How did CBK bag JFK jr?

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Anonymous wrote:I dispute the premise of this thread. She could have married a lot better than JFK Jr., even leaving aside that he wound up killing her and her sister. She had a great career and was still on the way up. Her social and professional circles would have been full of wealthy, connected men.

I don't think so. He was the biggest catch in America at that point in time. No one came close.

Yeah but coupling up with him came with all sorts of baggage and scrutiny she didn't want and couldn't handle.

She thought she could. She seemed like a pretty tough young woman. Not sure why she couldn't handle it, doesn't really jibe with her temperament (as recounted by others).

Has any woman married to Joe Kennedy or one of his descendants claimed to have had a happy marriage? Were any of the Kennedy men not serial cheaters and completely reckless with women's lives? Like, a single one of them? I think every woman who married a Kennedy ended up dead or miserable. Maybe Ethel was reasonably happy, but she became a widow relatively young and never sought remarriage, and Bobby seemed a little less horrible than the rest of them, though his affairs were still well known.

You think a woman who had to raise 11 children, with a husband who was largely absent, was happy?

Ethel seemed less miserable than the rest of the Kennedy wives. She didn't commit suicide, drink herself to oblivion or otherwise die early. That's my only claim here.

SHE HAD TWELVE C-SECTIONS. I don’t think that excuses her behavior or her crazy lack of parenting, but I can’t even imagine.

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Anonymous wrote:I dispute the premise of this thread. She could have married a lot better than JFK Jr., even leaving aside that he wound up killing her and her sister. She had a great career and was still on the way up. Her social and professional circles would have been full of wealthy, connected men.

I don't think so. He was the biggest catch in America at that point in time. No one came close.

Yeah but coupling up with him came with all sorts of baggage and scrutiny she didn't want and couldn't handle.

She thought she could. She seemed like a pretty tough young woman. Not sure why she couldn't handle it, doesn't really jibe with her temperament (as recounted by others).

Has any woman married to Joe Kennedy or one of his descendants claimed to have had a happy marriage? Were any of the Kennedy men not serial cheaters and completely reckless with women's lives? Like, a single one of them? I think every woman who married a Kennedy ended up dead or miserable. Maybe Ethel was reasonably happy, but she became a widow relatively young and never sought remarriage, and Bobby seemed a little less horrible than the rest of them, though his affairs were still well known.

You think a woman who had to raise 11 children, with a husband who was largely absent, was happy?

Ethel seemed less miserable than the rest of the Kennedy wives. She didn't commit suicide, drink herself to oblivion or otherwise die early. That's my only claim here.

SHE HAD TWELVE C-SECTIONS. I don’t think that excuses her behavior or her crazy lack of parenting, but I can’t even imagine.

Ethel's family of origin was very messy. Both parents were alcoholics and died in a plane crash. The kids were neglected yet indulged and she raised her own similarly. Interesting dynasty story in its own right; they were as rich or richer than the Kennedys.

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Anonymous wrote:"Bag"? Could you be more misogynist?

Most Kennedy men were awful humans.

For shame, OP. You disgust me.

I was kind of thinking this.

All humans have for all times sought to find appropriate mates, if even the persons involved got to choose for themselves.

No one's like, well I guess I shall marry down the ladder !! Unless there's something like a baby involved or much hotness.

CBK and JFK Jr. were well suited to one another. She was from Greenwich.

I don't know who Jackie thought would be the best wife for him but she certainly didn't seem to have put forth any better candidates in his way. At least as far as I have read about.

I imagine Jackie wanted him to end up with someone like her or Caroline. Jackie was from a wealthy family, had a good pedigree and appeared to be interested in her role as First Lady. Caroline was the next generation of that - wealthy family, right pedigree, smart and ambitious.

I wonder if rose and Joseph Kennedy approved of their son’s spouses. I think Ethel was a friend of Eunice’s and came from the Kennedy world. Both Jackie and Ethel kind of understood the “‘never explain, never complain” mentality.

Caroline wasn't the right pedigree, in terms of background or education. She was not blue blood, grew up middle class, then moved to Greenwich as a teen. She was earthy and not at all patrician in bearing or manners. Not a strong student, at a middling school, surrounded by new family members who attended Ivies and took politics and public service very seriously.

I meant Caroline as in JFKs sister Caroline. I was saying Jackie wanted her son to end up with someone with a pedigree like her own or Caroline Kennedy’s. Carolyn did not have that pedigree. She was beautiful and passed for it but I think people like Jackie and Caroline kind of rolled their eyes at a beautiful “it girl” in a seemingly superficial fashion PR job. And working out of need, lol.

