New when will furloughed feds go back to work guesses

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Anonymous wrote:My workload just keeps increasing. Eventually this will not be sustainable. It barely is right now. I give it two more weeks (one more pay period).

What exactly are you going to do? Job market is terrible in general, especially for former Feds - no need for lobbying when govt is on your side and contracting is being crushed.

Are you going to just quit and retire — are you eligible now?

Work stops getting done, things grind to a halt, processes stop. There are MILLION ways this happens in the government. Workers will work a bit harder to keep up for a short time, but over time, they won't. Eventually the people working daily with no paycheck start to take time off. Why? Because they aren't getting paid so why show up? They start taking sick time or personal leave and things stop.

I’ll leave is canceled during a shutdown. That means workers will need to be willing to enter a furlough status, which in this environment means they will not be paid potentially and could even be RIF. I think the calculus is different than in shut, downs past, being blasé about going on furlough there is no longer the norm.

Heh. I am on furlough status and I can’t be bothered by this anymore. I’m enjoying this time and realizing how emotionally worn down I was by my job. My calculus is that if they want to RIF or fire they just should go ahead and do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My workload just keeps increasing. Eventually this will not be sustainable. It barely is right now. I give it two more weeks (one more pay period).

What exactly are you going to do? Job market is terrible in general, especially for former Feds - no need for lobbying when govt is on your side and contracting is being crushed.

Are you going to just quit and retire — are you eligible now?

Two more weeks until we open. I’m fine lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My workload just keeps increasing. Eventually this will not be sustainable. It barely is right now. I give it two more weeks (one more pay period).

What exactly are you going to do? Job market is terrible in general, especially for former Feds - no need for lobbying when govt is on your side and contracting is being crushed.

Are you going to just quit and retire — are you eligible now?

Work stops getting done, things grind to a halt, processes stop. There are MILLION ways this happens in the government. Workers will work a bit harder to keep up for a short time, but over time, they won't. Eventually the people working daily with no paycheck start to take time off. Why? Because they aren't getting paid so why show up? They start taking sick time or personal leave and things stop.

This. Also, there’s pent up demand for work to get done from the top and they start to realize they have to bring more people in and can’t pay them. It’ll be over in a few weeks.

[Anonymous]

January.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My workload just keeps increasing. Eventually this will not be sustainable. It barely is right now. I give it two more weeks (one more pay period).

What exactly are you going to do? Job market is terrible in general, especially for former Feds - no need for lobbying when govt is on your side and contracting is being crushed.

Are you going to just quit and retire — are you eligible now?

Work stops getting done, things grind to a halt, processes stop. There are MILLION ways this happens in the government. Workers will work a bit harder to keep up for a short time, but over time, they won't. Eventually the people working daily with no paycheck start to take time off. Why? Because they aren't getting paid so why show up? They start taking sick time or personal leave and things stop.

I’ll leave is canceled during a shutdown. That means workers will need to be willing to enter a furlough status, which in this environment means they will not be paid potentially and could even be RIF. I think the calculus is different than in shut, downs past, being blasé about going on furlough there is no longer the norm.

Heh. I am on furlough status and I can’t be bothered by this anymore. I’m enjoying this time and realizing how emotionally worn down I was by my job. My calculus is that if they want to RIF or fire they just should go ahead and do it.

If you are on furlough status there is nothing to be done. The PP is excepted and is tired of working and would need to decide if going on furlough to get a break would be worth the risk. Different situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My workload just keeps increasing. Eventually this will not be sustainable. It barely is right now. I give it two more weeks (one more pay period).

What exactly are you going to do? Job market is terrible in general, especially for former Feds - no need for lobbying when govt is on your side and contracting is being crushed.

Are you going to just quit and retire — are you eligible now?

Work stops getting done, things grind to a halt, processes stop. There are MILLION ways this happens in the government. Workers will work a bit harder to keep up for a short time, but over time, they won't. Eventually the people working daily with no paycheck start to take time off. Why? Because they aren't getting paid so why show up? They start taking sick time or personal leave and things stop.

