TJ - which middle schools had students accepted in 2017

[Anonymous]

PP - incorrect assumptions all, about me. I am a TJ parent, not of a sophomore or cheater. No one is saying there isn't cheating at TJ, but the reports of an ongoing "ring" that is not investigated and the administration doing "nothing" about it are simply not true. As a point of fact, no one but the kid or teacher should know what grades a kid caught cheating got on the related test/assignment -- unless they are somehow snooping in the school records or such? -- and no one should believe anything the cheater self-reports about that subject. The fact that the school reports that many honor code violations have occurred means they addressed them -- with punishments, which you know they cannot advertise. So ... say what you want about the ring, and all teachers knowing about it (another ridiculous concept because there are teachers who are quite vocal and active in turning in kids for much less violations) ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP - incorrect assumptions all, about me. I am a TJ parent, not of a sophomore or cheater. No one is saying there isn't cheating at TJ, but the reports of an ongoing "ring" that is not investigated and the administration doing "nothing" about it are simply not true. As a point of fact, no one but the kid or teacher should know what grades a kid caught cheating got on the related test/assignment -- unless they are somehow snooping in the school records or such? -- and no one should believe anything the cheater self-reports about that subject. The fact that the school reports that many honor code violations have occurred means they addressed them -- with punishments, which you know they cannot advertise. So ... say what you want about the ring, and all teachers knowing about it (another ridiculous concept because there are teachers who are quite vocal and active in turning in kids for much less violations) ...

since younare so in tune with what is going AP on at TJ, I guess you will not be shocked to know that kids brag about their grades on tests, grades in classes, and GPAs. Let me guess-- that would *never* happen at TI either, right?

Since you have a kid at TJ, ask him or her about the sophomore cheating ring. Since you apparently don't ever talk to him or her about what is going on at the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP - incorrect assumptions all, about me. I am a TJ parent, not of a sophomore or cheater. No one is saying there isn't cheating at TJ, but the reports of an ongoing "ring" that is not investigated and the administration doing "nothing" about it are simply not true. As a point of fact, no one but the kid or teacher should know what grades a kid caught cheating got on the related test/assignment -- unless they are somehow snooping in the school records or such? -- and no one should believe anything the cheater self-reports about that subject. The fact that the school reports that many honor code violations have occurred means they addressed them -- with punishments, which you know they cannot advertise. So ... say what you want about the ring, and all teachers knowing about it (another ridiculous concept because there are teachers who are quite vocal and active in turning in kids for much less violations) ...

Actually, colleges should be provided this information so they know when comparing student that the cheater has inflated grades. People like you who claim there is no ring, that TJ is doing a great job of addressing what cheating there is, and that the cheaters' privacy should be protected at all cost are a huge part of the problem. This is what helps to perpetuate the rampant cheating. The school's diploma is only worth as much as its reputation. It also creates a pressure cooker environment for the students who don't cheat. If this keeps up, in a few years no one will want to send their kids to TJ because colleges will be wise to the grades earned by cheating and discount the inflated grades of TJ kids.

[Anonymous]

It's federal and state law and regulations that make student information private - this is not controlled in any way by the school administrators in any school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First-- you know as well as I do that TJ is only being transparent about cheating because they have to be. Addressing the cheating is at the top of the school improvement plan. And thus far they are "addressing" it by gathering data and reporting it. But they aren't really cracking down. So, let's not pretend that they are being transparent for the sake of being transparent. The "transparency" is mandated.

And they are not cracking down. The massive sophomore cheating ring this year? My kid says it's still operating. Some kids reported it. They held a school wide meeting (at which they assured kids they can not tell colleges if a kid cheats). The Administration wagged their fingers at the kids who cheated and told them to stop. The cheaters turned around and bullied the kids who had reported it-- viciously. And kept cheating.

All of the kids know the sophomore cheating ring is still operational. My kids says the students involved take pictures of the test on their phones during the test and text it out. The other kids see it. The teacher appears not to. They also walk out of class and stand in the middle of the hallway telling other kids that question 25 is A, etc. they aren't even bothering to hide it.

