single kid that applied and met the threshold (which isn't very high) would be offered admission.

We don't need 2 or 3 more TJs. We need zero TJs. It's a blight on the county.

When you here parents who've moved to Arlington talk about avoiding or escaping the "AAP craziness," do you really not understand what they mean?

You sound like you want to be a big dictator who can decide everybody's fate. What a delusional loser!

[Anonymous]

I thought the issue being debated here is non-asian kids not having the opportunity to attend the best STEM school because their asian peers prep to death and achieve better scores.

Well, one solution would be to build more TJs and allow everyone who is interested to enroll. FCPS just need to pull funding from sports program and allott it to building more STEM school. After all, public schools' sole purpose is to provide a publicly funded education, and it should not use tax payers money to fund extra curricular activities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's become a myth that Asian kids prepped hard to score high on tests.
Look at the international olympiad in math, physics, chemistry,..... that require highest intellectual ability and take a wild guess at Asian concentration in USA national teams. It's been averaging 70-90% Asians during last decade.
Did they overprep? Who cares! If you can prep to achieve the highest honor in the whole world (be it math olympiad or sports olympiad) then so be it!
The point is you have no way to even come close to that level even if you prep to death because it also requires raw talent that you guys conveniently ignore.

that said, we have no condolence for cheating. All the cheating students should be given an F and be suspended accordingly. We'll also urge the new TJ leadership to take action on cheating.

Parents need to support and back up the administration in cracking down on cheating. Parents need to be very clear in telling their kids that cheating is unacceptable in their household. Every kid caught needs to be held accountable and the offense needs to be entered on the record that goes to colleges. Students need to understand that cheating is a very serious infraction.

We can't have parents complaining when their kids are caught and working to get the consequences reduced. We can't have parents blaming teachers when their kids get caught cheating and making excuses for kids when they cheat.

Parents need to tell the administrators that they want a school which will not tolerate cheating and that they will be 100% behind actions that the admins take to eliminate cheating at TJ. I would like to see the school send home a contract saying this before school starts, to be signed by students and parents and which every student must have on file.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the issue being debated here is non-asian kids not having the opportunity to attend the best STEM school because their asian peers prep to death and achieve better scores.

Well, one solution would be to build more TJs and allow everyone who is interested to enroll. FCPS just need to pull funding from sports program and allott it to building more STEM school. After all, public schools' sole purpose is to provide a publicly funded education, and it should not use tax payers money to fund extra curricular activities.

That's a lie to start with.

[Anonymous]

LOTTERY solves the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOTTERY solves the problem.

Why don't you move to a communist country, hypocrite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's become a myth that Asian kids prepped hard to score high on tests.
Look at the international olympiad in math, physics, chemistry,..... that require highest intellectual ability and take a wild guess at Asian concentration in USA national teams. It's been averaging 70-90% Asians during last decade.
Did they overprep? Who cares! If you can prep to achieve the highest honor in the whole world (be it math olympiad or sports olympiad) then so be it!
The point is you have no way to even come close to that level even if you prep to death because it also requires raw talent that you guys conveniently ignore.

that said, we have no condolence for cheating. All the cheating students should be given an F and be suspended accordingly. We'll also urge the new TJ leadership to take action on cheating.

Parents need to support and back up the administration in cracking down on cheating. Parents need to be very clear in telling their kids that cheating is unacceptable in their household. Every kid caught needs to be held accountable and the offense needs to be entered on the record that goes to colleges. Students need to understand that cheating is a very serious infraction.

We can't have parents complaining when their kids are caught and working to get the consequences reduced. We can't have parents blaming teachers when their kids get caught cheating and making excuses for kids when they cheat.

Parents need to tell the administrators that they want a school which will not tolerate cheating and that they will be 100% behind actions that the admins take to eliminate cheating at TJ. I would like to see the school send home a contract saying this before school starts, to be signed by students and parents and which every student must have on file.

New Asian TJ parent here. I'm all for this to happen. To be honest, after reading this forum, I'm really worried about DD starting TJ in the fall. Not only am I afraid she won't stand a chance against students that can buy old tests, but also that she'll be labeled a cheater because of her race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOTTERY solves the problem.

