Lerner takes the FIFTH

[takoma]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2013/05/31/why-this-scandal-is-different/?mod=WSJBlog

This is a must read if you want to understand why this IRS scandal is important.

peggy Noonan has no credibility when it comes to scandals. She absolved Reagan over Iran contra.

This is much bigger than previous scandals, because the previous ones were directed at specific people the administration was trying to screw, whereas this one is a scatter-shot inconveniencing of little folks just like you and me who are trying to take advantage of the Citizens United decision in order to spend tax exempt money on political ads.

At least I think that's what she is saying.

[Anonymous]

Noonan spends so much time trying to mold and shape ideas in the hope of finding a poignant phrase which will resonate that she does not pay enough attention to fact.

It is a marvelous quality in a hired speechwriter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The one thing that all Tea Party organizations have in common is a belief in smaller government and fewer taxes. That is their purpose and their issue.

Clearly, the IRS has employees who don't want to limit tax revenue--or their salaries.

Clearly?

Sounds like some Tea Party crack-party non sequitur to me.

Laugh away. From recent news reports, it would seem that they were looking for ways to bankroll their "dancing" videos, "conferences," and "retreats."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The one thing that all Tea Party organizations have in common is a belief in smaller government and fewer taxes. That is their purpose and their issue.

Clearly, the IRS has employees who don't want to limit tax revenue--or their salaries.

Clearly?

Sounds like some Tea Party crack-party non sequitur to me.

Laugh away. From recent news reports, it would seem that they were looking for ways to bankroll their "dancing" videos, "conferences," and "retreats."

Are you under the impression that they are budgeted on a commission of some sort?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The one thing that all Tea Party organizations have in common is a belief in smaller government and fewer taxes. That is their purpose and their issue.

Clearly, the IRS has employees who don't want to limit tax revenue--or their salaries.

Clearly?

Sounds like some Tea Party crack-party non sequitur to me.

Laugh away. From recent news reports, it would seem that they were looking for ways to bankroll their "dancing" videos, "conferences," and "retreats."

Are you under the impression that they are budgeted on a commission of some sort?

Of course not. Nevertheless, I believe taxes paid on hard-earned income were used, don't you? Given the long-armed reach and power of the IRS, I think it's despicable behavior all around. Those in IRS leadership positions should be doing everything possible to ensure that tax money is used appropriately and that no company or individual is selected for specific scrutiny unfairly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The one thing that all Tea Party organizations have in common is a belief in smaller government and fewer taxes. That is their purpose and their issue.

Clearly, the IRS has employees who don't want to limit tax revenue--or their salaries.

Clearly?

Sounds like some Tea Party crack-party non sequitur to me.

Laugh away. From recent news reports, it would seem that they were looking for ways to bankroll their "dancing" videos, "conferences," and "retreats."

Are you under the impression that they are budgeted on a commission of some sort?

Of course not. Nevertheless, I believe taxes paid on hard-earned income were used, don't you? Given the long-armed reach and power of the IRS, I think it's despicable behavior all around. Those in IRS leadership positions should be doing everything possible to ensure that tax money is used appropriately and that no company or individual is selected for specific scrutiny unfairly.

Oh come on. Every member of government has that exact same obligation. Any waste is equally bad.

But the earlier poster (you perhaps?) implied that their recent tax scandal was motivated by profit, which is really laughable, not only because they don't get to keep the money but because these tea party groups do not turn a profit. So they do not pay taxes.

[Anonymous]

How long will the dismissed Lois Lerner be collecting her full salary?

[Anonymous]

Indefinitely? How can we all get a "job" like hers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The one thing that all Tea Party organizations have in common is a belief in smaller government and fewer taxes. That is their purpose and their issue.

Clearly, the IRS has employees who don't want to limit tax revenue--or their salaries.

Clearly?

Sounds like some Tea Party crack-party non sequitur to me.

Laugh away. From recent news reports, it would seem that they were looking for ways to bankroll their "dancing" videos, "conferences," and "retreats."

Are you under the impression that they are budgeted on a commission of some sort?

