Who appeals to INDEPENDENTS for president right now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Beshar of Ky
Rubio
Kennedy from Louisiana
Shapiro from Penn (but he’s a Jew that served in Israel’s army decades ago so… doubt he’ll win)

Rubio looks like he desperately wants out of the current administration, but feels stuck because otherwise he has no shot at the presidency. I would be willing to hear him out. I don't know enough about Kennedy in Louisiana. I think you are right about Shapiro. Not sure about Beshar from KY. I hear his name a lot but haven't dug into learn more about him.

That's Rubio's normal face/look. He is complicit in everything Donald is doing. Rubio also desperately wants Donald to attack and invade Cuba and is okay with strangling and starving the nation of Cuba.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to win in 2028, and that means being pragmatic.

Nobody from inside this insanely corrupt administration, no matter how uncomfortable they look sitting on the sofa in the Oval.

Nobody who has provided cover for this administration or stayed silent in the face of the corruption - which rules out pretty much every establishment Republican.

If this nation wouldn't elect Hillary or Kamala, it's not electing AOC either. We need a pragmatic candidate who is not deeply in bed with AIPAC.

Says the fruitcake who puts two corporate owned politicians in the same bucket as AOC. You have a lot to learn about politics, my friend. AOC could not be more different politically than Harris or Clinton.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to win in 2028, and that means being pragmatic.

Nobody from inside this insanely corrupt administration, no matter how uncomfortable they look sitting on the sofa in the Oval.

Nobody who has provided cover for this administration or stayed silent in the face of the corruption - which rules out pretty much every establishment Republican.

If this nation wouldn't elect Hillary or Kamala, it's not electing AOC either. We need a pragmatic candidate who is not deeply in bed with AIPAC.

Says the fruitcake who puts two corporate owned politicians in the same bucket as AOC. You have a lot to learn about politics, my friend. AOC could not be more different politically than Harris or Clinton.

I'm not a fruitcake, poster. I'm a nearly 60 year old American woman who has a PoliSci degree, a law degree, and decades of experience closely following and working in politics. I doubt very much you know more about how our political system works than I do. And you seem to be massively ignorant of the misogyny that prevails in our society and political system, even though it stares you in the face every single day in the news cycle. The USA is not ready to elect a woman, sad as that is. She could be so far out of the political establishment as to be from Venus, and our sick misogynistic patriarchal strangleheld society WOULD NOT ELECT HER.

Now I'm sure you can imagine what I'm wishing for you and your nastiness right now. Go dial up some porn and do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to win in 2028, and that means being pragmatic.

Nobody from inside this insanely corrupt administration, no matter how uncomfortable they look sitting on the sofa in the Oval.

Nobody who has provided cover for this administration or stayed silent in the face of the corruption - which rules out pretty much every establishment Republican.

If this nation wouldn't elect Hillary or Kamala, it's not electing AOC either. We need a pragmatic candidate who is not deeply in bed with AIPAC.

Says the fruitcake who puts two corporate owned politicians in the same bucket as AOC. You have a lot to learn about politics, my friend. AOC could not be more different politically than Harris or Clinton.

I'm not a fruitcake, poster. I'm a nearly 60 year old American woman who has a PoliSci degree, a law degree, and decades of experience closely following and working in politics. I doubt very much you know more about how our political system works than I do. And you seem to be massively ignorant of the misogyny that prevails in our society and political system, even though it stares you in the face every single day in the news cycle. The USA is not ready to elect a woman, sad as that is. She could be so far out of the political establishment as to be from Venus, and our sick misogynistic patriarchal strangleheld society WOULD NOT ELECT HER.

Now I'm sure you can imagine what I'm wishing for you and your nastiness right now. Go dial up some porn and do it.

Any one with a PS degree who doesn't understand the extreme political differences between AOC and Harris/Clinton needs to forfeit their PS degree. Try harder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to win in 2028, and that means being pragmatic.

Nobody from inside this insanely corrupt administration, no matter how uncomfortable they look sitting on the sofa in the Oval.

Nobody who has provided cover for this administration or stayed silent in the face of the corruption - which rules out pretty much every establishment Republican.

If this nation wouldn't elect Hillary or Kamala, it's not electing AOC either. We need a pragmatic candidate who is not deeply in bed with AIPAC.

Says the fruitcake who puts two corporate owned politicians in the same bucket as AOC. You have a lot to learn about politics, my friend. AOC could not be more different politically than Harris or Clinton.

