Why is it ok to bash Catholics?

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ how can you say that it's inclusive where, in one of the fundamental events of the religion, breaking of bread during mass, non Catholics are specifically excluded? I've been at masses where the priest announces that non-Catholics should not come forward to eat at out table. So rude.

This is printed in every Missal you find in every Catholic Church:

"We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ’s prayer for us ‘that they may all be one’ (John 17:21).

"Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law. . . .

I think that this is very clearly and respectfully asking our non-Catholic brothers and sisters to abstain from taking the Eucharist until such time as we are all again united in faith, life and worship. I see nothing rude at all in this, and would find it disrespectful if a non-Catholic decided of their own accord to take the Eucharist in a Catholic Church without first discussing it with the priest.

Yes, I know that they have "reasons" and that they don't say it in a mean voice. It's still rude.

Is it also rude that Christians are not allowed to just walk into a temple and demand to be Bar Mitzvahed? Communion is a sacrament that you must learn and prepare for. It is not a simple breaking of bread. Besides, why do you care? It doesn't sound like you want to be a part of it anyway. You are just looking for something to criticize.

Why are you so sensitive to the criticism? This is my opinion as someone born and raised Catholic. You have given your explanations as to why the Church doesn't want non Catholics to partake. Some people will still find it rude regardless of the reasons.

You have your opinion, fine. You haven't changed mine.

I am not looking to change your mind, I don't give a fig what you think. It just seems that you don't really understand the sacrament of Communion very well if you think that it is a communal meal of bread and wine. Assuming you even are Catholic, you must have skipped those CCD classes.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ how can you say that it's inclusive where, in one of the fundamental events of the religion, breaking of bread during mass, non Catholics are specifically excluded? I've been at masses where the priest announces that non-Catholics should not come forward to eat at out table. So rude.

This is printed in every Missal you find in every Catholic Church:

"We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ’s prayer for us ‘that they may all be one’ (John 17:21).

"Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law. . . .

I think that this is very clearly and respectfully asking our non-Catholic brothers and sisters to abstain from taking the Eucharist until such time as we are all again united in faith, life and worship. I see nothing rude at all in this, and would find it disrespectful if a non-Catholic decided of their own accord to take the Eucharist in a Catholic Church without first discussing it with the priest.

Yes, I know that they have "reasons" and that they don't say it in a mean voice. It's still rude.

Is it also rude that Christians are not allowed to just walk into a temple and demand to be Bar Mitzvahed? Communion is a sacrament that you must learn and prepare for. It is not a simple breaking of bread. Besides, why do you care? It doesn't sound like you want to be a part of it anyway. You are just looking for something to criticize.

Why are you so sensitive to the criticism? This is my opinion as someone born and raised Catholic. You have given your explanations as to why the Church doesn't want non Catholics to partake. Some people will still find it rude regardless of the reasons.

You have your opinion, fine. You haven't changed mine.

I am not looking to change your mind, I don't give a fig what you think. It just seems that you don't really understand the sacrament of Communion very well if you think that it is a communal meal of bread and wine. Assuming you even are Catholic, you must have skipped those CCD classes.

Communion is a communal meal (it's even in the word "Communion" - coming together) that Catholics have turned into a sacrament open only to Catholics in good standing with the church.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ how can you say that it's inclusive where, in one of the fundamental events of the religion, breaking of bread during mass, non Catholics are specifically excluded? I've been at masses where the priest announces that non-Catholics should not come forward to eat at out table. So rude.

This is printed in every Missal you find in every Catholic Church:

"We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ’s prayer for us ‘that they may all be one’ (John 17:21).

"Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law. . . .

I think that this is very clearly and respectfully asking our non-Catholic brothers and sisters to abstain from taking the Eucharist until such time as we are all again united in faith, life and worship. I see nothing rude at all in this, and would find it disrespectful if a non-Catholic decided of their own accord to take the Eucharist in a Catholic Church without first discussing it with the priest.

Yes, I know that they have "reasons" and that they don't say it in a mean voice. It's still rude.

I spent 13 years in Catholic school, including catechism DAILY.