And, again, this cheating ring was reported, and the kids were found to have honor code violations. But, nothing substantive happened to the cheaters and the kids who reported were bullied badly. So now the kids know better to report.

But TJ should definately pat itself on the back for releasing the number of cheating incidents, because they are required to. Right?

The Administration at TJ does not care.

Another TJ parent here - this PP's comment is 100% accurate. I don't know why the other person who claims to be a parent is disputing/semi-defending this.

I've had 2 kids at TJ. Older one graduated a few years ago and knew of some cheating then, although it wasn't as widespread or open as it seems to be now. She knew one kid, who got into a service academy, that she had observed cheating several times. Subsequently that kid was asked to leave the academy - I guess old habits die hard. Just a warning to those who cheat.

Although the counselors cannot directly tell colleges that a kid has been caught cheating, they are able to rate their integrity/honesty on the recommendation form. Also, they make an effort to emphasize the integrity of students who don't cheat on their recommendations. The school needs to do more, though, and until they do, the cheating will continue because the benefits outweigh the consequences.

[Anonymous]

I have a question. Why is it that high schools can not let a college know that a student had been disciplined for a cheating infraction? It seems to be information that is pertinent to a college application in the same way that grades and test scores are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First-- you know as well as I do that TJ is only being transparent about cheating because they have to be. Addressing the cheating is at the top of the school improvement plan. And thus far they are "addressing" it by gathering data and reporting it. But they aren't really cracking down. So, let's not pretend that they are being transparent for the sake of being transparent. The "transparency" is mandated.

And they are not cracking down. The massive sophomore cheating ring this year? My kid says it's still operating. Some kids reported it. They held a school wide meeting (at which they assured kids they can not tell colleges if a kid cheats). The Administration wagged their fingers at the kids who cheated and told them to stop. The cheaters turned around and bullied the kids who had reported it-- viciously. And kept cheating.

All of the kids know the sophomore cheating ring is still operational. My kids says the students involved take pictures of the test on their phones during the test and text it out. The other kids see it. The teacher appears not to. They also walk out of class and stand in the middle of the hallway telling other kids that question 25 is A, etc. they aren't even bothering to hide it.

And, again, this cheating ring was reported, and the kids were found to have honor code violations. But, nothing substantive happened to the cheaters and the kids who reported were bullied badly. So now the kids know better to report.

But TJ should definately pat itself on the back for releasing the number of cheating incidents, because they are required to. Right?

The Administration at TJ does not care.

Another TJ parent here - this PP's comment is 100% accurate. I don't know why the other person who claims to be a parent is disputing/semi-defending this.

I've had 2 kids at TJ. Older one graduated a few years ago and knew of some cheating then, although it wasn't as widespread or open as it seems to be now. She knew one kid, who got into a service academy, that she had observed cheating several times. Subsequently that kid was asked to leave the academy - I guess old habits die hard. Just a warning to those who cheat.

Although the counselors cannot directly tell colleges that a kid has been caught cheating, they are able to rate their integrity/honesty on the recommendation form. Also, they make an effort to emphasize the integrity of students who don't cheat on their recommendations. The school needs to do more, though, and until they do, the cheating will continue because the benefits outweigh the consequences.

The above is a good reminder that, even if someone doesn't get caught cheating at one point, eventually many will get caught and the consequences are worse the further along in life one gets.

Parents need to let their kids know that they are proud of them and love them no matter what grades they get.

[Anonymous]

I'm a TJ parent. I've spent the last 5 years seeing and hearing TJ kids called cheaters, and thought-- all those bright talented kids, why would they risk something so stupid and unethical. The TJ cheaters thing must be sour grapes. Now I have a kid at TJ and owe DCUM an apology. It turns out the DCUM cheating rhetoric actually understates the problem-- as my DD reports it, as TJ hangout communities (TJ Vents and RealTalk TJ) report it, as the school disciple numbers report it. And the most appalling piece is that kids (accurately, IMO) realize that there is a greater risk to not cheating in a class where grades are curved and taking a GPA hit than there is to cheating and being caught.