Of course not. Nevertheless, I believe taxes paid on hard-earned income were used, don't you? Given the long-armed reach and power of the IRS, I think it's despicable behavior all around. Those in IRS leadership positions should be doing everything possible to ensu
re that tax money is used appropriately and that no company or individual is selected for specific scrutiny unfairly.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The one thing that all Tea Party organizations have in common is a belief in smaller government and fewer taxes. That is their purpose and their issue.

Clearly, the IRS has employees who don't want to limit tax revenue--or their salaries.

Clearly?

Sounds like some Tea Party crack-party non sequitur to me.

Laugh away. From recent news reports, it would seem that they were looking for ways to bankroll their "dancing" videos, "conferences," and "retreats."

Are you under the impression that they are budgeted on a commission of some sort?

Of course not. Nevertheless, I believe taxes paid on hard-earned income were used, don't you? Given the long-armed reach and power of the IRS, I think it's despicable behavior all around. Those in IRS leadership positions should be doing everything possible to ensure that tax money is used appropriately and that no company or individual is selected for specific scrutiny unfairly.

Oh come on. Every member of government has that exact same obligation. Any waste is equally bad.

But the earlier poster (you perhaps?) implied that their recent tax scandal was motivated by profit, which is really laughable, not only because they don't get to keep the money but because these tea party groups do not turn a profit. So they do not pay taxes.

The waste may be equally bad, but I don't think you can compare the impact of having the IRS breathing down your neck with other government agencies. Perhaps you feel more kindly towards that agency because you work for them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The one thing that all Tea Party organizations have in common is a belief in smaller government and fewer taxes. That is their purpose and their issue.

Clearly, the IRS has employees who don't want to limit tax revenue--or their salaries.

Clearly?

Sounds like some Tea Party crack-party non sequitur to me.

Laugh away. From recent news reports, it would seem that they were looking for ways to bankroll their "dancing" videos, "conferences," and "retreats."

Are you under the impression that they are budgeted on a commission of some sort?

Of course not. Nevertheless, I believe taxes paid on hard-earned income were used, don't you? Given the long-armed reach and power of the IRS, I think it's despicable behavior all around. Those in IRS leadership positions should be doing everything possible to ensure that tax money is used appropriately and that no company or individual is selected for specific scrutiny unfairly.

Oh come on. Every member of government has that exact same obligation. Any waste is equally bad.

But the earlier poster (you perhaps?) implied that their recent tax scandal was motivated by profit, which is really laughable, not only because they don't get to keep the money but because these tea party groups do not turn a profit. So they do not pay taxes.

The waste may be equally bad, but I don't think you can compare the impact of having the IRS breathing down your neck with other government agencies. Perhaps you feel more kindly towards that agency because you work for them?

Breathing down your neck??? All these groups had to do was to file as 527's. It's the same tax free status. The only difference is that they can't hide their donors. Does anyone think it's a good idea to hide who is bankrolling political groups?

[Anonymous]

Breathing down your neck??? All these groups had to do was to file as 527's. It's the same tax free status. The only difference is that they can't hide their donors. Does anyone think it's a good idea to hide who is bankrolling political groups?

Why don't all the organizations become 527"s. Like Planned Parenthood, Sierra Club, etc.

[Anonymous]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323844804578529713576219412.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

Noonan piece. Last paragraph is most interesting. Nixon failed in his attempt to use the IRS because the IRS said NO! Boy have times changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Breathing down your neck??? All these groups had to do was to file as 527's. It's the same tax free status. The only difference is that they can't hide their donors. Does anyone think it's a good idea to hide who is bankrolling political groups?

Why don't all the organizations become 527"s. Like Planned Parenthood, Sierra Club, etc.

Because the primary purpose of the Sierra club is "To explore, enjoy, and protect the wild places of the earth; To practice and promote the responsible use of the earth's ecosystems and resources; To educate and enlist humanity to protect and restore the quality of the natural and human environment; and to use all lawful means to carry out these objectives."

The many Republicans who are Sierra Club members, who like to hunt and fish and want our wildlife there for future generations, can tell you that this is not a political action committee. In fact in my family it is the Republicans who are members.

[Anonymous]

Nevertheless, the Sierra Club uses lots of money to support political candidates.