I think Jackie probably would have been okay with someone who wasn't from a similar family as long as they had the educational pedigree and traveled in the same circles. Ed Schlossberg (Caroline's husband) is from a family who had enough money to send Ed to private school in NYC, but nothing like the Kennedys (or the Beauvoirs). But his family highly valued education and Ed went to Columbia and got a PhD. He was also "earthy" in that he was an artist in NYC in the 70s and 80s, however he was/is an intellectual and his academic background is in philosophy. So he wasn't really from the same background as Caroline at all, but I think it was still a good match for the family because Schlossberg and his family cared about the same things as the Kennedys and Ed could attend family events and fundraisers with Caroline and not be a total fish out of water (even though I'm certain many people in the Kennedy set looked down on him for his background).

The issue with Carolyn is that she and her family did not have the same priorities as John's family at all. It was a total culture clash. Not with John (who was also rebelling against his family in a variety of ways) but between the families. They really were not well suited. While I normally hate her being mentioned on threads like this, I actually think Meghan Markel is very similar. A successful professional woman marrying the younger son of a family that views itself as an established institution with high expectations for its progeny. On the surface it seems like it will be okay but you've got a woman who likes making her own decisions and living her own life marrying into a family where obligation is doing what you're told is a big part of fitting in.

The show seems to be pushing the idea that she was scrappy & practical, but not sufficiently intellectual. She’s not able to comment on politics, & people at Kennedy gatherings keep mentioning the elite colleges they went to, & Carolyn is forced to admit she only went to BU (good college, but lacks cachet for snobs).

You just described about ten couples I know.

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Didn’t he date Daryl Hannah? She was obviously his type.

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Just coming in to comment about people "bagging" spouses ... that's happened throughout history. It's not new. It's actually what's even sort of expected even today in a capitalist economy. Instead of your birth, money raises you up. Somehow, though, in contrast to anti-capitalist opinion, you're supposed to make your money from almost any other source than the obvious ... the marriage alliance.

Or Jesus and God give it to you through the hands of the people who follow you.

OKaaaay.

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I'm a trailer rat. I was just a smart trailer rat.

I had a teacher who took an interest in me and showed me how to apply to take the SSATs and I'm pretty sure she wrote my application checks herself. I got into Princeton.

My 1st navigation was not to get straight A's, it was to be accepted by my new classmates. I found one who was (or who seemed, as simple as I was) and he sort of fell in love with me instantly. I fell in love with the idea that someone could be in love with me.

I also learned about his family. It wasn't super special at the time. They all had dinner around a table. That was fancy to me.

I 100% majored more in marrying my (now-ex) as opposed to my actual major. I followed him to his grad school city. When I stayed weekends with him and his roommates, I cleaned the whole place. I MADE MACARONI AND CHEESE AND BREAD

You don't just get to look good and then say FU find someone else, because they always can and will.

PS sorry I'm high and watching baby gorilla adoption videos on YT

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Anonymous wrote:I dispute the premise of this thread. She could have married a lot better than JFK Jr., even leaving aside that he wound up killing her and her sister. She had a great career and was still on the way up. Her social and professional circles would have been full of wealthy, connected men.

I don't think so. He was the biggest catch in America at that point in time. No one came close.

Yeah but coupling up with him came with all sorts of baggage and scrutiny she didn't want and couldn't handle.

She thought she could. She seemed like a pretty tough young woman. Not sure why she couldn't handle it, doesn't really jibe with her temperament (as recounted by others).

Has any woman married to Joe Kennedy or one of his descendants claimed to have had a happy marriage? Were any of the Kennedy men not serial cheaters and completely reckless with women's lives? Like, a single one of them? I think every woman who married a Kennedy ended up dead or miserable. Maybe Ethel was reasonably happy, but she became a widow relatively young and never sought remarriage, and Bobby seemed a little less horrible than the rest of them, though his affairs were still well known.

You think a woman who had to raise 11 children, with a husband who was largely absent, was happy?

Ethel seemed less miserable than the rest of the Kennedy wives. She didn't commit suicide, drink herself to oblivion or otherwise die early. That's my only claim here.

SHE HAD TWELVE C-SECTIONS. I don’t think that excuses her behavior or her crazy lack of parenting, but I can’t even imagine.

Ethel's family of origin was very messy. Both parents were alcoholics and died in a plane crash. The kids were neglected yet indulged and she raised her own similarly. Interesting dynasty story in its own right; they were as rich or richer than the Kennedys.

+1 Ethel's father was the founder of what was one of the largest privately held corporations in America, and she was born into what was probably more wealth than the Kennedys--she was raised in a 31-room mansion in Greenwich. She was definitely the wealthiest of the Kennedy wives.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t he date Daryl Hannah? She was obviously his type.