I went to a college and a grad school that both expelled kids for their first honor code violation. At the time (20 years ago) I assumed that was standard. It makes me wonder if my college and grad school are unusual? Or if post-secondary schools have eased off this policy in the last decade? Or if kids leave HS and end up getting expelled from college?

At any rate, TJ is amazing in so many ways. But in this area, it is just unacceptable. I think they are playing toss with a grendade that has the pin pulled out. At some point, either this will leak to the press, or TJ kids will get caught cheating in major science fairs (it is known that kids spend 10K or more to "buy" projects), or there will be a schandal involving college admissions, or TJ admissions, or the SATs or PSATs or something else in a public setting.

I hope the new administration gets a handle on it very quickly. Dr. Glazer has cared more about TJ's ranking and reputation than doing the hard work of starting to solve the problem. The problem is there are some very vocal, very involved parents who do not support a crackdown on cheating, and who will attack an admin who imposes severe sanctions. It makes me think Dr. Glazer missed an opportunity to do something about it this year, since he announced his resignation last year, and is a "lame duck."

It is a nice thing is to see how many TJ kids became fed up with their classmates cheating this year. I think the size and scale of the sophomore cheating ring, and the Admin's failure to ever fully shut it down, pushed a button in a lot of kids. There is more reporting, and a lot of pushback from the kids not cheating. It hasn't accomplished anything, because TJ is on a cheater catch and release program right now. But the kids have lost patience. My bet is it comes to a public, nasty head by the end of next year-- because the TJ kids forced the issue (leaked to the WaPo, staged a demonstration, started publishing the names of kids who commit honor code violations, or otherwise made a loud public stink).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a TJ parent. I've spent the last 5 years seeing and hearing TJ kids called cheaters, and thought-- all those bright talented kids, why would they risk something so stupid and unethical. The TJ cheaters thing must be sour grapes. Now I have a kid at TJ and owe DCUM an apology. It turns out the DCUM cheating rhetoric actually understates the problem-- as my DD reports it, as TJ hangout communities (TJ Vents and RealTalk TJ) report it, as the school disciple numbers report it. And the most appalling piece is that kids (accurately, IMO) realize that there is a greater risk to not cheating in a class where grades are curved and taking a GPA hit than there is to cheating and being caught.

I went to a college and a grad school that both expelled kids for their first honor code violation. At the time (20 years ago) I assumed that was standard. It makes me wonder if my college and grad school are unusual? Or if post-secondary schools have eased off this policy in the last decade? Or if kids leave HS and end up getting expelled from college?

At any rate, TJ is amazing in so many ways. But in this area, it is just unacceptable. I think they are playing toss with a grendade that has the pin pulled out. At some point, either this will leak to the press, or TJ kids will get caught cheating in major science fairs (it is known that kids spend 10K or more to "buy" projects), or there will be a schandal involving college admissions, or TJ admissions, or the SATs or PSATs or something else in a public setting.

I hope the new administration gets a handle on it very quickly. Dr. Glazer has cared more about TJ's ranking and reputation than doing the hard work of starting to solve the problem. The problem is there are some very vocal, very involved parents who do not support a crackdown on cheating, and who will attack an admin who imposes severe sanctions. It makes me think Dr. Glazer missed an opportunity to do something about it this year, since he announced his resignation last year, and is a "lame duck."

It is a nice thing is to see how many TJ kids became fed up with their classmates cheating this year. I think the size and scale of the sophomore cheating ring, and the Admin's failure to ever fully shut it down, pushed a button in a lot of kids. There is more reporting, and a lot of pushback from the kids not cheating. It hasn't accomplished anything, because TJ is on a cheater catch and release program right now. But the kids have lost patience. My bet is it comes to a public, nasty head by the end of next year-- because the TJ kids forced the issue (leaked to the WaPo, staged a demonstration, started publishing the names of kids who commit honor code violations, or otherwise made a loud public stink).