I'm not a fruitcake, poster. I'm a nearly 60 year old American woman who has a PoliSci degree, a law degree, and decades of experience closely following and working in politics. I doubt very much you know more about how our political system works than I do. And you seem to be massively ignorant of the misogyny that prevails in our society and political system, even though it stares you in the face every single day in the news cycle. The USA is not ready to elect a woman, sad as that is. She could be so far out of the political establishment as to be from Venus, and our sick misogynistic patriarchal strangleheld society WOULD NOT ELECT HER.

Now I'm sure you can imagine what I'm wishing for you and your nastiness right now. Go dial up some porn and do it.

Any one with a PS degree who doesn't understand the extreme political differences between AOC and Harris/Clinton needs to forfeit their PS degree. Try harder.

I understand all about their political differences you foolish ijit. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THEY ALL HAVE VAGINAS! Wake up and get into reality you moronic child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Beshar of Ky
Rubio
Kennedy from Louisiana
Shapiro from Penn (but he’s a Jew that served in Israel’s army decades ago so… doubt he’ll win)

Rubio looks like he desperately wants out of the current administration, but feels stuck because otherwise he has no shot at the presidency. I would be willing to hear him out. I don't know enough about Kennedy in Louisiana. I think you are right about Shapiro. Not sure about Beshar from KY. I hear his name a lot but haven't dug into learn more about him.

That's Rubio's normal face/look. He is complicit in everything Donald is doing. Rubio also desperately wants Donald to attack and invade Cuba and is okay with strangling and starving the nation of Cuba.

Rubio wasn’t a fan of Trump in 2016. He changed tune. I haven’t decided if it’s because republicans stick together/ Trump promised stuff/ Trump has Epstein stuff on Rubio/ scared of the rabid fan base/ or a keep an eye on Trump in hopes to have better control over the damage Trump will do

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to win in 2028, and that means being pragmatic.

Nobody from inside this insanely corrupt administration, no matter how uncomfortable they look sitting on the sofa in the Oval.

Nobody who has provided cover for this administration or stayed silent in the face of the corruption - which rules out pretty much every establishment Republican.

If this nation wouldn't elect Hillary or Kamala, it's not electing AOC either. We need a pragmatic candidate who is not deeply in bed with AIPAC.

Says the fruitcake who puts two corporate owned politicians in the same bucket as AOC. You have a lot to learn about politics, my friend. AOC could not be more different politically than Harris or Clinton.

I'm not a fruitcake, poster. I'm a nearly 60 year old American woman who has a PoliSci degree, a law degree, and decades of experience closely following and working in politics. I doubt very much you know more about how our political system works than I do. And you seem to be massively ignorant of the misogyny that prevails in our society and political system, even though it stares you in the face every single day in the news cycle. The USA is not ready to elect a woman, sad as that is. She could be so far out of the political establishment as to be from Venus, and our sick misogynistic patriarchal strangleheld society WOULD NOT ELECT HER.

Now I'm sure you can imagine what I'm wishing for you and your nastiness right now. Go dial up some porn and do it.

Any one with a PS degree who doesn't understand the extreme political differences between AOC and Harris/Clinton needs to forfeit their PS degree. Try harder.

I understand all about their political differences you foolish ijit. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THEY ALL HAVE VAGINAS! Wake up and get into reality you moronic child.

But you aren't smart enough to realize that one of those "vaginas", as your MAGA misogynistic brains call them, campaigned half as rigorously as Trump and still received more votes than Trump in 2016 in an election year when Trump had the advantage of being the opposition to the party who controlled The White House for 8 years! She still received MORE votes. How did your sexist brain not explode in 2016 after seeing these results!! The nerve of that woman receiving all those votes while running against a man!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A person with character…..? Intelligence? Curiosity? Kindness? A willingness to learn? Balanced temperament? Calm demeanor under pressure? A focus on unity?

Not petty?

Yes. But politics doesn't attract normal people these days. I am very occasionally around Members of Congress. It's a freak show. They are not like normal people. I can only imagine the depths of narcissism and sociopathy to get people like this to run for president. They are already not quite right in the head. We would do better just picking out a random human being from the garage or the accounting department. Politicians in 2026 are... peculiar.

Dp.

How is it a freak show?

I believe many/most leaders have some elevated level of narcissistic pathology, including the leaders we like. I see it in the private sector too. It’s weird.

It's true of anyone who gets to these "highest echelons" of their field. Politics, celebrity, sports. These people have unbelievable egos and that's how they persevere. It's F-d up really. So many of the people who are popular and venerated are just sh*t human beings.

