Why are HRCS so popular? Test scores stink.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren't the students who are the most disadvantaged (those at the bottom) the proof in the pudding?

DCPS can't do the job for them. Plain and simple, charters do more with less and produce better results.

No. DCPS is their school of last resort, particularly for SPED. They lack the social capital to make a better alternative work, and those with the social capital seek out best options like OOB spaces or charters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't the students who are the most disadvantaged (those at the bottom) the proof in the pudding?

DCPS can't do the job for them. Plain and simple, charters do more with less and produce better results.

No. DCPS is their school of last resort, particularly for SPED. They lack the social capital to make a better alternative work, and those with the social capital seek out best options like OOB spaces or charters.

No. A DC government report released in November of last year found that DC PCSs now serve the SAME NUMBER of students with disabilities, and a slightly higher percentage of students with Level 3 and Level 4 plans (the highest needs) students. http://www.dcpcsb.org/dc-public-charter-schools-serve-students-all-socio-economic-backgrounds

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't the students who are the most disadvantaged (those at the bottom) the proof in the pudding?

DCPS can't do the job for them. Plain and simple, charters do more with less and produce better results.

No. DCPS is their school of last resort, particularly for SPED. They lack the social capital to make a better alternative work, and those with the social capital seek out best options like OOB spaces or charters.

No. A DC government report released in November of last year found that DC PCSs now serve the SAME NUMBER of students with disabilities, and a slightly higher percentage of students with Level 3 and Level 4 plans (the highest needs) students. http://www.dcpcsb.org/dc-public-charter-schools-serve-students-all-socio-economic-backgrounds

OK. so you pick one piece of that argument and ignore the "school of last resort". DCPS gets the hardest cases. That's a given.

[Anonymous]

We know dc spends 100million to get all 3,000 of these most needy children TO school... How much does it spend actually educating them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't the students who are the most disadvantaged (those at the bottom) the proof in the pudding?

DCPS can't do the job for them. Plain and simple, charters do more with less and produce better results.

No. DCPS is their school of last resort, particularly for SPED. They lack the social capital to make a better alternative work, and those with the social capital seek out best options like OOB spaces or charters.

No. A DC government report released in November of last year found that DC PCSs now serve the SAME NUMBER of students with disabilities, and a slightly higher percentage of students with Level 3 and Level 4 plans (the highest needs) students. http://www.dcpcsb.org/dc-public-charter-schools-serve-students-all-socio-economic-backgrounds

OK. so you pick one piece of that argument and ignore the "school of last resort". DCPS gets the hardest cases. That's a given.

Actually it isn't. And both DCPS and PCSs send the real hardest cases to private placement.

[Anonymous]

I say congratulations to both DCPS and charters that scored well...

"Some of the most-improved public charter schools include KIPP DC: Quest Academy in Ward 7, Early Childhood Academy in Ward 8, KIPP DC: Heights Academy in Ward 8, and Friendship PCS – Chamberlain Elementary in Ward 6. Some of the most-improved open-enrollment DCPS schools include Marie Reed ES in Ward 1, Thomson ES in Ward 2, Stanton ES in Ward 8, and Ketcham ES in Ward 8."

But really concerning about the 33 schools that were below 10% proficient in both subjects.

http://dfer.org/district-schools-improve-overall-on-parcc-but-some-schools-still-languish/

[Anonymous]

Is anyone talking about his much time these schools spend in test prep? And at what cost? You can certainly teach a kid to perform well on a test, given enough time and resources, but are you educating them? Teaching them to think?

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure what they're teaching them at YY, other than some math. Pull out ELA scores for white kids - 59%. Now compare to Oyster Adams' ELA for white kids, 84%. Meanwhile, AA kids at YY score in the 30s.

Looks to me like almost everybody at YY needs a whole lot more English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't the students who are the most disadvantaged (those at the bottom) the proof in the pudding?

DCPS can't do the job for them. Plain and simple, charters do more with less and produce better results.

No. DCPS is their school of last resort, particularly for SPED. They lack the social capital to make a better alternative work, and those with the social capital seek out best options like OOB spaces or charters.

That suggests DCPS's lower performance is the result of SpEd students, and everyone knows that's not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't the students who are the most disadvantaged (those at the bottom) the proof in the pudding?

DCPS can't do the job for them. Plain and simple, charters do more with less and produce better results.

No. DCPS is their school of last resort, particularly for SPED. They lack the social capital to make a better alternative work, and those with the social capital seek out best options like OOB spaces or charters.

That suggests DCPS's lower performance is the result of SpEd students, and everyone knows that's not true.

No it doesn't but it is a factor, even if you're not comparing sectors. The schools with the highest concentration of poverty/ED students are by far the lowest performing overall. Charters do get ED students, but not as high a share of the most challenging/at risk students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone talking about his much time these schools spend in test prep? And at what cost? You can certainly teach a kid to perform well on a test, given enough time and resources, but are you educating them? Teaching them to think?

No, and it is one of the vicious problems with the test. Affluent kids get to pass fail whatever. Poor kids are penalized for low scores, and their high ones are attributed to test prep.

Which is, in some cases, true. I'm sure they lose a lot of time to test prep at some schools. Ko

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone talking about his much time these schools spend in test prep? And at what cost? You can certainly teach a kid to perform well on a test, given enough time and resources, but are you educating them? Teaching them to think?

No, and it is one of the vicious problems with the test. Affluent kids get to pass fail whatever. Poor kids are penalized for low scores, and their high ones are attributed to test prep.

Which is, in some cases, true. I'm sure they lose a lot of time to test prep at some schools. Ko

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This new test is by design really hard to prep for. The only prep that matters is the one that gives you the real skills, which is what I, at least, want for my kid. It is not the only thing, but it is the basis of everything else. This particular test reveals what is real and what is all smoke and mirros.

[Anonymous]

* mirrors

[Anonymous]

While we fight each other like a bunch of children, I'm surprised no one has mentioned what many other states have already figured out. The PARCC is not a good measurement and should not be used.

But please, keep on fighting amongst yourselves. It's so productive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not inspired by ITS's scores, and I say that as a long time parent. 25/18 for AA kids may be better than the DC average, but it is awful. 62/62 for white kids is quite poor also, especially compared to WOTP white scores, e.g., 81/84 at Key.

I want my bright child challenged and lifted by a room full of smart kids. Sadly, it looks like I've been kidding myself about ITS.

You assume that your "bright child" is not being enriched based on test scores? You picked the wrong school if that's the metric you care about.

How does she know her kid isn't the dumb kid bringing the scores down.