I doubt it will ever come out in a public way. While the kids who don't cheat vent amazing amongst themselves, they also don't want to be painted as cheaters because they attend TJ. They don't want colleges wondering if they are one of the cheaters. It's sad because the kids who don't cheat get the short end of the stick if they say nothing because the cheaters will have inflated GPAs, and if they say something then colleges may question all TJ applicants because they don't know who the cheaters are.

[Anonymous]

Has the list of numbers of students at each middle school been sent yet? I've tried to read this thread to find out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has the list of numbers of students at each middle school been sent yet? I've tried to read this thread to find out.

Nope. Hopefully when it is released, someone will start a new thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP - incorrect assumptions all, about me. I am a TJ parent, not of a sophomore or cheater. No one is saying there isn't cheating at TJ, but the reports of an ongoing "ring" that is not investigated and the administration doing "nothing" about it are simply not true. As a point of fact, no one but the kid or teacher should know what grades a kid caught cheating got on the related test/assignment -- unless they are somehow snooping in the school records or such? -- and no one should believe anything the cheater self-reports about that subject. The fact that the school reports that many honor code violations have occurred means they addressed them -- with punishments, which you know they cannot advertise. So ... say what you want about the ring, and all teachers knowing about it (another ridiculous concept because there are teachers who are quite vocal and active in turning in kids for much less violations) ...

Actually, colleges should be provided this information so they know when comparing student that the cheater has inflated grades. People like you who claim there is no ring, that TJ is doing a great job of addressing what cheating there is, and that the cheaters' privacy should be protected at all cost are a huge part of the problem. This is what helps to perpetuate the rampant cheating. The school's diploma is only worth as much as its reputation. It also creates a pressure cooker environment for the students who don't cheat. If this keeps up, in a few years no one will want to send their kids to TJ because colleges will be wise to the grades earned by cheating and discount the inflated grades of TJ kids.

Too late. Already happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a TJ parent. I've spent the last 5 years seeing and hearing TJ kids called cheaters, and thought-- all those bright talented kids, why would they risk something so stupid and unethical. The TJ cheaters thing must be sour grapes. Now I have a kid at TJ and owe DCUM an apology. It turns out the DCUM cheating rhetoric actually understates the problem-- as my DD reports it, as TJ hangout communities (TJ Vents and RealTalk TJ) report it, as the school disciple numbers report it. And the most appalling piece is that kids (accurately, IMO) realize that there is a greater risk to not cheating in a class where grades are curved and taking a GPA hit than there is to cheating and being caught.

I went to a college and a grad school that both expelled kids for their first honor code violation. At the time (20 years ago) I assumed that was standard. It makes me wonder if my college and grad school are unusual? Or if post-secondary schools have eased off this policy in the last decade? Or if kids leave HS and end up getting expelled from college?

At any rate, TJ is amazing in so many ways. But in this area, it is just unacceptable. I think they are playing toss with a grendade that has the pin pulled out. At some point, either this will leak to the press, or TJ kids will get caught cheating in major science fairs (it is known that kids spend 10K or more to "buy" projects), or there will be a schandal involving college admissions, or TJ admissions, or the SATs or PSATs or something else in a public setting.

I hope the new administration gets a handle on it very quickly. Dr. Glazer has cared more about TJ's ranking and reputation than doing the hard work of starting to solve the problem. The problem is there are some very vocal, very involved parents who do not support a crackdown on cheating, and who will attack an admin who imposes severe sanctions. It makes me think Dr. Glazer missed an opportunity to do something about it this year, since he announced his resignation last year, and is a "lame duck."

It is a nice thing is to see how many TJ kids became fed up with their classmates cheating this year. I think the size and scale of the sophomore cheating ring, and the Admin's failure to ever fully shut it down, pushed a button in a lot of kids. There is more reporting, and a lot of pushback from the kids not cheating. It hasn't accomplished anything, because TJ is on a cheater catch and release program right now. But the kids have lost patience. My bet is it comes to a public, nasty head by the end of next year-- because the TJ kids forced the issue (leaked to the WaPo, staged a demonstration, started publishing the names of kids who commit honor code violations, or otherwise made a loud public stink).

