Israel disgusts me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel will be here long after the morons posting here....

Don't fool yourself. The Brits and Americans who supported Israel in 1946 are asking themselves what they were thinking.

The only mistake they made was to put Israel in the Middle East, in an Arab-Muslim dominated area. I don't think any non Muslim country could live peacefully there and am surprised that Israel survived as long as it has. Had this country formed in South America instead-we all would have been better off. Maybe it is time for Israel to relocate-South America is emptying out into the US so there will be plenty of space. Let the Middle East obliterate themselves as there will never be peace there whether Israelis/Jews live there or not.

There would have been no "good" place for an Israel since the whole idea is repulsive because it is so fascist.
Jewish people unfortunately have made enemies where ever they have gone. The US, Canada, and Britain are the only places they are safe, perhaps because these are large countries with big economies and Christians. Don't know, but no one in the US, Canada, or Britain is willing to carve out part of the country to give away. The Europeans I know that support Israel, do so because they want to keep Jews out of Europe.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the future - opposition to Israel around the globe and from people who won't change their negative view just because some Baby Boomer clicks her heels three times and says Hamas, Hamas, Hamas every time Israel's war crimes come up.

https://mobile.twitter.com/zrjaved/status/495629399451254784/photo/1

I'll stand up for gaza when Hamas disavows it's previous statements about the destruction of Israel. The desire for coexistence needs to be mutual.

Gaza and Hamas are two different things. That dead two day old baby didn't vote for Hamas.

By that logic Israel is different than its government. The fact is that Gaia voted for Hamas, period. So gazans must deal with the policies and actions of its government, just like the Israelis.

I assume you realize that this was exactly the justification used by Bin Laden. Average Americans such as those working in the World Trade Center voted for the American government. Therefore, they were guilty of that government's transgressions and were legitimate targets. When you find yourself on the same moral plane as Bin Laden, it may be time for a rethink.

That's a disgusting comparison and you know it. You are comparing Hamas to the us government. It's time for your idiotic academic exercise to end. You're clearly close-minded and refuse to respond to arguments that you can't win. You're not helping the dialogue. It's your type of opinion that only serves to make the issue worse. If you want to truly make a difference try climbing off your pedestal and gain some perspective. Otherwise you're just an angry voice in the crowd that will ultimately be ignored.

You just said that 44% of Gazans are legitimate targets, simply because of how they voted. Of course when there are people writing things like you just did, I am going to be angry. Any sane person would be angry. The comparison is accurate. Bin Laden articulated exactly the same idea that you did.

I didn't compare Hamas to the US. I compared you to bin Laden. If you find that disgusting, maybe you should revisit your idea rather than getting angry with the messenger.

I said nothing of the sort. Putting words in my mouth is a poor excuse for arguing. You did compare Hamas to the us when you accused me of espousing the same disgusting ideology as bin laden. Maybe you need to give your victim ideology another thought before you start throwing out those kinds of grenades. You've spent an awful lot of time and energy over the last few few days criticizing Israel. Whenever someone develops an argument that you gave no response to, you don't respond. Grow a fucking backbone, learn to admit when you're wrong, and start engaging in useful dialogue. Your position on the issues is of no value. You are just an angry voice in the crowd. You want to help the situation, try shutting up for five minutes, reflect on the issues and your positions, and then respond.

[Anonymous]

I actually think Jeff's logic was spot on when he replies to people pushing the argument of "Gaza voted for Hamas, let them deal with it."

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the future - opposition to Israel around the globe and from people who won't change their negative view just because some Baby Boomer clicks her heels three times and says Hamas, Hamas, Hamas every time Israel's war crimes come up.

https://mobile.twitter.com/zrjaved/status/495629399451254784/photo/1

I'll stand up for gaza when Hamas disavows it's previous statements about the destruction of Israel. The desire for coexistence needs to be mutual.

Gaza and Hamas are two different things. That dead two day old baby didn't vote for Hamas.

By that logic Israel is different than its government. The fact is that Gaia voted for Hamas, period. So gazans must deal with the policies and actions of its government, just like the Israelis.

I assume you realize that this was exactly the justification used by Bin Laden. Average Americans such as those working in the World Trade Center voted for the American government. Therefore, they were guilty of that government's transgressions and were legitimate targets. When you find yourself on the same moral plane as Bin Laden, it may be time for a rethink.

Huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually think Jeff's logic was spot on when he replies to people pushing the argument of "Gaza voted for Hamas, let them deal with it."

I agree. That is precisely the argument that terrorists use when targeting civilians.

