North Carolina and Transgender Bathrooms

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's prudish that we all don't use the same bathroom no matter our gender or sexual orientation.

LOL!! Some people are just so dumb, and so naive, and so stupid.

Men would love this rule.

Sorry 13 year old girl feeling insecure about your body- we wouldn't want to be "prudish"- go get naked next to your classmate!

What a wonderful, compassionate stance to take!

You do realize the communal area of a restroom doesn't involve getting naked, right? Or are you saying the 13 year old is insecure about washing their hands?

Do you not understand the concept of locker rooms? This is the second time you seem to have missed it...

locker rooms are not restrooms. I think our missing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't the transgendered person be the one who has to just deal with being uncomfortable, go to the bathroom that aligns with their biology and DNA, and close their stall door?

Because when a transwoman walks into a men's room, she opens herself up to violence and harassment by being a woman in the men's room. There has been a lot of violence done to transwomen in just this situation.

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Better to expose women to the violence, then the poor, poor "transwoman". After all, their safety is MUCH more important.

I'm going to say this again, and then I'm probably going to leave the thread because I'm getting frustrated, and none of us is going to convince the other to change her mind:

Violence is illegal. If a man dressed as a man goes into a woman's bathroom or locker room and exposes himself for sexual gratification, harasses a woman, and/or does a woman physical harm, the authorities should be involved the same thing applies if a man is dressed in women's clothing or says he identifies as a woman, OR if a transwoman does these things. There will be no change in anti-harassment or violence laws.

FWIW, I'm all for unisex single-stall bathrooms everywhere, and people (cis* or trans*) using them. I think that would eliminate a lot of these arguments and make nearly everyone more comfortable.

And I'm out.

This, alone, is the stupidest "compromise" I have ever heard of. No, it would not "eliminate a lot of these arguments and make everyone more comfortable." I do not want a man, real or pretending, standing next to me in the rest room. Period.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's prudish that we all don't use the same bathroom no matter our gender or sexual orientation.

LOL!! Some people are just so dumb, and so naive, and so stupid.

Men would love this rule.

Sorry 13 year old girl feeling insecure about your body- we wouldn't want to be "prudish"- go get naked next to your classmate!

What a wonderful, compassionate stance to take!

You do realize the communal area of a restroom doesn't involve getting naked, right? Or are you saying the 13 year old is insecure about washing their hands?

Do you not understand the concept of locker rooms? This is the second time you seem to have missed it...

locker rooms are not restrooms. I think our missing it.

Oh gosh- another person who doesn't realize that locker rooms and restrooms are often in the same room or connecting room! I don't understand- do these people never go to the gym? Did they not go to high school?

[Anonymous]

I think one of the biggest dangers of these kinds of laws is that it teaches girls to ignore their natural instinct that men in certain places (like isolated bathrooms) are a potential danger.

The activists are trying to teach girls that seeing a man in a woman's locker room or public restroom or open shower is perfectly normal and acceptable.

This attitude WILL put many girls and young women in physical danger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I'm a dad of girls. My eldest is going in on her own now, but on some occasions, she wants me to go with her (as do I...Jersey Turnpike comes to mind). So that means she comes into the men's room on those occasions.

I occasionally see her looking, just out of curiosity what her surroundings are. So does this now mean:

a) I can accompany her into the women's room? Since, it doesn't matter if I have a Y chromosome?
b) I am foolish for wanting to ensure her safety in highway rest stops?

Bear in mind it's not just ensuring safety for many parents, it's hygiene. Kids require constant supervision so that they don't use the bottom of a urinal to balance themselves. Or rub their eyes while walking from the shitter to the sink.

If you put on women's clothes it's ok. But if your "gender identity" is male then could raise eyebrows. That's the liberal world we live in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the biggest dangers of these kinds of laws is that it teaches girls to ignore their natural instinct that men in certain places (like isolated bathrooms) are a potential danger.

The activists are trying to teach girls that seeing a man in a woman's locker room or public restroom or open shower is perfectly normal and acceptable.