I got all like woah! When I found out the actress who played Daryl is Mariel Hemingway's daughter IRL

The look was different for the actress but her demeanor and cadence and tone of speech was exactly spot-on perfect

All the posts somehow keep referencing DH for Splash and 50 foot woman

But I really remember her from the TV movie Paper Dolls with Alexandra Paul,Summer Lovers, and Wall Street

Daryl Hannah was from a well educated background, in another incarnation of neurodivergence she might have been an actress like Cameron Diaz

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a trailer rat. I was just a smart trailer rat.

I had a teacher who took an interest in me and showed me how to apply to take the SSATs and I'm pretty sure she wrote my application checks herself. I got into Princeton.

My 1st navigation was not to get straight A's, it was to be accepted by my new classmates. I found one who was (or who seemed, as simple as I was) and he sort of fell in love with me instantly. I fell in love with the idea that someone could be in love with me.

I also learned about his family. It wasn't super special at the time. They all had dinner around a table. That was fancy to me.

I 100% majored more in marrying my (now-ex) as opposed to my actual major. I followed him to his grad school city. When I stayed weekends with him and his roommates, I cleaned the whole place. I MADE MACARONI AND CHEESE AND BREAD

You don't just get to look good and then say FU find someone else, because they always can and will.

PS sorry I'm high and watching baby gorilla adoption videos on YT

You need to start an AMA thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I dispute the premise of this thread. She could have married a lot better than JFK Jr., even leaving aside that he wound up killing her and her sister. She had a great career and was still on the way up. Her social and professional circles would have been full of wealthy, connected men.

I don't think so. He was the biggest catch in America at that point in time. No one came close.

Yeah but coupling up with him came with all sorts of baggage and scrutiny she didn't want and couldn't handle.

She thought she could. She seemed like a pretty tough young woman. Not sure why she couldn't handle it, doesn't really jibe with her temperament (as recounted by others).

Has any woman married to Joe Kennedy or one of his descendants claimed to have had a happy marriage? Were any of the Kennedy men not serial cheaters and completely reckless with women's lives? Like, a single one of them? I think every woman who married a Kennedy ended up dead or miserable. Maybe Ethel was reasonably happy, but she became a widow relatively young and never sought remarriage, and Bobby seemed a little less horrible than the rest of them, though his affairs were still well known.

You think a woman who had to raise 11 children, with a husband who was largely absent, was happy?

Ethel seemed less miserable than the rest of the Kennedy wives. She didn't commit suicide, drink herself to oblivion or otherwise die early. That's my only claim here.

SHE HAD TWELVE C-SECTIONS. I don’t think that excuses her behavior or her crazy lack of parenting, but I can’t even imagine.

Ethel's family of origin was very messy. Both parents were alcoholics and died in a plane crash. The kids were neglected yet indulged and she raised her own similarly. Interesting dynasty story in its own right; they were as rich or richer than the Kennedys.

+1 Ethel's father was the founder of what was one of the largest privately held corporations in America, and she was born into what was probably more wealth than the Kennedys--she was raised in a 31-room mansion in Greenwich. She was definitely the wealthiest of the Kennedy wives.

Ethel Skakel definitely was the wealthiest Kennedy wife. And it kind of sounds like (from the books I've read) that the atmosphere in which she raised her 11 kids after her own upbringing was more of a continuation with a brief break with the Kennedy family ... and then maybe back to a certain chaos.

I've read enough of the biographies and looky-loo tabloids to be able to piece together the most probable general picture. (Which is also not unlike any other family ... teens drive fast and do drugs, kids used to use records as frisbees (once), parents weren't always there to look after their kids. Ethel raised some great kids and at least one who literally seems to have an active brain disease that he blames on something else and too many million people nod and go OK !!!!!

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Daryl Hannah was actually raised in considerably more wealth than JFK, Jr. or Carolyn Bessette. Darryl's stepfather is Jerrold Wexler, who was a billionaire businessman in Chicago that made a massive fortune in real estate.

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He should have married Sally Munro.

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Anonymous wrote:I dispute the premise of this thread. She could have married a lot better than JFK Jr., even leaving aside that he wound up killing her and her sister. She had a great career and was still on the way up. Her social and professional circles would have been full of wealthy, connected men.

I don't think so. He was the biggest catch in America at that point in time. No one came close.

Yeah but coupling up with him came with all sorts of baggage and scrutiny she didn't want and couldn't handle.

She thought she could. She seemed like a pretty tough young woman. Not sure why she couldn't handle it, doesn't really jibe with her temperament (as recounted by others).