+100

TJ Parent here. The TJ kids I know are frustrated with rampant cheating as well as the failure of Admin to hold cheaters accountable. Let's hope the new principal addresses the issue head on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP - incorrect assumptions all, about me. I am a TJ parent, not of a sophomore or cheater. No one is saying there isn't cheating at TJ, but the reports of an ongoing "ring" that is not investigated and the administration doing "nothing" about it are simply not true. As a point of fact, no one but the kid or teacher should know what grades a kid caught cheating got on the related test/assignment -- unless they are somehow snooping in the school records or such? -- and no one should believe anything the cheater self-reports about that subject. The fact that the school reports that many honor code violations have occurred means they addressed them -- with punishments, which you know they cannot advertise. So ... say what you want about the ring, and all teachers knowing about it (another ridiculous concept because there are teachers who are quite vocal and active in turning in kids for much less violations) ...

Actually, colleges should be provided this information so they know when comparing student that the cheater has inflated grades. People like you who claim there is no ring, that TJ is doing a great job of addressing what cheating there is, and that the cheaters' privacy should be protected at all cost are a huge part of the problem. This is what helps to perpetuate the rampant cheating. The school's diploma is only worth as much as its reputation. It also creates a pressure cooker environment for the students who don't cheat. If this keeps up, in a few years no one will want to send their kids to TJ because colleges will be wise to the grades earned by cheating and discount the inflated grades of TJ kids.

Too late. Already happening.

As much as I hate the cheating, I don't think this is true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a TJ parent. I've spent the last 5 years seeing and hearing TJ kids called cheaters, and thought-- all those bright talented kids, why would they risk something so stupid and unethical. The TJ cheaters thing must be sour grapes. Now I have a kid at TJ and owe DCUM an apology. It turns out the DCUM cheating rhetoric actually understates the problem-- as my DD reports it, as TJ hangout communities (TJ Vents and RealTalk TJ) report it, as the school disciple numbers report it. And the most appalling piece is that kids (accurately, IMO) realize that there is a greater risk to not cheating in a class where grades are curved and taking a GPA hit than there is to cheating and being caught.

I went to a college and a grad school that both expelled kids for their first honor code violation. At the time (20 years ago) I assumed that was standard. It makes me wonder if my college and grad school are unusual? Or if post-secondary schools have eased off this policy in the last decade? Or if kids leave HS and end up getting expelled from college?

At any rate, TJ is amazing in so many ways. But in this area, it is just unacceptable. I think they are playing toss with a grendade that has the pin pulled out. At some point, either this will leak to the press, or TJ kids will get caught cheating in major science fairs (it is known that kids spend 10K or more to "buy" projects), or there will be a schandal involving college admissions, or TJ admissions, or the SATs or PSATs or something else in a public setting.

I hope the new administration gets a handle on it very quickly. Dr. Glazer has cared more about TJ's ranking and reputation than doing the hard work of starting to solve the problem. The problem is there are some very vocal, very involved parents who do not support a crackdown on cheating, and who will attack an admin who imposes severe sanctions. It makes me think Dr. Glazer missed an opportunity to do something about it this year, since he announced his resignation last year, and is a "lame duck."

It is a nice thing is to see how many TJ kids became fed up with their classmates cheating this year. I think the size and scale of the sophomore cheating ring, and the Admin's failure to ever fully shut it down, pushed a button in a lot of kids. There is more reporting, and a lot of pushback from the kids not cheating. It hasn't accomplished anything, because TJ is on a cheater catch and release program right now. But the kids have lost patience. My bet is it comes to a public, nasty head by the end of next year-- because the TJ kids forced the issue (leaked to the WaPo, staged a demonstration, started publishing the names of kids who commit honor code violations, or otherwise made a loud public stink).

Wow, this post from 4 years ago. Maybe needed change us finally happening.