Why are HRCS so popular? Test scores stink.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The title of the post was rude and a little inflammatory. I apologize. Poor choice of words. I started this thread, not to pit charter and DCPS but because there seems to be a double standard when it comes to not so stellar test scores from DCPS Title I schools. Take JO Wilson as an example, only because I saw some recent no-so-flattering comments about the school. The test scores are on par with some of these charters. 24% ELA and 35% math. Yet, when someone wanted feedback about the school, everyone jumped on the poster saying it was a terrible school and never to enroll their child there. Why? It seems to have some pretty good programs too. It's not just JO Wilson but you can plug in a lot of DCPS Title I schools that are doing just as well, if not better than these HRCS like Marie Reed, Barnard, Thomson. Yet, when anyone suggests enrolling their child at one of these schools, you get the most negative feedback. Why? And why are the waitlists for these other schools into the hundreds?

Are you new to DC or just an idiot? You can't start a post like this and not expect it to be an us vs them war. People like you are the problem with education in the city. If you want to help, educate about the pros of your school, don't shit on the cons of others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The title of the post was rude and a little inflammatory. I apologize. Poor choice of words. I started this thread, not to pit charter and DCPS but because there seems to be a double standard when it comes to not so stellar test scores from DCPS Title I schools. Take JO Wilson as an example, only because I saw some recent no-so-flattering comments about the school. The test scores are on par with some of these charters. 24% ELA and 35% math. Yet, when someone wanted feedback about the school, everyone jumped on the poster saying it was a terrible school and never to enroll their child there. Why? It seems to have some pretty good programs too. It's not just JO Wilson but you can plug in a lot of DCPS Title I schools that are doing just as well, if not better than these HRCS like Marie Reed, Barnard, Thomson. Yet, when anyone suggests enrolling their child at one of these schools, you get the most negative feedback. Why? And why are the waitlists for these other schools into the hundreds?

Are you new to DC or just an idiot? You can't start a post like this and not expect it to be an us vs them war. People like you are the problem with education in the city. If you want to help, educate about the pros of your school, don't shit on the cons of others.

In what world would a loving parent choose JO Wilson, Marie Reed, Barnard, or Thomson over schools like Two Rivers, Cap City, LAMB, and Yu Ying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Because hrcs parents like to say they're not into test scores, man!

And then sneer and wring their hands at Powell/Bancroft/Tubman/Barnard et al. Because, I mean, have you seen the test scores? We're not into them, but pedagogy. Man. If you only educated yourself like I have, and learned how important these things are, you'd be doing Montessori unicorn immersion elvish with Larlito too.

Preach it sister. This is it. Test scores don't matter when your kids attend a hippy dippy charter school. Somehow it's an appropriate metric to gauge quality of neighborhood schools. Guess what, DCPS offers arts integration, montessori, dual language, you name it. These charter people who claim it's not the test scores, it's the programming options kill me. I don't see any of these same people enrolling their kids into Savoy or Langdon. Programming my ass.

What grade is your child in? Third or older? If you have a child in a title 1 school in 3rd, I'm happy to hear your opinion on this. If we are talking about a ECE kid...move along.

I have a fifth grader. (I am op though, not pp.) We do now attend a charter school. We did attend a dcps. Academics wasnt what made us switch from one to the other. Academically, I say with all of my inborn privilege and external comforts, is not a problem for the kid.

So what school is your 5th grader at that you feel so smug to put these other schools down that have been open or testing for 3-5 years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The title of the post was rude and a little inflammatory. I apologize. Poor choice of words. I started this thread, not to pit charter and DCPS but because there seems to be a double standard when it comes to not so stellar test scores from DCPS Title I schools. Take JO Wilson as an example, only because I saw some recent no-so-flattering comments about the school. The test scores are on par with some of these charters. 24% ELA and 35% math. Yet, when someone wanted feedback about the school, everyone jumped on the poster saying it was a terrible school and never to enroll their child there. Why? It seems to have some pretty good programs too. It's not just JO Wilson but you can plug in a lot of DCPS Title I schools that are doing just as well, if not better than these HRCS like Marie Reed, Barnard, Thomson. Yet, when anyone suggests enrolling their child at one of these schools, you get the most negative feedback. Why? And why are the waitlists for these other schools into the hundreds?