[takoma]

Anonymous wrote:There would have been no "good" place for an Israel since the whole idea is repulsive because it is so fascist.
Jewish people unfortunately have made enemies where ever they have gone. The US, Canada, and Britain are the only places they are safe, perhaps because these are large countries with big economies and Christians. Don't know, but no one in the US, Canada, or Britain is willing to carve out part of the country to give away. The Europeans I know that support Israel, do so because they want to keep Jews out of Europe.

Absolutely! They are as bad as all those women who make guys rape them.

I'm not in favor of Israel's policies either, but how do you get from there to describing antisemitism as "Jews have made enemies"?

[Anonymous]

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There would have been no "good" place for an Israel since the whole idea is repulsive because it is so fascist.
Jewish people unfortunately have made enemies where ever they have gone. The US, Canada, and Britain are the only places they are safe, perhaps because these are large countries with big economies and Christians. Don't know, but no one in the US, Canada, or Britain is willing to carve out part of the country to give away. The Europeans I know that support Israel, do so because they want to keep Jews out of Europe.

Absolutely! They are as bad as all those women who make guys rape them.

I'm not in favor of Israel's policies either, but how do you get from there to describing antisemitism as "Jews have made enemies"?

The Jews are hated because they are mostly very sucessfull-people are jealous of them-bottom line. They took a shit peice of useless desert in the hostile Middle East and for 60 plus years have made so many advances there in technology, medicine, education and even their military (though the US helped fund that) etc......In 60 years their country (or the country they occupied) is top rate in so many ways-compare it to any of the barbaric and backward third world "civilizations" that have existed in that region for centuries. I am certain that if they had to any DCUMer would Choose to live in Israel over Syria or Iraq. Sort of like comparing Chevy Chase proper to Camden NJ.

[Anonymous]

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There would have been no "good" place for an Israel since the whole idea is repulsive because it is so fascist.
Jewish people unfortunately have made enemies where ever they have gone. The US, Canada, and Britain are the only places they are safe, perhaps because these are large countries with big economies and Christians. Don't know, but no one in the US, Canada, or Britain is willing to carve out part of the country to give away. The Europeans I know that support Israel, do so because they want to keep Jews out of Europe.

Absolutely! They are as bad as all those women who make guys rape them.

I'm not in favor of Israel's policies either, but how do you get from there to describing antisemitism as "Jews have made enemies"?

The pp mentioned problems with anti semitism in Latin America. The only places where there seems to be no anti semitism is where Jews have never been. Now that might be because the only places they have been (or seem to like to be) is where Christians and Muslims live.
I don't know. Maybe I should have said, others have made enemies of Jews?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There would have been no "good" place for an Israel since the whole idea is repulsive because it is so fascist.
Jewish people unfortunately have made enemies where ever they have gone. The US, Canada, and Britain are the only places they are safe, perhaps because these are large countries with big economies and Christians. Don't know, but no one in the US, Canada, or Britain is willing to carve out part of the country to give away. The Europeans I know that support Israel, do so because they want to keep Jews out of Europe.

Absolutely! They are as bad as all those women who make guys rape them.

I'm not in favor of Israel's policies either, but how do you get from there to describing antisemitism as "Jews have made enemies"?

The Jews are hated because they are mostly very sucessfull-people are jealous of them-bottom line. They took a shit peice of useless desert in the hostile Middle East and for 60 plus years have made so many advances there in technology, medicine, education and even their military (though the US helped fund that) etc......In 60 years their country (or the country they occupied) is top rate in so many ways-compare it to any of the barbaric and backward third world "civilizations" that have existed in that region for centuries. I am certain that if they had to any DCUMer would Choose to live in Israel over Syria or Iraq. Sort of like comparing Chevy Chase proper to Camden NJ.

Offensive on so many levels, but mostly a classic case of "with friends like these..."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There would have been no "good" place for an Israel since the whole idea is repulsive because it is so fascist.
Jewish people unfortunately have made enemies where ever they have gone. The US, Canada, and Britain are the only places they are safe, perhaps because these are large countries with big economies and Christians. Don't know, but no one in the US, Canada, or Britain is willing to carve out part of the country to give away. The Europeans I know that support Israel, do so because they want to keep Jews out of Europe.

Absolutely! They are as bad as all those women who make guys rape them.

I'm not in favor of Israel's policies either, but how do you get from there to describing antisemitism as "Jews have made enemies"?

The Jews are hated because they are mostly very sucessfull-people are jealous of them-bottom line. They took a shit peice of useless desert in the hostile Middle East and for 60 plus years have made so many advances there in technology, medicine, education and even their military (though the US helped fund that) etc......In 60 years their country (or the country they occupied) is top rate in so many ways-compare it to any of the barbaric and backward third world "civilizations" that have existed in that region for centuries. I am certain that if they had to any DCUMer would Choose to live in Israel over Syria or Iraq. Sort of like comparing Chevy Chase proper to Camden NJ.