I’ll leave is canceled during a shutdown. That means workers will need to be willing to enter a furlough status, which in this environment means they will not be paid potentially and could even be RIF. I think the calculus is different than in shut, downs past, being blasé about going on furlough there is no longer the norm.

Heh. I am on furlough status and I can’t be bothered by this anymore. I’m enjoying this time and realizing how emotionally worn down I was by my job. My calculus is that if they want to RIF or fire they just should go ahead and do it.

If you are on furlough status there is nothing to be done. The PP is excepted and is tired of working and would need to decide if going on furlough to get a break would be worth the risk. Different situation.

I disagree with you that there is a risk involved. Our current management is making decisions in an arbitrary and capricious manner. It does not matter what you do or do not do. Get used to the new paradigm, guys.

[Anonymous]

Shutdowns are part of Project 2025. Vought thinks they’re a way to take over more of Congress’s job. He’s been vocal about it. Trump and Vought want Johnson to keep this going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My workload just keeps increasing. Eventually this will not be sustainable. It barely is right now. I give it two more weeks (one more pay period).

What exactly are you going to do? Job market is terrible in general, especially for former Feds - no need for lobbying when govt is on your side and contracting is being crushed.

Are you going to just quit and retire — are you eligible now?

Work stops getting done, things grind to a halt, processes stop. There are MILLION ways this happens in the government. Workers will work a bit harder to keep up for a short time, but over time, they won't. Eventually the people working daily with no paycheck start to take time off. Why? Because they aren't getting paid so why show up? They start taking sick time or personal leave and things stop.

I’ll leave is canceled during a shutdown. That means workers will need to be willing to enter a furlough status, which in this environment means they will not be paid potentially and could even be RIF. I think the calculus is different than in shut, downs past, being blasé about going on furlough there is no longer the norm.

Heh. I am on furlough status and I can’t be bothered by this anymore. I’m enjoying this time and realizing how emotionally worn down I was by my job. My calculus is that if they want to RIF or fire they just should go ahead and do it.

If you are on furlough status there is nothing to be done. The PP is excepted and is tired of working and would need to decide if going on furlough to get a break would be worth the risk. Different situation.

I disagree with you that there is a risk involved. Our current management is making decisions in an arbitrary and capricious manner. It does not matter what you do or do not do. Get used to the new paradigm, guys.

I agree, but I do believe an easy and likely capricious decision would be: RIF all the furloughed employees. So voluntarily furloughing yourself because you are burned out could have unexpected consequence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My workload just keeps increasing. Eventually this will not be sustainable. It barely is right now. I give it two more weeks (one more pay period).

What exactly are you going to do? Job market is terrible in general, especially for former Feds - no need for lobbying when govt is on your side and contracting is being crushed.

Are you going to just quit and retire — are you eligible now?

Work stops getting done, things grind to a halt, processes stop. There are MILLION ways this happens in the government. Workers will work a bit harder to keep up for a short time, but over time, they won't. Eventually the people working daily with no paycheck start to take time off. Why? Because they aren't getting paid so why show up? They start taking sick time or personal leave and things stop.

I’ll leave is canceled during a shutdown. That means workers will need to be willing to enter a furlough status, which in this environment means they will not be paid potentially and could even be RIF. I think the calculus is different than in shut, downs past, being blasé about going on furlough there is no longer the norm.

Heh. I am on furlough status and I can’t be bothered by this anymore. I’m enjoying this time and realizing how emotionally worn down I was by my job. My calculus is that if they want to RIF or fire they just should go ahead and do it.

If you are on furlough status there is nothing to be done. The PP is excepted and is tired of working and would need to decide if going on furlough to get a break would be worth the risk. Different situation.

I disagree with you that there is a risk involved. Our current management is making decisions in an arbitrary and capricious manner. It does not matter what you do or do not do. Get used to the new paradigm, guys.