Yeah let's just dumb down everything! Anything to make your precious snowflakes feel better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's become a myth that Asian kids prepped hard to score high on tests.
Look at the international olympiad in math, physics, chemistry,..... that require highest intellectual ability and take a wild guess at Asian concentration in USA national teams. It's been averaging 70-90% Asians during last decade.
Did they overprep? Who cares! If you can prep to achieve the highest honor in the whole world (be it math olympiad or sports olympiad) then so be it!
The point is you have no way to even come close to that level even if you prep to death because it also requires raw talent that you guys conveniently ignore.

that said, we have no condolence for cheating. All the cheating students should be given an F and be suspended accordingly. We'll also urge the new TJ leadership to take action on cheating.

Parents need to support and back up the administration in cracking down on cheating. Parents need to be very clear in telling their kids that cheating is unacceptable in their household. Every kid caught needs to be held accountable and the offense needs to be entered on the record that goes to colleges. Students need to understand that cheating is a very serious infraction.

We can't have parents complaining when their kids are caught and working to get the consequences reduced. We can't have parents blaming teachers when their kids get caught cheating and making excuses for kids when they cheat.

Parents need to tell the administrators that they want a school which will not tolerate cheating and that they will be 100% behind actions that the admins take to eliminate cheating at TJ. I would like to see the school send home a contract saying this before school starts, to be signed by students and parents and which every student must have on file.

This thread is pages long! I'm assuming that the posts decrying cheating are not the same person. If so, why don't you guys start a petition on this cheating issue and get parent signatures. I'm sure all the freshmen will sign up (including the "cheating" asian ones, don't you think?) My kid is just starting TJ and I'd gladly sign the petition. I'd also expect the school to lay down strict rules/guidelines AND the teachers to change their test questions every year (can't believe this needs to be told).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the issue being debated here is non-asian kids not having the opportunity to attend the best STEM school because their asian peers prep to death and achieve better scores.

Well, one solution would be to build more TJs and allow everyone who is interested to enroll. FCPS just need to pull funding from sports program and allott it to building more STEM school. After all, public schools' sole purpose is to provide a publicly funded education, and it should not use tax payers money to fund extra curricular activities.

That's a lie to start with.

I know, but it seems like a lot of non-asian parents believe it and use this prep thing as an excuse as to why their kids score lower that asian kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I demand equal representation in sports! My asian kids are entitled to a spot in the basketball or football teams even though they are probably not as good as your white or black kids!

If one demands TJ's makeup to reflect the general population then it should not stop at TJ, but should encompass every single program in FCPS, including but not limited to sports.

Asian kids are pretty well represented in sports in FCPS. Tennis, track, swim/dive, LAX, soccer-- all have plenty of Asian kids at our base school. Probably close to representing their population in the school. They may not be as represented in football and basketball, but are they trying out for these sports? TJ football only had 9 freshman this year. They are looking at not being able to field a team next year. So, Asian kids certainly are not trying out for football at TJ. No one is. If there are 200 Asian kids trying out for a FCPS football team, and only 8 make it, like the AA or FARMS or Hispanic numbers at TJ, you might be on to something. Can you find a school where this is happening? My strong guess is no.

If there aren't enough asian kids trying for football or basketball in FCPS, then the county should create a program specifically for asian kids encouraging them to play the sports and join a team. Just like they're doing with outreach programs for URM to encourage these kids to achieve better academically.

The problem with the sports = TJ analogy is that our public SCHOOL system's purpose is to provide a publicly funded education... the purpose of our public school system is not to provide sports training for kids. Sports are an EXTRA curricular activity. I think we, the public, have a greater interest in making sure the BEST resources and classes are not somehow used primarily for the benefit of one group. Disperate impact speaks to discrimination that isn't necessarily intended, but still has a negative impact on one or more groups. As a taxpayer, I want our public sci/tech school to include a more representative mix of students. I'm totally fine with having a lottery system once applicants meet a certain test threshold. No one can prep for a lottery!

If the sole purpose of our public school is to provide a publicly funded education then they should eliminate all school sports and the money they would save can go toward building another (or 2, or 3) TJ, then every single kid that applied and met the threshold (which isn't very high) would be offered admission.

We don't need 2 or 3 more TJs. We need zero TJs. It's a blight on the county.

When you here parents who've moved to Arlington talk about avoiding or escaping the "AAP craziness," do you really not understand what they mean?

You sound like you want to be a big dictator who can decide everybody's fate. What a delusional loser!

Stop babbling and deal with the fact that TJ's days are numbered. There is nothing that obligates the county to operate a special school for test prep junkies and cheaters indefinitely.