Israel disgusts me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I lived in Jerusalem when my husband worked for medicine de monde. I saw with my own eyes Israeli-Arabs ie Palestinians, getting spit on by a group of settlers for no reason. On my first full day mind you!

Israeli Arabs are treated like second class citizens with more property taxes and they don't have automatic Israeli citizenship either- not like someone newly arrived from say Russia! We were warned by Israelis to stay away from Ethiopian jews as well as Arabs.

Unfortunately, I found it to be a segregated and racist country even among the Israelis themselves. Very sad considering it's supposed to be the only 'democracy' in the middle east and so forward. That's why someone like Desmond Tutu, who understands apartheid better than most, is against what the Israeli government is doing. Very tragic what is happening to the people of Gaza. Even more so that the international community isn't as outraged as much as they should be.

Who exactly in the "international community isn't as outraged as much as they should be"? Leaving aside the U.S., it seems like every international entity, from the U.N. on down has been, and continues to be, very critical of Israel. And virtually every European country (besides Germany) is solidly against Israel. It's just that Israel doesn't seem to care about this too much--but it probably doesn't have a choice, as it views these as existential matters.

So you are trying to justify Israel's behavior?

I simply don't know the facts about the passport matters regarding Palestinians or the extent to which Israeli Arab citizenship is not, actually, full citizenship. But as for Israel's fight against Hamas, I think that from Israel's standpoint, it is doing what it needs to do. And unfortunately for Hamas, Israel is achieving its objectives.

You don't understand?? Or don't care to understand? ?
Israel obviously treats some of their own citizens second class solely based on the fact they are ARABS Christian or Muslim it doesn't matter! Its an apartheid state period. So of course they hold no regard for any person man, woman or child of Gaza! And will continue to destroy them and any livelihood. So far have n included bombing churches, schools, mosques, hospitals, a zoo (seriously!?), schools and residential homes because of hamas rockets- whom former mayor Bloomberg of ny, after visiting, said pose no thread.
Are you understanding things better now??

They seem to be using more targeted strikes now, after Hamas broke the latest cease fire. (Source: NY Times.)

I'm sure because the IDF has been so honest about 'targeted strikes thus far!
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[Anonymous]

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I lived in Jerusalem when my husband worked for medicine de monde. I saw with my own eyes Israeli-Arabs ie Palestinians, getting spit on by a group of settlers for no reason. On my first full day mind you!

Israeli Arabs are treated like second class citizens with more property taxes and they don't have automatic Israeli citizenship either- not like someone newly arrived from say Russia! We were warned by Israelis to stay away from Ethiopian jews as well as Arabs.

Unfortunately, I found it to be a segregated and racist country even among the Israelis themselves. Very sad considering it's supposed to be the only 'democracy' in the middle east and so forward. That's why someone like Desmond Tutu, who understands apartheid better than most, is against what the Israeli government is doing. Very tragic what is happening to the people of Gaza. Even more so that the international community isn't as outraged as much as they should be.


Who exactly in the "international community isn't as outraged as much as they should be"? Leaving aside the U.S., it seems like every international entity, from the U.N. on down has been, and continues to be, very critical of Israel. And virtually every European country (besides Germany) is solidly against Israel. It's just that Israel doesn't seem to care about this too much--but it probably doesn't have a choice, as it views these as existential matters.


So you are trying to justify Israel's behavior?


I simply don't know the facts about the passport matters regarding Palestinians or the extent to which Israeli Arab citizenship is not, actually, full citizenship. But as for Israel's fight against Hamas, I think that from Israel's standpoint, it is doing what it needs to do. And unfortunately for Hamas, Israel is achieving its objectives.


You don't understand?? Or don't care to understand? ?
Israel obviously treats some of their own citizens second class solely based on the fact they are ARABS Christian or Muslim it doesn't matter! Its an apartheid state period. So of course they hold no regard for any person man, woman or child of Gaza! And will continue to destroy them and any livelihood. So far have n included bombing churches, schools, mosques, hospitals, a zoo (seriously!?), schools and residential homes because of hamas rockets- whom former mayor Bloomberg of ny, after visiting, said pose no thread.
Are you understanding things better now??


They seem to be using more targeted strikes now, after Hamas broke the latest cease fire. (Source: NY Times.)

Yep heard that one before.

[Anonymous]

Hamas just executed 17 'informants'. I wonder what their due process is like,,,

[Anonymous]

I think it was 18, actually.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas just executed 17 'informants'. I wonder what their due process is like,,,

Hard to know for a country that does not have habeas corpus...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamas just executed 17 'informants'. I wonder what their due process is like,,,

It's funny because I had to look twice to be sure you weren't talking about the IDF.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas just executed 17 'informants'. I wonder what their due process is like,,,

It's funny because I had to look twice to be sure you weren't talking about the IDF.

Hard to see what's funny about these executions.

[Anonymous]

The US has laws that provide for capital punishment for treason.

[Anonymous]

The international community should condemn these executions. Sad--and telling--that people see it as par for the course.

[Anonymous]

I think it would be terrifying to live under hamas

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Anonymous wrote:The US has laws that provide for capital punishment for treason.

We also have due process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it would be terrifying to live under hamas

Indeed. Always with the rockets and tunnels.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are debating merits of op eds? Do you know how many awful op eds are written in mainstream media (not just Arab media) against Israel? Not to mention the horrendous rhetoric for Arab leaders. I really don't see how an op ed (one person's opinion!) is cause for concern. Someone wrote asinine, so what. Terrible rhetoric comes daily from the Arab and European media and we don't say a peep.

We don't provide Arab governments $3+ billion a year or go on endlessly about having shared values with them. Any time that you want to start treating Israel the way Arab countries are treated, just let us know.

Actually, we do provide Arab countries military aid, including Qatar, who is funding Hamas.

Yes, pointing out something that is irrelevant to what I said is always a good tactic. "We don't provide Arab governments $3+ billion a year or go on endlessly about having shared values with them."

Again, anytime that you think Israel should be treated just like Arab countries, let us know.

Is that what we're giving Israel... over 3 Billion Dollars a year?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US has laws that provide for capital punishment for treason.

We also have due process.

unless you're sent to Guantanamo or killed in a targeted drone strike.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You are debating merits of op eds? Do you know how many awful op eds are written in mainstream media (not just Arab media) against Israel? Not to mention the horrendous rhetoric for Arab leaders. I really don't see how an op ed (one person's opinion!) is cause for concern. Someone wrote asinine, so what. Terrible rhetoric comes daily from the Arab and European media and we don't say a peep.

We don't provide Arab governments $3+ billion a year or go on endlessly about having shared values with them. Any time that you want to start treating Israel the way Arab countries are treated, just let us know.

Actually, we do provide Arab countries military aid, including Qatar, who is funding Hamas.

Yes, pointing out something that is irrelevant to what I said is always a good tactic. "We don't provide Arab governments $3+ billion a year or go on endlessly about having shared values with them."

Again, anytime that you think Israel should be treated just like Arab countries, let us know.

Is that what we're giving Israel... over 3 Billion Dollars a year?