Is it also rude that Christians are not allowed to just walk into a temple and demand to be Bar Mitzvahed? Communion is a sacrament that you must learn and prepare for. It is not a simple breaking of bread. Besides, why do you care? It doesn't sound like you want to be a part of it anyway. You are just looking for something to criticize.

Why are you so sensitive to the criticism? This is my opinion as someone born and raised Catholic. You have given your explanations as to why the Church doesn't want non Catholics to partake. Some people will still find it rude regardless of the reasons.

You have your opinion, fine. You haven't changed mine.

I am not looking to change your mind, I don't give a fig what you think. It just seems that you don't really understand the sacrament of Communion very well if you think that it is a communal meal of bread and wine. Assuming you even are Catholic, you must have skipped those CCD classes.

I spent 13 years in Catholic school, including catechism DAILY. If you don't give a fig, why are you answering me?

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus told the Apostles to "do this in memory of me" at the Last Supper. You are reenacting a meal, the Last Supper. You are calling the attendees to your table to partake of food and drink (now the body and blood). Except you tell some of your guests, "Except if you are not a Catholic, you aren't invited to partake".

Sorry but to me it's rude and others have expressed the same feeling.

For the hundredth time, it is not a meal, it is a sacrament! Get your facts straight!

+This. And if you are not Catholic, you do not understand this. To you, it is just a meal. To us, it is not. And it is fair to criticize, where that criticism is informed. In the case of the PP who finds it rude that non-Catholic Christians are not encouraged to participate in the Eucharist, I would say her criticism is uninformed and she would do well to put away her pride and approach the subject prayerfully and with an open heart and she will find the understanding she seeks. I have attempted above to carry out a corporal work of mercy to explain the "reasons" non-Catholic Christians should not take communion, and been brushed off with the Lebowskian "well, that's like your opinon, man!" But you see, that is the problem today, we all think that all opinions are equally valid and that we are entitled to them. In point of fact, opinions can be and are often wrong, that's why they are opinons. Now, if you have a solid argument it is rude to discourage non-Catholic Christians from taking the Eucharist, I am all ears.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ how can you say that it's inclusive where, in one of the fundamental events of the religion, breaking of bread during mass, non Catholics are specifically excluded? I've been at masses where the priest announces that non-Catholics should not come forward to eat at out table. So rude.

This is printed in every Missal you find in every Catholic Church:

"We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ’s prayer for us ‘that they may all be one’ (John 17:21).

"Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law. . . .

I think that this is very clearly and respectfully asking our non-Catholic brothers and sisters to abstain from taking the Eucharist until such time as we are all again united in faith, life and worship. I see nothing rude at all in this, and would find it disrespectful if a non-Catholic decided of their own accord to take the Eucharist in a Catholic Church without first discussing it with the priest.

Yes, I know that they have "reasons" and that they don't say it in a mean voice. It's still rude.

I spent 13 years in Catholic school, including catechism DAILY.

Is it also rude that Christians are not allowed to just walk into a temple and demand to be Bar Mitzvahed? Communion is a sacrament that you must learn and prepare for. It is not a simple breaking of bread. Besides, why do you care? It doesn't sound like you want to be a part of it anyway. You are just looking for something to criticize.

Why are you so sensitive to the criticism? This is my opinion as someone born and raised Catholic. You have given your explanations as to why the Church doesn't want non Catholics to partake. Some people will still find it rude regardless of the reasons.

You have your opinion, fine. You haven't changed mine.

I am not looking to change your mind, I don't give a fig what you think. It just seems that you don't really understand the sacrament of Communion very well if you think that it is a communal meal of bread and wine. Assuming you even are Catholic, you must have skipped those CCD classes.

I spent 13 years in Catholic school, including catechism DAILY. If you don't give a fig, why are you answering me?

Perhaps Catholic pp gives a fig about others reading here who could be influenced to believe the "proper" Catholic sacrament of communion.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus told the Apostles to "do this in memory of me" at the Last Supper. You are reenacting a meal, the Last Supper. You are calling the attendees to your table to partake of food and drink (now the body and blood). Except you tell some of your guests, "Except if you are not a Catholic, you aren't invited to partake".

