Scott Galloway how to save teenage boys.

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Anonymous wrote:Basically, it’s increased competition, and I don’t think young American men are taught to fight for their spot.

This is on all of us parents then. I’m teaching mine and they are just fine.

I'm not tainting mine with the ideas that all masculinity is toxic. They can be who they are and I'm not going to hamstring them or emasculate them so they can't compete.

Not all masculinity is toxic. That's why the word toxic is there. The problem is the Neanderthals who think the only way to show masculinity is pounding their chests and being a dbag.

The line has been blurred where masculinity crosses the line into toxic, so that normal behavior is called toxic. It starts early on in elementary school. Mustn't let the boys get too rowdy on the playground!

I get it but getting too “rowdy” is a liability for the school if someone gets hurt

And there you have it. No games, no fun, limit recess, sit still, be quiet, someone might get hurt. No throwing balls, no kicking balls, no tag, just stand and be quiet.

Wasn't school always like this? Or even more strict than now? Boys were able to do this in school before - what changed?

My boys go to classical school and they can sit still because their (mostly male) teachers let them be rowdy during recess and also play sports and do outside science classes etc. their attitude is yeah, your kid may break a bone, who cares. We are 100% for it.

Also there are no screens. Zero. They use paper and pencil and write in cursive.

So... it isn't society or those crazy liberal women, but rather how they're being raised and taught? Hold on, I'm taking notes over here the next time someone blames their son's hurt feelings on my very existence.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading all this stuff people post, but I am not seeing it in real life. None of the boys I know are like this at all.

Wealthy boys are still getting so much help that they are not facing the consequences of a level playing field.

Help in what way?

Private schools, tutors, held back, travel
Sports, admissions help, health care, healthy food, therapy, etc

Then when they graduate..,

Parents/friends using contacts to get jobs… paying for rent, phones, insurance, down payment for homes, etc

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Anonymous wrote:Basically, it’s increased competition, and I don’t think young American men are taught to fight for their spot.

This is on all of us parents then. I’m teaching mine and they are just fine.

I'm not tainting mine with the ideas that all masculinity is toxic. They can be who they are and I'm not going to hamstring them or emasculate them so they can't compete.

Not all masculinity is toxic. That's why the word toxic is there. The problem is the Neanderthals who think the only way to show masculinity is pounding their chests and being a dbag.

The line has been blurred where masculinity crosses the line into toxic, so that normal behavior is called toxic. It starts early on in elementary school. Mustn't let the boys get too rowdy on the playground!

I get it but getting too “rowdy” is a liability for the school if someone gets hurt

And there you have it. No games, no fun, limit recess, sit still, be quiet, someone might get hurt. No throwing balls, no kicking balls, no tag, just stand and be quiet.

Curious why you think teaching boys appropriate behavior is bad for them?

Explain appropriate behavior.

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We have made it culturally cool to be a smart girl now.

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Anonymous wrote:Basically, it’s increased competition, and I don’t think young American men are taught to fight for their spot.

This is on all of us parents then. I’m teaching mine and they are just fine.

I'm not tainting mine with the ideas that all masculinity is toxic. They can be who they are and I'm not going to hamstring them or emasculate them so they can't compete.

Not all masculinity is toxic. That's why the word toxic is there. The problem is the Neanderthals who think the only way to show masculinity is pounding their chests and being a dbag.

The line has been blurred where masculinity crosses the line into toxic, so that normal behavior is called toxic. It starts early on in elementary school. Mustn't let the boys get too rowdy on the playground!

I get it but getting too “rowdy” is a liability for the school if someone gets hurt

And there you have it. No games, no fun, limit recess, sit still, be quiet, someone might get hurt. No throwing balls, no kicking balls, no tag, just stand and be quiet.

Wasn't school always like this? Or even more strict than now? Boys were able to do this in school before - what changed?

My boys go to classical school and they can sit still because their (mostly male) teachers let them be rowdy during recess and also play sports and do outside science classes etc. their attitude is yeah, your kid may break a bone, who cares. We are 100% for it.

Also there are no screens. Zero. They use paper and pencil and write in cursive.

So... it isn't society or those crazy liberal women, but rather how they're being raised and taught? Hold on, I'm taking notes over here the next time someone blames their son's hurt feelings on my very existence.

It's so dumb because it assumes that boys NEED to be rowdy and rough. Shocker, not all boys do. And if they need to get their energy out, there are certainly ways to do that without hurting someone else or hurting themselves.

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When I think about my parents and their friends and their marriages, I realize there are a lot of men who are mean and angry and generally unpleasant. But my parents got married in the 1960’s and women didn’t have full economic rights and there an expectation that everyone would marry - so even the mean unpleasant men got married. I think even in the 1990s and 1990s working class women put up with some awful guys because it beat the alternative, which was not getting married. But the thing is that now you can’t be an awful person and still expect to get married. You can’t say awful things and treat women as second class citizens and expect that someone is going to sign up for that. It doesn’t work in high school or in college or in life.