This attitude WILL put many girls and young women in physical danger.

It teaches women the message patriarchy has force fed us forever.

You may feel safe around a man- but shut up and be nice! You can't make HIM uncomfortable!

So just be a nice girl and stuff those feelings to the side, because you wouldn't want to hurt his feelings!!! Goodness no!

It's the same exact thing Gavin de Becker covered in "The Gift of Fear". And yet it's 2016 and we're still dealing with it. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's prudish that we all don't use the same bathroom no matter our gender or sexual orientation.

LOL!! Some people are just so dumb, and so naive, and so stupid.

Men would love this rule.

Sorry 13 year old girl feeling insecure about your body- we wouldn't want to be "prudish"- go get naked next to your classmate!

What a wonderful, compassionate stance to take!

You do realize the communal area of a restroom doesn't involve getting naked, right? Or are you saying the 13 year old is insecure about washing their hands?

Do you not understand the concept of locker rooms? This is the second time you seem to have missed it...

locker rooms are not restrooms. I think our missing it.

Oh gosh- another person who doesn't realize that locker rooms and restrooms are often in the same room or connecting room! I don't understand- do these people never go to the gym? Did they not go to high school?

Are you saying you would be OK with restrooms only, ones without lockers/showers? Or are you just pontificating?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the biggest dangers of these kinds of laws is that it teaches girls to ignore their natural instinct that men in certain places (like isolated bathrooms) are a potential danger.

The activists are trying to teach girls that seeing a man in a woman's locker room or public restroom or open shower is perfectly normal and acceptable.

This attitude WILL put many girls and young women in physical danger.

It will. Given the history of man, men will most definitely commit violent acts and hurt women in single sex bathrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's prudish that we all don't use the same bathroom no matter our gender or sexual orientation.

LOL!! Some people are just so dumb, and so naive, and so stupid.

Men would love this rule.

Sorry 13 year old girl feeling insecure about your body- we wouldn't want to be "prudish"- go get naked next to your classmate!

What a wonderful, compassionate stance to take!

You do realize the communal area of a restroom doesn't involve getting naked, right? Or are you saying the 13 year old is insecure about washing their hands?

Do you not understand the concept of locker rooms? This is the second time you seem to have missed it...

locker rooms are not restrooms. I think our missing it.

Oh gosh- another person who doesn't realize that locker rooms and restrooms are often in the same room or connecting room! I don't understand- do these people never go to the gym? Did they not go to high school?

Are you saying you would be OK with restrooms only, ones without lockers/showers? Or are you just pontificating?

No? Where did you get that?

But the locker room certainly adds another layer of danger. Frightening stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the biggest dangers of these kinds of laws is that it teaches girls to ignore their natural instinct that men in certain places (like isolated bathrooms) are a potential danger.

The activists are trying to teach girls that seeing a man in a woman's locker room or public restroom or open shower is perfectly normal and acceptable.

This attitude WILL put many girls and young women in physical danger.

It teaches women the message patriarchy has force fed us forever.

You may feel safe around a man- but shut up and be nice! You can't make HIM uncomfortable!

So just be a nice girl and stuff those feelings to the side, because you wouldn't want to hurt his feelings!!! Goodness no!

It's the same exact thing Gavin de Becker covered in "The Gift of Fear". And yet it's 2016 and we're still dealing with it. Sad.

Don't bash men on this one. 95% or more of them agree this is ridiculous. This is some ultra-liberal agenda that the 1% wackos that run school systems, and other liberal radicals, are trying to foist upon us.

Don't be silent and pay attention to the people behind this, and fight them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the biggest dangers of these kinds of laws is that it teaches girls to ignore their natural instinct that men in certain places (like isolated bathrooms) are a potential danger.

The activists are trying to teach girls that seeing a man in a woman's locker room or public restroom or open shower is perfectly normal and acceptable.

This attitude WILL put many girls and young women in physical danger.

It teaches women the message patriarchy has force fed us forever.

You may feel safe around a man- but shut up and be nice! You can't make HIM uncomfortable!

