Hegseth Ordered Second Strike to Kill Caribbean Boat Survivors

[Anonymous]

Consequences…. Here is a bit of history

Following his release in 1974, Lieutenant William Calley moved to GA, and lived a regular life. He stayed out of the public eye and worked at a store.

The former war criminal died in a Florida hospice last year, after his 80th birthday.

Who else was held to account after the ongoing conflict in/around Vietnam. Can we name them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a former judge advocate. Was deployed as a lawyer in Afghanistan. Striking the boat a second time was not manifestly unlawful; therefore, the order needed followed. Not a war crime. Not murder.

lol sure. Legally justify the first strike- civilians in a boat posing no threat to the US. Now justify the second strike two men clinging to boat wreckage. You can not. No lawyer would give the okay on these strike because they are war crimes. You are not a former judge advocate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Consequences…. Here is a bit of history

Following his release in 1974, Lieutenant William Calley moved to GA, and lived a regular life. He stayed out of the public eye and worked at a store.

The former war criminal died in a Florida hospice last year, after his 80th birthday.

Who else was held to account after the ongoing conflict in/around Vietnam. Can we name them?

Guilty on 22 charges of murder. Released by republicans and Nixon. Glad you recognize what has happened as murder.

On March 16, 1968, Calley led around 100 soldiers of Charlie company into the village of My Lai. Although they faced no resistance, they entered the village shooting. They murdered hundreds of civilians consisting mostly of South Vietnamese elderly men, women, children, and infants using automatic weapons, grenades and bayonets. Infants and children were killed with bayonets, and females were raped and shot.

The official American estimate of those murdered was 347, but a Vietnamese memorial at the site lists 504 names, with ages ranging from 1 to 82. In the My Lai museum in Vietnam, a marble plaque lists the names and ages of the victims. 504 people from 247 families were killed. Of these, 24 families lost everyone – three generations, no survivors. Included in the 504 were 60 elderly men, and 282 women (17 of whom were pregnant). A total of 173 children were killed; 53 were infants.
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Private First Class Paul David Meadlo, having been granted immunity was ordered by Judge Reid W. Kennedy to testify or face contempt of court charges. Meadlo thus took the stand and recounted that as he stood guard over some 30 villagers whom he, along with Private Dennis Conti, had gathered at a defoliated area at the hamlet's southern tip, he was approached by Calley and told, regarding the civilians, "You know what to do with 'em." Meadlo took that as orders to only keep watch over them. Calley, however, returned 10 minutes later and became enraged by the fact that the villagers were still alive. After telling Meadlo that he had wanted them dead, Calley backed up about 20 feet, opened fire on them himself and ordered Meadlo to join in, which he did. Meadlo then proceeded to round up more villagers to be massacred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley

This sounds like something the Israelis would do.

When all this Venezuela boat murders go to courts-martial there will be no interference from a friendly president or SecDef to reduce the sentence.

[Anonymous]

This kill order has been leaking out for months. This is why the democrats released the do not follow illegal orders video. All the evidence is out.

Lot more stuff to come out with other incidents. Brace yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This kill order has been leaking out for months. This is why the democrats released the do not follow illegal orders video. All the evidence is out.

Lot more stuff to come out with other incidents. Brace yourselves.

please elaborate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah this is intentional waters, sketchy high speed boats intruding us waters. Shoot to kill

They have been no where near US waters. And not one has been capable of reaching US waters without mid-journey refueling multiple times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a former judge advocate. Was deployed as a lawyer in Afghanistan. Striking the boat a second time was not manifestly unlawful; therefore, the order needed followed. Not a war crime. Not murder.

That’s disgusting, if true. Expect enemy combatants to deliver the same mercy to American troops.

It is not true and PP is not a judge advocate, they just play one on the internet.

It was illegal. These are war crimes. The admiral should have resigned instead of following these orders.

Yes - really a former judge advocate. The boats can absolutely be legitimate military targets. There is no need for a declaration of war to determine something is a legitimate military target. And if the boats and drugs are not destroyed with the first missile, you can fire a second.

Hmm. Should we believe this anonymous DCUM MAGGAT or the military times and the former JAGs that sent a memo declaring that these were war crimes?