Sorry but to me it's rude and others have expressed the same feeling.

For the hundredth time, it is not a meal, it is a sacrament! Get your facts straight!

+This. And if you are not Catholic, you do not understand this. To you, it is just a meal. To us, it is not. And it is fair to criticize, where that criticism is informed. In the case of the PP who finds it rude that non-Catholic Christians are not encouraged to participate in the Eucharist, I would say her criticism is uninformed and she would do well to put away her pride and approach the subject prayerfully and with an open heart and she will find the understanding she seeks. I have attempted above to carry out a corporal work of mercy to explain the "reasons" non-Catholic Christians should not take communion, and been brushed off with the Lebowskian "well, that's like your opinon, man!" But you see, that is the problem today, we all think that all opinions are equally valid and that we are entitled to them. In point of fact, opinions can be and are often wrong, that's why they are opinons. Now, if you have a solid argument it is rude to discourage non-Catholic Christians from taking the Eucharist, I am all ears.

+100. It will fall on deaf ears I'm sure, but thanks for trying to set some people straight on this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ how can you say that it's inclusive where, in one of the fundamental events of the religion, breaking of bread during mass, non Catholics are specifically excluded? I've been at masses where the priest announces that non-Catholics should not come forward to eat at out table. So rude.

This is printed in every Missal you find in every Catholic Church:

"We welcome our fellow Christians to this celebration of the Eucharist as our brothers and sisters. We pray that our common baptism and the action of the Holy Spirit in this Eucharist will draw us closer to one another and begin to dispel the sad divisions which separate us. We pray that these will lessen and finally disappear, in keeping with Christ’s prayer for us ‘that they may all be one’ (John 17:21).

"Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law. . . .

I think that this is very clearly and respectfully asking our non-Catholic brothers and sisters to abstain from taking the Eucharist until such time as we are all again united in faith, life and worship. I see nothing rude at all in this, and would find it disrespectful if a non-Catholic decided of their own accord to take the Eucharist in a Catholic Church without first discussing it with the priest.

Yes, I know that they have "reasons" and that they don't say it in a mean voice. It's still rude.

I spent 13 years in Catholic school, including catechism DAILY.

Is it also rude that Christians are not allowed to just walk into a temple and demand to be Bar Mitzvahed? Communion is a sacrament that you must learn and prepare for. It is not a simple breaking of bread. Besides, why do you care? It doesn't sound like you want to be a part of it anyway. You are just looking for something to criticize.

Why are you so sensitive to the criticism? This is my opinion as someone born and raised Catholic. You have given your explanations as to why the Church doesn't want non Catholics to partake. Some people will still find it rude regardless of the reasons.

You have your opinion, fine. You haven't changed mine.

I am not looking to change your mind, I don't give a fig what you think. It just seems that you don't really understand the sacrament of Communion very well if you think that it is a communal meal of bread and wine. Assuming you even are Catholic, you must have skipped those CCD classes.

I spent 13 years in Catholic school, including catechism DAILY. If you don't give a fig, why are you answering me?

Because you are spreading misinformation about a holy sacrament that I care deeply about.

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Having a different opinion and perception of something is not really "misinformation". The facts as you and other posters have stated are correct - it's a sacrament. The opinion and perception that excluding non Catholics from Communion comes across as rude is subjective. I understand that it stings to be accused of being rude and exclusionary. Nonetheless, that is how I feel about this stance and I know I am not alone in this feeling, based on what others have said to me even during Church ceremonies, such as full Catholic mass weddings. The Church can have all the reasons it cites and more. Being told in a house of God not to come to the table will always be perceived by some as rude.

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Anonymous wrote:Having a different opinion and perception of something is not really "misinformation". The facts as you and other posters have stated are correct - it's a sacrament. The opinion and perception that excluding non Catholics from Communion comes across as rude is subjective. I understand that it stings to be accused of being rude and exclusionary. Nonetheless, that is how I feel about this stance and I know I am not alone in this feeling, based on what others have said to me even during Church ceremonies, such as full Catholic mass weddings. The Church can have all the reasons it cites and more. Being told in a house of God not to come to the table will always be perceived by some as rude.