Are you new to DC or just an idiot? You can't start a post like this and not expect it to be an us vs them war. People like you are the problem with education in the city. If you want to help, educate about the pros of your school, don't shit on the cons of others.

In what world would a loving parent choose JO Wilson, Marie Reed, Barnard, or Thomson over schools like Two Rivers, Cap City, LAMB, and Yu Ying?

thanks for proving the point!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because hrcs parents like to say they're not into test scores, man!

And then sneer and wring their hands at Powell/Bancroft/Tubman/Barnard et al. Because, I mean, have you seen the test scores? We're not into them, but pedagogy. Man. If you only educated yourself like I have, and learned how important these things are, you'd be doing Montessori unicorn immersion elvish with Larlito too.

Preach it sister. This is it. Test scores don't matter when your kids attend a hippy dippy charter school. Somehow it's an appropriate metric to gauge quality of neighborhood schools. Guess what, DCPS offers arts integration, montessori, dual language, you name it. These charter people who claim it's not the test scores, it's the programming options kill me. I don't see any of these same people enrolling their kids into Savoy or Langdon. Programming my ass.

What grade is your child in? Third or older? If you have a child in a title 1 school in 3rd, I'm happy to hear your opinion on this. If we are talking about a ECE kid...move along.

I have a fifth grader. (I am op though, not pp.) We do now attend a charter school. We did attend a dcps. Academics wasnt what made us switch from one to the other. Academically, I say with all of my inborn privilege and external comforts, is not a problem for the kid.

So what school is your 5th grader at that you feel so smug to put these other schools down that have been open or testing for 3-5 years?

May I also add, several of these charter schools were founded by parents. Parents, like you, who gave up time and resources (money!) to start these schools. It seems easy for the OP to take advantage of the benefits of the dc education system while talking out the side of her mouth. How hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

Charters are something akin to what P&G/Better Crocker discovered in the late 40s/early 50s: If you give people a more complicated recipe where they need to add more ingredients, they're more likely to be engaged and feel satisfied.

In the end, however, whereas cakes are great. Charters are not panning out any better than DCPS for the higher end of parent-needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Charters are something akin to what P&G/Better Crocker discovered in the late 40s/early 50s: If you give people a more complicated recipe where they need to add more ingredients, they're more likely to be engaged and feel satisfied.

In the end, however, whereas cakes are great. Charters are not panning out any better than DCPS for the higher end of parent-needs.

The statistics say the opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Charters are something akin to what P&G/Better Crocker discovered in the late 40s/early 50s: If you give people a more complicated recipe where they need to add more ingredients, they're more likely to be engaged and feel satisfied.

In the end, however, whereas cakes are great. Charters are not panning out any better than DCPS for the higher end of parent-needs.

The statistics say the opposite.

I love the people chiming in with datasets. Please dear PP provide your reasoning for your statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Charters are something akin to what P&G/Better Crocker discovered in the late 40s/early 50s: If you give people a more complicated recipe where they need to add more ingredients, they're more likely to be engaged and feel satisfied.

In the end, however, whereas cakes are great. Charters are not panning out any better than DCPS for the higher end of parent-needs.

It's "Betty" Crocker, and you probably wanted to include Duncan Hines.

And yes, the charters are better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Charters are something akin to what P&G/Better Crocker discovered in the late 40s/early 50s: If you give people a more complicated recipe where they need to add more ingredients, they're more likely to be engaged and feel satisfied.

In the end, however, whereas cakes are great. Charters are not panning out any better than DCPS for the higher end of parent-needs.

The statistics say the opposite.

I love the people chiming in with datasets. Please dear PP provide your reasoning for your statement.

Google is your friend.

(Btw, the WaPo has only done a dozen or so articles towards the point, but here, let me help you with your homework. The fact that you are too lazy to learn this on your own goes a long way towards describing your intellectual inferiority and the low quality education you find acceptable for your offspring.)

http://www.dcpcsb.org/dc-charter-schools-continue-outperform-state-average

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Charters are something akin to what P&G/Better Crocker discovered in the late 40s/early 50s: If you give people a more complicated recipe where they need to add more ingredients, they're more likely to be engaged and feel satisfied.