A group of former military lawyers issued a memo Saturday condemning Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth for allegedly ordering a special operations commander and military personnel to kill everybody aboard an alleged drug-carrying vessel on Sept. 2.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2025/12/01/former-jags-say-hegseth-others-may-have-committed-war-crimes/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_mt&brid=pf-5ILpXFSioPnbCSwzGgw

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Consequences…. Here is a bit of history

Following his release in 1974, Lieutenant William Calley moved to GA, and lived a regular life. He stayed out of the public eye and worked at a store.

The former war criminal died in a Florida hospice last year, after his 80th birthday.

Who else was held to account after the ongoing conflict in/around Vietnam. Can we name them?

Yes, we know the far left now wants to litigate the existence and validity of the U.S. military and render it a rogue operation that needs to be disbanded, and then, great news, Israel will fail!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Consequences…. Here is a bit of history

Following his release in 1974, Lieutenant William Calley moved to GA, and lived a regular life. He stayed out of the public eye and worked at a store.

The former war criminal died in a Florida hospice last year, after his 80th birthday.

Who else was held to account after the ongoing conflict in/around Vietnam. Can we name them?

Guilty on 22 charges of murder. Released by republicans and Nixon. Glad you recognize what has happened as murder.

On March 16, 1968, Calley led around 100 soldiers of Charlie company into the village of My Lai. Although they faced no resistance, they entered the village shooting. They murdered hundreds of civilians consisting mostly of South Vietnamese elderly men, women, children, and infants using automatic weapons, grenades and bayonets. Infants and children were killed with bayonets, and females were raped and shot.

The official American estimate of those murdered was 347, but a Vietnamese memorial at the site lists 504 names, with ages ranging from 1 to 82. In the My Lai museum in Vietnam, a marble plaque lists the names and ages of the victims. 504 people from 247 families were killed. Of these, 24 families lost everyone – three generations, no survivors. Included in the 504 were 60 elderly men, and 282 women (17 of whom were pregnant). A total of 173 children were killed; 53 were infants.
…
Private First Class Paul David Meadlo, having been granted immunity was ordered by Judge Reid W. Kennedy to testify or face contempt of court charges. Meadlo thus took the stand and recounted that as he stood guard over some 30 villagers whom he, along with Private Dennis Conti, had gathered at a defoliated area at the hamlet's southern tip, he was approached by Calley and told, regarding the civilians, "You know what to do with 'em." Meadlo took that as orders to only keep watch over them. Calley, however, returned 10 minutes later and became enraged by the fact that the villagers were still alive. After telling Meadlo that he had wanted them dead, Calley backed up about 20 feet, opened fire on them himself and ordered Meadlo to join in, which he did. Meadlo then proceeded to round up more villagers to be massacred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley

This sounds like something the Israelis would do.

When all this Venezuela boat murders go to courts-martial there will be no interference from a friendly president or SecDef to reduce the sentence.

Yes, it always comes back to Israel...you don't care about the reputation and integrity of the U.S. military or even the people on the boat and their families, but the priority is always using everything and every circumstance as a prop to stick it to Israel. Selfish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a former judge advocate. Was deployed as a lawyer in Afghanistan. Striking the boat a second time was not manifestly unlawful; therefore, the order needed followed. Not a war crime. Not murder.

That’s disgusting, if true. Expect enemy combatants to deliver the same mercy to American troops.

It is not true and PP is not a judge advocate, they just play one on the internet.

It was illegal. These are war crimes. The admiral should have resigned instead of following these orders.

Yes - really a former judge advocate. The boats can absolutely be legitimate military targets. There is no need for a declaration of war to determine something is a legitimate military target. And if the boats and drugs are not destroyed with the first missile, you can fire a second.

DP. Shut the f up. You obviously are way over your head. The are boats are civilian and pose no threat to the US. Therefore are not legal targets by definition. That is the first war crime if we were at war. The second war crime was targeting civilians ship wreck survivors. Again this is a war crime by definition. We are not at war so this is straight up murder.

This is not a TV show. There will be consequences for everyone in the COC. This is why you have ROE to protect your troops and to not turn a tactical success in to a strategic catastrophe. Though the targeting killing of most 100 civilians is by no means a tactical success.

You can try to dance around in your F’d up maga logic but legally this is clearly criminal action. By law this one incident is two separate war crimes. Even the major posing as SecDef is running for cover. The admiral and others will face the death penalty. It just depends on who issued the orders.