I agree, but I do believe an easy and likely capricious decision would be: RIF all the furloughed employees. So voluntarily furloughing yourself because you are burned out could have unexpected consequence.

Not that they care about the law, but the RIFs they’ve done so far have either encompassed an entire competitive area or entire functions, presumably to get around bump and retreat. RIF of all furloughed employees couldn’t be done in the same manner since furloughed employees cut across all sections of most agencies with people in the same job series where one person is furloughed and his coworker isn’t. Let’s take IRS Counsel for example (merely because I work there so it’s all I know personally). Attorneys who had trials with imminent deadlines were put on the list as exempt for the first round after our furlough started on October 8. If, at the end of the that pay period (so Oct 18), those attorneys had completed their deadline work, they were moved to furlough status and swapped for attorneys who had deadlines upcoming in this pay period. So it’s like shifting chairs on the Titanic. And to continue the metaphor, the ship is going to sink at the point where there are more upcoming deadlines than spots allocated for exempted attorneys. So I’m currently furloughed, but have deadlines in the pay period beginning Nov 16 and if this continues I’ll have to swap out with someone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shutdowns are part of Project 2025. Vought thinks they’re a way to take over more of Congress’s job. He’s been vocal about it. Trump and Vought want Johnson to keep this going.

Marriage counseling would have been a better course of action for Vought, not destroying the country and leaving tens of thousands of people unemployed. Just sayin'.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My workload just keeps increasing. Eventually this will not be sustainable. It barely is right now. I give it two more weeks (one more pay period).

What exactly are you going to do? Job market is terrible in general, especially for former Feds - no need for lobbying when govt is on your side and contracting is being crushed.

Are you going to just quit and retire — are you eligible now?

Work stops getting done, things grind to a halt, processes stop. There are MILLION ways this happens in the government. Workers will work a bit harder to keep up for a short time, but over time, they won't. Eventually the people working daily with no paycheck start to take time off. Why? Because they aren't getting paid so why show up? They start taking sick time or personal leave and things stop.

I’ll leave is canceled during a shutdown. That means workers will need to be willing to enter a furlough status, which in this environment means they will not be paid potentially and could even be RIF. I think the calculus is different than in shut, downs past, being blasé about going on furlough there is no longer the norm.

Heh. I am on furlough status and I can’t be bothered by this anymore. I’m enjoying this time and realizing how emotionally worn down I was by my job. My calculus is that if they want to RIF or fire they just should go ahead and do it.

If you are on furlough status there is nothing to be done. The PP is excepted and is tired of working and would need to decide if going on furlough to get a break would be worth the risk. Different situation.

I disagree with you that there is a risk involved. Our current management is making decisions in an arbitrary and capricious manner. It does not matter what you do or do not do. Get used to the new paradigm, guys.

I agree, but I do believe an easy and likely capricious decision would be: RIF all the furloughed employees. So voluntarily furloughing yourself because you are burned out could have unexpected consequence.

Not that they care about the law, but the RIFs they’ve done so far have either encompassed an entire competitive area or entire functions, presumably to get around bump and retreat. RIF of all furloughed employees couldn’t be done in the same manner since furloughed employees cut across all sections of most agencies with people in the same job series where one person is furloughed and his coworker isn’t. Let’s take IRS Counsel for example (merely because I work there so it’s all I know personally). Attorneys who had trials with imminent deadlines were put on the list as exempt for the first round after our furlough started on October 8. If, at the end of the that pay period (so Oct 18), those attorneys had completed their deadline work, they were moved to furlough status and swapped for attorneys who had deadlines upcoming in this pay period. So it’s like shifting chairs on the Titanic. And to continue the metaphor, the ship is going to sink at the point where there are more upcoming deadlines than spots allocated for exempted attorneys. So I’m currently furloughed, but have deadlines in the pay period beginning Nov 16 and if this continues I’ll have to swap out with someone.