So just be a nice girl and stuff those feelings to the side, because you wouldn't want to hurt his feelings!!! Goodness no!

It's the same exact thing Gavin de Becker covered in "The Gift of Fear". And yet it's 2016 and we're still dealing with it. Sad.

Don't bash men on this one. 95% or more of them agree this is ridiculous. This is some ultra-liberal agenda that the 1% wackos that run school systems, and other liberal radicals, are trying to foist upon us.

Don't be silent and pay attention to the people behind this, and fight them.

When men stop committing violence, I won't bash them. Until that day, I sure will. And will continue to alert women to the danger posed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's prudish that we all don't use the same bathroom no matter our gender or sexual orientation.

LOL!! Some people are just so dumb, and so naive, and so stupid.

Men would love this rule.

Sorry 13 year old girl feeling insecure about your body- we wouldn't want to be "prudish"- go get naked next to your classmate!

What a wonderful, compassionate stance to take!

You do realize the communal area of a restroom doesn't involve getting naked, right? Or are you saying the 13 year old is insecure about washing their hands?

Do you not understand the concept of locker rooms? This is the second time you seem to have missed it...

locker rooms are not restrooms. I think our missing it.

Oh gosh- another person who doesn't realize that locker rooms and restrooms are often in the same room or connecting room! I don't understand- do these people never go to the gym? Did they not go to high school?

Are you saying you would be OK with restrooms only, ones without lockers/showers? Or are you just pontificating?

No? Where did you get that?

But the locker room certainly adds another layer of danger. Frightening stuff.

So what's your issue with non locker/shower rooms?

[Anonymous]

You people are so stupid. Transwomen use the ladies rooms
all the time. Most of the time we don't know it because we're all just going about our business. In places like our federal agency, there are a few openly transgender women who we share a bathroom with. It is a non-issue for people who dwell in the real world where we are not looking for imaginary reasons to be upset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's prudish that we all don't use the same bathroom no matter our gender or sexual orientation.

LOL!! Some people are just so dumb, and so naive, and so stupid.

Men would love this rule.

Sorry 13 year old girl feeling insecure about your body- we wouldn't want to be "prudish"- go get naked next to your classmate!

What a wonderful, compassionate stance to take!

My former fellow law student, now an esteemed professor at Harvard (Jeannie Suk), was just pushing this "everyone should share bathrooms" schtick in the New Yorker. Why should it ever matter, she asks? Privacy is an ever changing and ephemeral concept. Plus, there are small partitions between stalls!

I think that's silly, academic ivory tower BS. People crapping and farting (especially in the workplace) deserve as much privacy as possible. Women and girls dealing with their periods deserve as much privacy as possible. Everyone knows this, really.

Otherwise, let's set up some zero-privacy stalls, and those who pretend they don't care should be the first ones to use them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's prudish that we all don't use the same bathroom no matter our gender or sexual orientation.

LOL!! Some people are just so dumb, and so naive, and so stupid.

Men would love this rule.

Sorry 13 year old girl feeling insecure about your body- we wouldn't want to be "prudish"- go get naked next to your classmate!

What a wonderful, compassionate stance to take!

You do realize the communal area of a restroom doesn't involve getting naked, right? Or are you saying the 13 year old is insecure about washing their hands?

Do you not understand the concept of locker rooms? This is the second time you seem to have missed it...

locker rooms are not restrooms. I think our missing it.

No, you're missing it. Once restrooms are fair game, so are locker rooms. You are saying that your sex organs don't matter and you go to whatever place you feel most comfortable with. A lot of people take issue with that for all the reasons stated above.

Oh gosh- another person who doesn't realize that locker rooms and restrooms are often in the same room or connecting room! I don't understand- do these people never go to the gym? Did they not go to high school?

Are you saying you would be OK with restrooms only, ones without lockers/showers? Or are you just pontificating?

No? Where did you get that?

But the locker room certainly adds another layer of danger. Frightening stuff.

So what's your issue with non locker/shower rooms?