The Five school districts with Title IX violations, how much money do they stand to lose?

[Anonymous]

Is there a way we can separate the two issues of locker rooms and restrooms? The locker room issue is much more controversial, sensitive and complex.
But can we agree that trans children and teens using a bathroom stall is a nothingburger???

[Anonymous]

And yet the schools have said there’s nothing they can do about vaping, but they’ll fight to the end on trans rights. I’d argue the right to use the bathroom is a basic human right that neither school administrators nor vaping students can take away, but that ship has sunk.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt any of the anti trans posters have even been in a high school recently. 90% of kids don’t change where I teach anymore, they just wear comfy clothes to school and throw on sneakers. Locker rooms aren’t a huge deal. Certainly no showers or naked displays.

Bathrooms are behind a stall door so again, not sure what anyone thinks they’ll see.

If you’re truly worried about sex offenders in locker rooms and bathrooms, not trans children, let’s brainstorm ways to stop that.

EXACTLY.

That Arlington predator wasn't allowed in either bathroom.

My two APS teens have never changed in an open locker room, either for gym or varsity sports.

The only naked people I've seen in locker rooms in the last decade are older ladies at the pool who are creepy exhibitionists.

It is interesting how the sexism, misogyny, and ageism of trans activists always seeps out. They can’t keep it in, for whatever reason. It is just a core part of who they are, I guess.

I think this is part of the reason a lot of trans rights issues have become approximately 90/10 issues (including Gen Z).

It’s odd how the schools are taking such an unprincipled and unpopular stance. They could compromise (create a safe third space for trans kids, address sports on a case by case basis, etc) but they are so determined to fight for the rights of misogynists that they can’t back down.

I’m a Millennial who has noted for years (well before the current GOP trans panic) that the only people parading around locker rooms nude are old ladies, and when I say parade, I mean parade. As in, awkward changing my 3 year old in there parade. Blow drying the hair, applying the makeup, reorganizing the gym bag, and shooting the breeze completely nude. From what my husband told me, it’s the same in the men’s room.

If it’s ageist and sexist to speak the truth, I’m guilty as charged. Now put some clothes on, there are kids present.

I hope you don’t have daughters. They deserve better than to be taught by someone who actively despises women as deeply as you do. It’s so sad to watch. I’d suggest therapy, but I think your self-loathing goes too deep for that.

There is nothing misogynistic about not wanting pervy old women strutting around the locker room buck naked because they have some kind of exhibitionism fetish.

IDK I was a competitive swimmer growing up. My Mom was a religious prude who never talked to me about bodies. I had so much body fear and shame. The old ladies walking around naked helped normalize bodies for me. It was never sexual

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt any of the anti trans posters have even been in a high school recently. 90% of kids don’t change where I teach anymore, they just wear comfy clothes to school and throw on sneakers. Locker rooms aren’t a huge deal. Certainly no showers or naked displays.

Bathrooms are behind a stall door so again, not sure what anyone thinks they’ll see.

If you’re truly worried about sex offenders in locker rooms and bathrooms, not trans children, let’s brainstorm ways to stop that.

EXACTLY.

That Arlington predator wasn't allowed in either bathroom.

My two APS teens have never changed in an open locker room, either for gym or varsity sports.

The only naked people I've seen in locker rooms in the last decade are older ladies at the pool who are creepy exhibitionists.

It is interesting how the sexism, misogyny, and ageism of trans activists always seeps out. They can’t keep it in, for whatever reason. It is just a core part of who they are, I guess.

I think this is part of the reason a lot of trans rights issues have become approximately 90/10 issues (including Gen Z).

It’s odd how the schools are taking such an unprincipled and unpopular stance. They could compromise (create a safe third space for trans kids, address sports on a case by case basis, etc) but they are so determined to fight for the rights of misogynists that they can’t back down.

I’m a Millennial who has noted for years (well before the current GOP trans panic) that the only people parading around locker rooms nude are old ladies, and when I say parade, I mean parade. As in, awkward changing my 3 year old in there parade. Blow drying the hair, applying the makeup, reorganizing the gym bag, and shooting the breeze completely nude. From what my husband told me, it’s the same in the men’s room.

If it’s ageist and sexist to speak the truth, I’m guilty as charged. Now put some clothes on, there are kids present.

I hope you don’t have daughters. They deserve better than to be taught by someone who actively despises women as deeply as you do. It’s so sad to watch. I’d suggest therapy, but I think your self-loathing goes too deep for that.