[Anonymous]

Rubio is toast. Little Marco gets littler every day. Just look at his oversized Florsheim shoes. Trump is so good at humiliating men. It's a real skill. At this point, you'd have to think any man that associates with Trump has a humiliation fetish.

That includes Vance too. The very vocal Catholic convert who hates war. Trump made him the anti-Pope point man. And put him in charge of the war on Iran.

I'll give this to Trump. He will wreck any man that chooses to ride his tailcoat. Where do you think Speaker Mike Johnson is going to be four years from now? Will it be the Ford dealership in Shreveport, Louisiana or the Chevrolet dealership? Trump could probably make some calls to help Mike out.

It is baffling why anyone chooses to associate with Trump, whether a cabinet member or someone doing bizness. They all get destroyed.

[Anonymous]

Independent here who would vote for a Republican but not a Trump-associated R. That means Rubio, Vance, et al are out for me. Would have to be a Romney/Larry Hogan type and that profile could never win a primary.

So, for now, I’m stuck with the dems. I am open to Kelly, Beshear, Pritzker, even Talarico.

Not into Newsom, AOC, Harris but would take them over Vance if I must. Would prefer Bernie to all three of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to win in 2028, and that means being pragmatic.

Nobody from inside this insanely corrupt administration, no matter how uncomfortable they look sitting on the sofa in the Oval.

Nobody who has provided cover for this administration or stayed silent in the face of the corruption - which rules out pretty much every establishment Republican.

If this nation wouldn't elect Hillary or Kamala, it's not electing AOC either. We need a pragmatic candidate who is not deeply in bed with AIPAC.

Says the fruitcake who puts two corporate owned politicians in the same bucket as AOC. You have a lot to learn about politics, my friend. AOC could not be more different politically than Harris or Clinton.

I'm not a fruitcake, poster. I'm a nearly 60 year old American woman who has a PoliSci degree, a law degree, and decades of experience closely following and working in politics. I doubt very much you know more about how our political system works than I do. And you seem to be massively ignorant of the misogyny that prevails in our society and political system, even though it stares you in the face every single day in the news cycle. The USA is not ready to elect a woman, sad as that is. She could be so far out of the political establishment as to be from Venus, and our sick misogynistic patriarchal strangleheld society WOULD NOT ELECT HER.

Now I'm sure you can imagine what I'm wishing for you and your nastiness right now. Go dial up some porn and do it.

Any one with a PS degree who doesn't understand the extreme political differences between AOC and Harris/Clinton needs to forfeit their PS degree. Try harder.

I understand all about their political differences you foolish ijit. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THEY ALL HAVE VAGINAS! Wake up and get into reality you moronic child.

But you aren't smart enough to realize that one of those "vaginas", as your MAGA misogynistic brains call them, campaigned half as rigorously as Trump and still received more votes than Trump in 2016 in an election year when Trump had the advantage of being the opposition to the party who controlled The White House for 8 years! She still received MORE votes. How did your sexist brain not explode in 2016 after seeing these results!! The nerve of that woman receiving all those votes while running against a man!!

I'm as liberal and feminist as the day is long, while you are simply too stupid to grasp the concept of pragmatism in politics and the edge this country is teetering on and why we can't indulge pipe dreams like running AOC for president. GROW UP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The DNC needs to apologize first doing all it could do elect Trump before I ever vote for their candidate again.

I might vote for them. I agree they were a huge reason we have trump/MAGA. Any of them that say otherwise are not self aware.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to win in 2028, and that means being pragmatic.

Nobody from inside this insanely corrupt administration, no matter how uncomfortable they look sitting on the sofa in the Oval.

Nobody who has provided cover for this administration or stayed silent in the face of the corruption - which rules out pretty much every establishment Republican.

If this nation wouldn't elect Hillary or Kamala, it's not electing AOC either. We need a pragmatic candidate who is not deeply in bed with AIPAC.

Exactly!

This excuse is getting old and was not accurate to begin with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to win in 2028, and that means being pragmatic.

Nobody from inside this insanely corrupt administration, no matter how uncomfortable they look sitting on the sofa in the Oval.

Nobody who has provided cover for this administration or stayed silent in the face of the corruption - which rules out pretty much every establishment Republican.

If this nation wouldn't elect Hillary or Kamala, it's not electing AOC either. We need a pragmatic candidate who is not deeply in bed with AIPAC.

Says the fruitcake who puts two corporate owned politicians in the same bucket as AOC. You have a lot to learn about politics, my friend. AOC could not be more different politically than Harris or Clinton.