+1 well stated

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Anonymous wrote:Having a different opinion and perception of something is not really "misinformation". The facts as you and other posters have stated are correct - it's a sacrament. The opinion and perception that excluding non Catholics from Communion comes across as rude is subjective. I understand that it stings to be accused of being rude and exclusionary. Nonetheless, that is how I feel about this stance and I know I am not alone in this feeling, based on what others have said to me even during Church ceremonies, such as full Catholic mass weddings. The Church can have all the reasons it cites and more. Being told in a house of God not to come to the table will always be perceived by some as rude.

Most major religions have some sort of requirements and/or some type of educational process that one must fulfill in order to enjoy the full privileges of the faith (confirmation, communion, a Bar/Bat Mitzvah, etc.). But, according to you, they should all just drop those things and let anyone off the street come in and have the same privileges as those who have worked and studied for years to have them and to fully understand and appreciate the principles and meaning behind them. And, if they don't do so, they are all just "rude," right? Yeah, makes total sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having a different opinion and perception of something is not really "misinformation". The facts as you and other posters have stated are correct - it's a sacrament. The opinion and perception that excluding non Catholics from Communion comes across as rude is subjective. I understand that it stings to be accused of being rude and exclusionary. Nonetheless, that is how I feel about this stance and I know I am not alone in this feeling, based on what others have said to me even during Church ceremonies, such as full Catholic mass weddings. The Church can have all the reasons it cites and more. Being told in a house of God not to come to the table will always be perceived by some as rude.

Most major religions have some sort of requirements and/or some type of educational process that one must fulfill in order to enjoy the full privileges of the faith (confirmation, communion, a Bar/Bat Mitzvah, etc.). But, according to you, they should all just drop those things and let anyone off the street come in and have the same privileges as those who have worked and studied for years to have them and to fully understand and appreciate the principles and meaning behind them. And, if they don't do so, they are all just "rude," right? Yeah, makes total sense.

Episcopalians have an educational process but in most of their churches, all are welcomed at the communion table. Is there something in sabbath services non bar/bat mitzvah'ed Jews can't partake in?

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Bar Mitzvah is not a sacrament. Jews don't have "sacraments".

And I've never been excluded from a Passover dinner. Also not a sacrament, true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bar Mitzvah is not a sacrament. Jews don't have "sacraments".

And I've never been excluded from a Passover dinner. Also not a sacrament, true.

Never said it was, work on your reading comprehension. But, it is a rite of passage for which certain requirements must be met. Not everyone from off the street can come in and read from the Torah in front of the congregation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having a different opinion and perception of something is not really "misinformation". The facts as you and other posters have stated are correct - it's a sacrament. The opinion and perception that excluding non Catholics from Communion comes across as rude is subjective. I understand that it stings to be accused of being rude and exclusionary. Nonetheless, that is how I feel about this stance and I know I am not alone in this feeling, based on what others have said to me even during Church ceremonies, such as full Catholic mass weddings. The Church can have all the reasons it cites and more. Being told in a house of God not to come to the table will always be perceived by some as rude.

Most major religions have some sort of requirements and/or some type of educational process that one must fulfill in order to enjoy the full privileges of the faith (confirmation, communion, a Bar/Bat Mitzvah, etc.). But, according to you, they should all just drop those things and let anyone off the street come in and have the same privileges as those who have worked and studied for years to have them and to fully understand and appreciate the principles and meaning behind them. And, if they don't do so, they are all just "rude," right? Yeah, makes total sense.

Episcopalians have an educational process but in most of their churches, all are welcomed at the communion table. Is there something in sabbath services non bar/bat mitzvah'ed Jews can't partake in?

So go to an Episcopalian serivce and take their Communion. But, I am sure it won't be long until you find something wrong with them too.

[Anonymous]

Ah, yes Episcopalians - didn't they come from a Church that started because some king in England wanted a divorce?