That was fertile land. The Jews were not always that sophisticated and the Muslims were not always backward. Muslims taught Jews and Christians math. And FWIW, all the progress could have occurred without the fascist Zionism. You don't have to be ruthless to develop a country.
BTW, would rather live in Cuba than the countries mentioned above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What Israel needs to do is replace its current government and embrace a one-state democracy with the Palestinians. It has a shrinking window to do this. The world is turning against Israel very rapidly. The power of social media and social activism at the global level has been greatly underestimated by the Israeli leadership.

It can't do that and maintain a Jewish state.

It should have thought about that before it evicted Palestinians from their homes and set up dozens of illegal settlements.

Too late for that. But not too late for a two state solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There would have been no "good" place for an Israel since the whole idea is repulsive because it is so fascist.
Jewish people unfortunately have made enemies where ever they have gone. The US, Canada, and Britain are the only places they are safe, perhaps because these are large countries with big economies and Christians. Don't know, but no one in the US, Canada, or Britain is willing to carve out part of the country to give away. The Europeans I know that support Israel, do so because they want to keep Jews out of Europe.

Absolutely! They are as bad as all those women who make guys rape them.

I'm not in favor of Israel's policies either, but how do you get from there to describing antisemitism as "Jews have made enemies"?

The Jews are hated because they are mostly very sucessfull-people are jealous of them-bottom line. They took a shit peice of useless desert in the hostile Middle East and for 60 plus years have made so many advances there in technology, medicine, education and even their military (though the US helped fund that) etc......In 60 years their country (or the country they occupied) is top rate in so many ways-compare it to any of the barbaric and backward third world "civilizations" that have existed in that region for centuries. I am certain that if they had to any DCUMer would Choose to live in Israel over Syria or Iraq. Sort of like comparing Chevy Chase proper to Camden NJ.

That was fertile land. The Jews were not always that sophisticated and the Muslims were not always backward. Muslims taught Jews and Christians math. And FWIW, all the progress could have occurred without the fascist Zionism. You don't have to be ruthless to develop a country.
BTW, would rather live in Cuba than the countries mentioned above.

So with your explanation the Jews advanced while the Muslims regressed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There would have been no "good" place for an Israel since the whole idea is repulsive because it is so fascist.
Jewish people unfortunately have made enemies where ever they have gone. The US, Canada, and Britain are the only places they are safe, perhaps because these are large countries with big economies and Christians. Don't know, but no one in the US, Canada, or Britain is willing to carve out part of the country to give away. The Europeans I know that support Israel, do so because they want to keep Jews out of Europe.

Absolutely! They are as bad as all those women who make guys rape them.

I'm not in favor of Israel's policies either, but how do you get from there to describing antisemitism as "Jews have made enemies"?

The Jews are hated because they are mostly very sucessfull-people are jealous of them-bottom line. They took a shit peice of useless desert in the hostile Middle East and for 60 plus years have made so many advances there in technology, medicine, education and even their military (though the US helped fund that) etc......In 60 years their country (or the country they occupied) is top rate in so many ways-compare it to any of the barbaric and backward third world "civilizations" that have existed in that region for centuries. I am certain that if they had to any DCUMer would Choose to live in Israel over Syria or Iraq. Sort of like comparing Chevy Chase proper to Camden NJ.

Did your mom tell you the other kids picked on you because you were so smart? She was lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There would have been no "good" place for an Israel since the whole idea is repulsive because it is so fascist.
Jewish people unfortunately have made enemies where ever they have gone. The US, Canada, and Britain are the only places they are safe, perhaps because these are large countries with big economies and Christians. Don't know, but no one in the US, Canada, or Britain is willing to carve out part of the country to give away. The Europeans I know that support Israel, do so because they want to keep Jews out of Europe.

Absolutely! They are as bad as all those women who make guys rape them.

I'm not in favor of Israel's policies either, but how do you get from there to describing antisemitism as "Jews have made enemies"?

The Jews are hated because they are mostly very sucessfull-people are jealous of them-bottom line. They took a shit peice of useless desert in the hostile Middle East and for 60 plus years have made so many advances there in technology, medicine, education and even their military (though the US helped fund that) etc......In 60 years their country (or the country they occupied) is top rate in so many ways-compare it to any of the barbaric and backward third world "civilizations" that have existed in that region for centuries. I am certain that if they had to any DCUMer would Choose to live in Israel over Syria or Iraq. Sort of like comparing Chevy Chase proper to Camden NJ.

Did your mom tell you the other kids picked on you because you were so smart? She was lying.

So much...anger.

[Anonymous]

Jeff, theses posts are seriously offensive. I can't imagine you being proud of what some of these threads have become. Not is there a line between anti-semitism and anti-Israel.