I'm not a fruitcake, poster. I'm a nearly 60 year old American woman who has a PoliSci degree, a law degree, and decades of experience closely following and working in politics. I doubt very much you know more about how our political system works than I do. And you seem to be massively ignorant of the misogyny that prevails in our society and political system, even though it stares you in the face every single day in the news cycle. The USA is not ready to elect a woman, sad as that is. She could be so far out of the political establishment as to be from Venus, and our sick misogynistic patriarchal strangleheld society WOULD NOT ELECT HER.

Now I'm sure you can imagine what I'm wishing for you and your nastiness right now. Go dial up some porn and do it.

Any one with a PS degree who doesn't understand the extreme political differences between AOC and Harris/Clinton needs to forfeit their PS degree. Try harder.

I understand all about their political differences you foolish ijit. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THEY ALL HAVE VAGINAS! Wake up and get into reality you moronic child.

But you aren't smart enough to realize that one of those "vaginas", as your MAGA misogynistic brains call them, campaigned half as rigorously as Trump and still received more votes than Trump in 2016 in an election year when Trump had the advantage of being the opposition to the party who controlled The White House for 8 years! She still received MORE votes. How did your sexist brain not explode in 2016 after seeing these results!! The nerve of that woman receiving all those votes while running against a man!!

I'm as liberal and feminist as the day is long, while you are simply too stupid to grasp the concept of pragmatism in politics and the edge this country is teetering on and why we can't indulge pipe dreams like running AOC for president. GROW UP.

Lol.... nice try but it's the money fueled corruption in politics that will continue to prevent the Bernie/AOC types from becoming major party nominees. If AOC sold her soul and integrity to super PACs, she would then become a serious threat in national politics. I'd much rather see reform to our political system than one of the few non-corrupt Congress members left sell-out to corruption in order to become a viable national candidate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to win in 2028, and that means being pragmatic.

Nobody from inside this insanely corrupt administration, no matter how uncomfortable they look sitting on the sofa in the Oval.

Nobody who has provided cover for this administration or stayed silent in the face of the corruption - which rules out pretty much every establishment Republican.

If this nation wouldn't elect Hillary or Kamala, it's not electing AOC either. We need a pragmatic candidate who is not deeply in bed with AIPAC.

Says the fruitcake who puts two corporate owned politicians in the same bucket as AOC. You have a lot to learn about politics, my friend. AOC could not be more different politically than Harris or Clinton.

I'm not a fruitcake, poster. I'm a nearly 60 year old American woman who has a PoliSci degree, a law degree, and decades of experience closely following and working in politics. I doubt very much you know more about how our political system works than I do. And you seem to be massively ignorant of the misogyny that prevails in our society and political system, even though it stares you in the face every single day in the news cycle. The USA is not ready to elect a woman, sad as that is. She could be so far out of the political establishment as to be from Venus, and our sick misogynistic patriarchal strangleheld society WOULD NOT ELECT HER.

Now I'm sure you can imagine what I'm wishing for you and your nastiness right now. Go dial up some porn and do it.

Any one with a PS degree who doesn't understand the extreme political differences between AOC and Harris/Clinton needs to forfeit their PS degree. Try harder.

I understand all about their political differences you foolish ijit. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THEY ALL HAVE VAGINAS! Wake up and get into reality you moronic child.

But you aren't smart enough to realize that one of those "vaginas", as your MAGA misogynistic brains call them, campaigned half as rigorously as Trump and still received more votes than Trump in 2016 in an election year when Trump had the advantage of being the opposition to the party who controlled The White House for 8 years! She still received MORE votes. How did your sexist brain not explode in 2016 after seeing these results!! The nerve of that woman receiving all those votes while running against a man!!

I'm as liberal and feminist as the day is long, while you are simply too stupid to grasp the concept of pragmatism in politics and the edge this country is teetering on and why we can't indulge pipe dreams like running AOC for president. GROW UP.

Lol.... nice try but it's the money fueled corruption in politics that will continue to prevent the Bernie/AOC types from becoming major party nominees. If AOC sold her soul and integrity to super PACs, she would then become a serious threat in national politics. I'd much rather see reform to our political system than one of the few non-corrupt Congress members left sell-out to corruption in order to become a viable national candidate.

Speaking of LOL, for someone who alleges to be politically astute, you clearly aren't paying attention to what is happening in Montana and Maine with regard to campaign finance reform.

You're an uninformed reactionay tantruming child and I'm done with your silly rantings. Buh bye!