In the end, however, whereas cakes are great. Charters are not panning out any better than DCPS for the higher end of parent-needs.

The statistics say the opposite.

I love the people chiming in with datasets. Please dear PP provide your reasoning for your statement.

Google is your friend.

(Btw, the WaPo has only done a dozen or so articles towards the point, but here, let me help you with your homework. The fact that you are too lazy to learn this on your own goes a long way towards describing your intellectual inferiority and the low quality education you find acceptable for your offspring.)

http://www.dcpcsb.org/dc-charter-schools-continue-outperform-state-average

Wait...is this from 2012? They're still talking about DC CAS. Something more recent and relevant please.

[Anonymous]

Here you go http://www.dcpcsb.org/evaluating/parcc.

[Anonymous]

Boom. DCPS still sucks. After 50 years why is anyone surprised?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The title of the post was rude and a little inflammatory. I apologize. Poor choice of words. I started this thread, not to pit charter and DCPS but because there seems to be a double standard when it comes to not so stellar test scores from DCPS Title I schools. Take JO Wilson as an example, only because I saw some recent no-so-flattering comments about the school. The test scores are on par with some of these charters. 24% ELA and 35% math. Yet, when someone wanted feedback about the school, everyone jumped on the poster saying it was a terrible school and never to enroll their child there. Why? It seems to have some pretty good programs too. It's not just JO Wilson but you can plug in a lot of DCPS Title I schools that are doing just as well, if not better than these HRCS like Marie Reed, Barnard, Thomson. Yet, when anyone suggests enrolling their child at one of these schools, you get the most negative feedback. Why? And why are the waitlists for these other schools into the hundreds?

Are you new to DC or just an idiot? You can't start a post like this and not expect it to be an us vs them war. People like you are the problem with education in the city. If you want to help, educate about the pros of your school, don't shit on the cons of others.

In what world would a loving parent choose JO Wilson, Marie Reed, Barnard, or Thomson over schools like Two Rivers, Cap City, LAMB, and Yu Ying?

Uh, YuYing's ELA scores stink. Their white kids scores in the 50s, vs. in the 80s at most of the DCPS with enough white kids to pull out by subgroup (more than 25). Their ELA scores are even worse that IT's, called "poor" on this thread. Your basis for comparison isn't useful. How about JO Wilson vs. Maury, Barnard vs. Ross, Thomson vs. Janney.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. The title of the post was rude and a little inflammatory. I apologize. Poor choice of words. I started this thread, not to pit charter and DCPS but because there seems to be a double standard when it comes to not so stellar test scores from DCPS Title I schools. Take JO Wilson as an example, only because I saw some recent no-so-flattering comments about the school. The test scores are on par with some of these charters. 24% ELA and 35% math. Yet, when someone wanted feedback about the school, everyone jumped on the poster saying it was a terrible school and never to enroll their child there. Why? It seems to have some pretty good programs too. It's not just JO Wilson but you can plug in a lot of DCPS Title I schools that are doing just as well, if not better than these HRCS like Marie Reed, Barnard, Thomson. Yet, when anyone suggests enrolling their child at one of these schools, you get the most negative feedback. Why? And why are the waitlists for these other schools into the hundreds?

Are you new to DC or just an idiot? You can't start a post like this and not expect it to be an us vs them war. People like you are the problem with education in the city. If you want to help, educate about the pros of your school, don't shit on the cons of others.

In what world would a loving parent choose JO Wilson, Marie Reed, Barnard, or Thomson over schools like Two Rivers, Cap City, LAMB, and Yu Ying?

Uh, YuYing's ELA scores stink. Their white kids scores in the 50s, vs. in the 80s at most of the DCPS with enough white kids to pull out by subgroup (more than 25). Their ELA scores are even worse that IT's, called "poor" on this thread. Your basis for comparison isn't useful. How about JO Wilson vs. Maury, Barnard vs. Ross, Thomson vs. Janney.

Why do you have such a hard-on for Yu Ying? I looked them up because you've mentioned them twice. Looks like they had the bad third-grade year as well:

Grade 3: 31/46
Grade 4: 69/68
Grade 5: 69/73

And by race, the top performers are not the white kids, they're the two or more race kids: 71/78. White: 59/74.