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Anonymous wrote:We have made it culturally cool to be a smart girl now.

We have not made it cool though to be a smart boy.

And our schools are failing boys generally. They are set up for girls to succeed and sit quietly in classrooms, but not for boys to jump around and learn, tactilely or experientially.

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Anonymous wrote:When I think about my parents and their friends and their marriages, I realize there are a lot of men who are mean and angry and generally unpleasant. But my parents got married in the 1960’s and women didn’t have full economic rights and there an expectation that everyone would marry - so even the mean unpleasant men got married. I think even in the 1990s and 1990s working class women put up with some awful guys because it beat the alternative, which was not getting married. But the thing is that now you can’t be an awful person and still expect to get married. You can’t say awful things and treat women as second class citizens and expect that someone is going to sign up for that. It doesn’t work in high school or in college or in life.

I think we can all agree this is a great injustice. /s

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Anonymous wrote:We have made it culturally cool to be a smart girl now.

We have not made it cool though to be a smart boy.

And our schools are failing boys generally. They are set up for girls to succeed and sit quietly in classrooms, but not for boys to jump around and learn, tactilely or experientially.

This is such blatant goal-post moving. For the entire history of formal education until 25 years ago, boys did just fine in school. Girls were supposed to be ill-suited for academic rigor. Too delicate, too emotional, or whatever. Now that girls excel in the environment that was built for boys, it's unfair to boys? That's some bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:We have made it culturally cool to be a smart girl now.

We have not made it cool though to be a smart boy.

And our schools are failing boys generally. They are set up for girls to succeed and sit quietly in classrooms, but not for boys to jump around and learn, tactilely or experientially.

This is such blatant goal-post moving. For the entire history of formal education until 25 years ago, boys did just fine in school. Girls were supposed to be ill-suited for academic rigor. Too delicate, too emotional, or whatever. Now that girls excel in the environment that was built for boys, it's unfair to boys? That's some bullshit.

Simmer down.
I’ve got two girls and a boy. I’m just reporting what I’m seeing. In a private K-12 school as well. Very wealthy population.

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I think we should clarify that the boys are in crisis is really that white boys are in crisis. This is a new development.

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Anonymous wrote:Basically, it’s increased competition, and I don’t think young American men are taught to fight for their spot.

This is on all of us parents then. I’m teaching mine and they are just fine.

I'm not tainting mine with the ideas that all masculinity is toxic. They can be who they are and I'm not going to hamstring them or emasculate them so they can't compete.

Not all masculinity is toxic. That's why the word toxic is there. The problem is the Neanderthals who think the only way to show masculinity is pounding their chests and being a dbag.

The line has been blurred where masculinity crosses the line into toxic, so that normal behavior is called toxic. It starts early on in elementary school. Mustn't let the boys get too rowdy on the playground!

I get it but getting too “rowdy” is a liability for the school if someone gets hurt

Sign a waiver?

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Anonymous wrote:I think we should clarify that the boys are in crisis is really that white boys are in crisis. This is a new development.

Yes. The 18-27 yo white boys who all voted for trump. In droves.
My Ivy son reported it back to me in shock.

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Anonymous wrote:We have made it culturally cool to be a smart girl now.

We have not made it cool though to be a smart boy.

And our schools are failing boys generally. They are set up for girls to succeed and sit quietly in classrooms, but not for boys to jump around and learn, tactilely or experientially.

Such horseshit. Generations of men were raised by sitting quietly and learning when they needed to. They are still very much capable of doing that. They can play outside of school and classroom. THere is no need for them to be a nuisance and disturb everyone.

Also, many boys are quiet and don't need to jump around constantly. Your agenda to make it seem like we are failing boys by simply educating them is ridiculous.

And I have boys, so I would know.

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Anonymous wrote:We have made it culturally cool to be a smart girl now.

We have not made it cool though to be a smart boy.

And our schools are failing boys generally. They are set up for girls to succeed and sit quietly in classrooms, but not for boys to jump around and learn, tactilely or experientially.

This is such blatant goal-post moving. For the entire history of formal education until 25 years ago, boys did just fine in school. Girls were supposed to be ill-suited for academic rigor. Too delicate, too emotional, or whatever. Now that girls excel in the environment that was built for boys, it's unfair to boys? That's some bullshit.

Simmer down.
I’ve got two girls and a boy. I’m just reporting what I’m seeing. In a private K-12 school as well. Very wealthy population.

Don't start a fight you can't finish. School isn't failing your son, you and your son are failing school in a way that didn't happen in previous generations.

Pin your hopes on your daughters and plan for trade school for your son. That's what happens when he can't hack the academics, and there's no shame in it. (Don't worry, you can pretend at the country club that he's an artist.) But blaming schools and girls when the only thing that changed was boys' ability to cope? Hell no.