Yeah, I don't think these folks have the competence or manpower to sort out people coming in and out of excepted and furloughed status. The RIFs have shown so far they are just firing the people they wanted to get rid of anyway- excepted IT folks from IRS were part of the first round during the shutdown, for example.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My workload just keeps increasing. Eventually this will not be sustainable. It barely is right now. I give it two more weeks (one more pay period).

What exactly are you going to do? Job market is terrible in general, especially for former Feds - no need for lobbying when govt is on your side and contracting is being crushed.

Are you going to just quit and retire — are you eligible now?

Work stops getting done, things grind to a halt, processes stop. There are MILLION ways this happens in the government. Workers will work a bit harder to keep up for a short time, but over time, they won't. Eventually the people working daily with no paycheck start to take time off. Why? Because they aren't getting paid so why show up? They start taking sick time or personal leave and things stop.

I’ll leave is canceled during a shutdown. That means workers will need to be willing to enter a furlough status, which in this environment means they will not be paid potentially and could even be RIF. I think the calculus is different than in shut, downs past, being blasé about going on furlough there is no longer the norm.

Heh. I am on furlough status and I can’t be bothered by this anymore. I’m enjoying this time and realizing how emotionally worn down I was by my job. My calculus is that if they want to RIF or fire they just should go ahead and do it.

If you are on furlough status there is nothing to be done. The PP is excepted and is tired of working and would need to decide if going on furlough to get a break would be worth the risk. Different situation.

I disagree with you that there is a risk involved. Our current management is making decisions in an arbitrary and capricious manner. It does not matter what you do or do not do. Get used to the new paradigm, guys.

I agree, but I do believe an easy and likely capricious decision would be: RIF all the furloughed employees. So voluntarily furloughing yourself because you are burned out could have unexpected consequence.

Not that they care about the law, but the RIFs they’ve done so far have either encompassed an entire competitive area or entire functions, presumably to get around bump and retreat. RIF of all furloughed employees couldn’t be done in the same manner since furloughed employees cut across all sections of most agencies with people in the same job series where one person is furloughed and his coworker isn’t. Let’s take IRS Counsel for example (merely because I work there so it’s all I know personally). Attorneys who had trials with imminent deadlines were put on the list as exempt for the first round after our furlough started on October 8. If, at the end of the that pay period (so Oct 18), those attorneys had completed their deadline work, they were moved to furlough status and swapped for attorneys who had deadlines upcoming in this pay period. So it’s like shifting chairs on the Titanic. And to continue the metaphor, the ship is going to sink at the point where there are more upcoming deadlines than spots allocated for exempted attorneys. So I’m currently furloughed, but have deadlines in the pay period beginning Nov 16 and if this continues I’ll have to swap out with someone.

In the Department of War, pretty much unless you are supporting on-going operations or someone will die if you don't come to work, you are furloughed. That means almost everyone doing long-term planning, science and technology, acquisition, research and development, and strategy is furloughed. But it's absolutely nuts to think those people aren't needed for national security and should all be riffed because they were furloughed. Sure, if we don't come to work for a random month in the fall, no one will die. But if we never come back to work, yeah, I think a lot of people will die in the future and wars will be lost. But then again, my military branch and the DoW are Trump/Vought/Republican's favorite or 2nd favorite part of the government, so I suspect we'll mostly be ok. And if they really think they can selectively give back pay to only "Republican" agencies, then I guess we got that going for us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shutdowns are part of Project 2025. Vought thinks they’re a way to take over more of Congress’s job. He’s been vocal about it. Trump and Vought want Johnson to keep this going.

Marriage counseling would have been a better course of action for Vought, not destroying the country and leaving tens of thousands of people unemployed. Just sayin'.

Mary’s new husband is hot! She would have never stayed with balding Vought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shutdowns are part of Project 2025. Vought thinks they’re a way to take over more of Congress’s job. He’s been vocal about it. Trump and Vought want Johnson to keep this going.

This. Assume it will probably go through December.

[Anonymous]

My crystal ball says this will end next week. Already murmurs of SNAP not being funded for November so the masses are going to start to see the impact. That may be the impetus Congress needs to grow a pair and act.