Has any woman married to Joe Kennedy or one of his descendants claimed to have had a happy marriage? Were any of the Kennedy men not serial cheaters and completely reckless with women's lives? Like, a single one of them? I think every woman who married a Kennedy ended up dead or miserable. Maybe Ethel was reasonably happy, but she became a widow relatively young and never sought remarriage, and Bobby seemed a little less horrible than the rest of them, though his affairs were still well known.

You think a woman who had to raise 11 children, with a husband who was largely absent, was happy?

Ethel seemed less miserable than the rest of the Kennedy wives. She didn't commit suicide, drink herself to oblivion or otherwise die early. That's my only claim here.

SHE HAD TWELVE C-SECTIONS. I don’t think that excuses her behavior or her crazy lack of parenting, but I can’t even imagine.

Ethel's family of origin was very messy. Both parents were alcoholics and died in a plane crash. The kids were neglected yet indulged and she raised her own similarly. Interesting dynasty story in its own right; they were as rich or richer than the Kennedys.

+1 Ethel's father was the founder of what was one of the largest privately held corporations in America, and she was born into what was probably more wealth than the Kennedys--she was raised in a 31-room mansion in Greenwich. She was definitely the wealthiest of the Kennedy wives.

Ethel Skakel definitely was the wealthiest Kennedy wife. And it kind of sounds like (from the books I've read) that the atmosphere in which she raised her 11 kids after her own upbringing was more of a continuation with a brief break with the Kennedy family ... and then maybe back to a certain chaos.

I've read enough of the biographies and looky-loo tabloids to be able to piece together the most probable general picture. (Which is also not unlike any other family ... teens drive fast and do drugs, kids used to use records as frisbees (once), parents weren't always there to look after their kids. Ethel raised some great kids and at least one who literally seems to have an active brain disease that he blames on something else and too many million people nod and go OK !!!!!

Yeah, she raised them the way she was raised, by all accounts. I'm not sure having an absent husband was a big deal to her, as that was how she was raised, with a huge amount of wealth and an absent father.

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Anonymous wrote:I dispute the premise of this thread. She could have married a lot better than JFK Jr., even leaving aside that he wound up killing her and her sister. She had a great career and was still on the way up. Her social and professional circles would have been full of wealthy, connected men.

I don't think so. He was the biggest catch in America at that point in time. No one came close.

Yeah but coupling up with him came with all sorts of baggage and scrutiny she didn't want and couldn't handle.

She thought she could. She seemed like a pretty tough young woman. Not sure why she couldn't handle it, doesn't really jibe with her temperament (as recounted by others).

Has any woman married to Joe Kennedy or one of his descendants claimed to have had a happy marriage? Were any of the Kennedy men not serial cheaters and completely reckless with women's lives? Like, a single one of them? I think every woman who married a Kennedy ended up dead or miserable. Maybe Ethel was reasonably happy, but she became a widow relatively young and never sought remarriage, and Bobby seemed a little less horrible than the rest of them, though his affairs were still well known.

You think a woman who had to raise 11 children, with a husband who was largely absent, was happy?

Ethel seemed less miserable than the rest of the Kennedy wives. She didn't commit suicide, drink herself to oblivion or otherwise die early. That's my only claim here.

Ethel must have had some status among the Kennedy wives because at least her husband was banging her at least once per year. As opposed to Jack & Ted, who were chasing everyone except their wives.

Jackie had 5 pregnancies in 10 years, including a stillbirth and a very premature baby that died. Thy were clearly having sex on a regular basis.

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All the pregnancies and miscarriages were probably because he gave her chlamydia. The Kennedy men were not a prize. None of their wives was happily married. What standard are we using to judge a man for marriage? All the money and fame in the world don't make someone a good or even a decent spouse. That should be the takeaway for young women.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a trailer rat. I was just a smart trailer rat.

I had a teacher who took an interest in me and showed me how to apply to take the SSATs and I'm pretty sure she wrote my application checks herself. I got into Princeton.

My 1st navigation was not to get straight A's, it was to be accepted by my new classmates. I found one who was (or who seemed, as simple as I was) and he sort of fell in love with me instantly. I fell in love with the idea that someone could be in love with me.

I also learned about his family. It wasn't super special at the time. They all had dinner around a table. That was fancy to me.

I 100% majored more in marrying my (now-ex) as opposed to my actual major. I followed him to his grad school city. When I stayed weekends with him and his roommates, I cleaned the whole place. I MADE MACARONI AND CHEESE AND BREAD

You don't just get to look good and then say FU find someone else, because they always can and will.

PS sorry I'm high and watching baby gorilla adoption videos on YT

You need to start an AMA thread.

Yep. It sounds like a book -- one that I would love to read!