This is laughable. I suspect they'll destroy another drug boat today or tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a former judge advocate. Was deployed as a lawyer in Afghanistan. Striking the boat a second time was not manifestly unlawful; therefore, the order needed followed. Not a war crime. Not murder.

That’s disgusting, if true. Expect enemy combatants to deliver the same mercy to American troops.

It is not true and PP is not a judge advocate, they just play one on the internet.

It was illegal. These are war crimes. The admiral should have resigned instead of following these orders.

Yes - really a former judge advocate. The boats can absolutely be legitimate military targets. There is no need for a declaration of war to determine something is a legitimate military target. And if the boats and drugs are not destroyed with the first missile, you can fire a second.

Hmm. Should we believe this anonymous DCUM MAGGAT or the military times and the former JAGs that sent a memo declaring that these were war crimes?

A group of former military lawyers issued a memo Saturday condemning Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth for allegedly ordering a special operations commander and military personnel to kill everybody aboard an alleged drug-carrying vessel on Sept. 2.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2025/12/01/former-jags-say-hegseth-others-may-have-committed-war-crimes/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_mt&brid=pf-5ILpXFSioPnbCSwzGgw

These right-leaning individuals have also questioned the legality of Hegseth’s orders.

- Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS): As chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee

- Rep. Mike Rogers (R-AL): Chair of the House Armed Services Committee

- Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE): A veteran and Armed Services Committee member

- Bret Baier (Fox News): res anchor

- John Fund (National Review): The conservative columnist and editor-at-large

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a former judge advocate. Was deployed as a lawyer in Afghanistan. Striking the boat a second time was not manifestly unlawful; therefore, the order needed followed. Not a war crime. Not murder.

That’s disgusting, if true. Expect enemy combatants to deliver the same mercy to American troops.

It is not true and PP is not a judge advocate, they just play one on the internet.

It was illegal. These are war crimes. The admiral should have resigned instead of following these orders.

Yes - really a former judge advocate. The boats can absolutely be legitimate military targets. There is no need for a declaration of war to determine something is a legitimate military target. And if the boats and drugs are not destroyed with the first missile, you can fire a second.

Ok, please, please PLEASE cite the law under which even the first strike would be considered lawful.

[Anonymous]

Yes - really a former judge advocate. The boats can absolutely be legitimate military targets. There is no need for a declaration of war to determine something is a legitimate military target. And if the boats and drugs are not destroyed with the first missile, you can fire a second.

Dear "former judge advocate,"

You're not very precise with your language. The boats "can" be legitimate military targets? That's like saying a building can be a office; a pencil can be a weapon; a bicycle can be a sculpture.

What's at issue is if the boat(s) were legitimate military targets, posing a real and imminent threat.

Also find your use of the word absolutely kind of JAG-ish, but nevermind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a former judge advocate. Was deployed as a lawyer in Afghanistan. Striking the boat a second time was not manifestly unlawful; therefore, the order needed followed. Not a war crime. Not murder.

That’s disgusting, if true. Expect enemy combatants to deliver the same mercy to American troops.

It is not true and PP is not a judge advocate, they just play one on the internet.

It was illegal. These are war crimes. The admiral should have resigned instead of following these orders.

Yes - really a former judge advocate. The boats can absolutely be legitimate military targets. There is no need for a declaration of war to determine something is a legitimate military target. And if the boats and drugs are not destroyed with the first missile, you can fire a second.

Hmm. Should we believe this anonymous DCUM MAGGAT or the military times and the former JAGs that sent a memo declaring that these were war crimes?

A group of former military lawyers issued a memo Saturday condemning Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth for allegedly ordering a special operations commander and military personnel to kill everybody aboard an alleged drug-carrying vessel on Sept. 2.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2025/12/01/former-jags-say-hegseth-others-may-have-committed-war-crimes/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_mt&brid=pf-5ILpXFSioPnbCSwzGgw

These right-leaning individuals have also questioned the legality of Hegseth’s orders.

- Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS): As chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee

- Rep. Mike Rogers (R-AL): Chair of the House Armed Services Committee

- Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE): A veteran and Armed Services Committee member

- Bret Baier (Fox News): res anchor

- John Fund (National Review): The conservative columnist and editor-at-large

ok, that's all and good, but give on on trying to find a technicality that is going to cause Trump's demise--this strategy is not going to work.

[Anonymous]

make that un-JAG-ish...