There is nothing misogynistic about not wanting pervy old women strutting around the locker room buck naked because they have some kind of exhibitionism fetish.

IDK I was a competitive swimmer growing up. My Mom was a religious prude who never talked to me about bodies. I had so much body fear and shame. The old ladies walking around naked helped normalize bodies for me. It was never sexual

You are right of course. That PP is seriously wrong in the head. And I am never naked in a locker room.

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Anonymous wrote:Replies in this thread should tell you how this issue is going to go. APS et al. are going to lose in court, badly, because even the courts now understand the insanity of these policies. There's a decent chance the 4th circuit reverses itself just to prevent SCOTUS from making a more sweeping and durable precedent (and to spare themselves the embarrassment). This is an 80/20 issue that even the Gen-z high schoolers are turning against. NOVA is so far out over its skis on this and it's a shame. The admins would rather stick their thumbs in the eye of the administration because it costs them nothing, but losing federal funds is going to hurt a lot more students.

You could have just let a half-dozen kids use the single-shot adult bathrooms/changing areas on an informal basis, and this would have been a total non-issue. But that wasn't enough.

Just like with school re-opening, just like with masking, you people insist on turning school administrators into avatars for your own revenge fantasies against national political figures. It's a pipe dream. You're going to lose, and rather than lose gracefully you're going to lose as ugly as possible, and somehow each time it happens you manage to pick an issue to lose ugly on that's even dumber and less popular. The funds will get cut off, the school year will be disrupted, and students will bear the brunt of it, and you and the school administrations are going to pat themselves on the back, feel good about yourselves, nominate the Superintendent for a few more awards, while claiming you bear none of the blame for the damage that this exceedingly stupid fight caused.

No one seriously thinks the schools are going to win this. You have to deal with reality as you find it, not as you wish it would be.

Say that last sentence again louder for the people in the back. The private sector has already figured this out. The reason so many companies are bending the knee (Apple, Paramount, AMD, etc...) is because it's a simple calculation - pay some millions now to save billions worth of headache later. And banking on all of this dumb-assery passing in 3.5 years. APS would do well to take a lesson here - take the L now, which costs very little (but not nothing! it's still gross what the admin is doing), in order to save a much larger sum being taken away later on.

tl;dr - utilitarianism

Neville Chamberlain would like a word about the dangers of appeasement.

Perhaps a poorly written policy that already enabled at least one creep to freely access the women’s locker room is not the hill to die on.

And now all adults have to show ID to confirm they are not sex offenders. Good policy, long overdue. Don’t need to attack 12-year old trans kids anymore.

And if the perpetrator is a student…?

Then they would know that already?

But let’s not forget - for pretty much the entirety of human history, girls have faced the greatest risk of sexual assault from - get this - BOYS and MEN claiming to be nothing other than BOYS and/or MEN.

A woman’s sign on the wall hasn’t stopped them from barging in the past when they decide they wanted to be raped and it hasn’t stopped them barging in now when they want to transvestigate. Bathrooms aren’t suddenly more dangerous because a kid in estrogen wants to get dressed without getting beat down.

As a prosecutor, I can confirm this correct. I have had cases where men entered and victimized young girls in ladies rooms.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt any of the anti trans posters have even been in a high school recently. 90% of kids don’t change where I teach anymore, they just wear comfy clothes to school and throw on sneakers. Locker rooms aren’t a huge deal. Certainly no showers or naked displays.

Bathrooms are behind a stall door so again, not sure what anyone thinks they’ll see.

If you’re truly worried about sex offenders in locker rooms and bathrooms, not trans children, let’s brainstorm ways to stop that.

EXACTLY.

That Arlington predator wasn't allowed in either bathroom.

My two APS teens have never changed in an open locker room, either for gym or varsity sports.

The only naked people I've seen in locker rooms in the last decade are older ladies at the pool who are creepy exhibitionists.

It is interesting how the sexism, misogyny, and ageism of trans activists always seeps out. They can’t keep it in, for whatever reason. It is just a core part of who they are, I guess.

I think this is part of the reason a lot of trans rights issues have become approximately 90/10 issues (including Gen Z).

It’s odd how the schools are taking such an unprincipled and unpopular stance. They could compromise (create a safe third space for trans kids, address sports on a case by case basis, etc) but they are so determined to fight for the rights of misogynists that they can’t back down.

I’m a Millennial who has noted for years (well before the current GOP trans panic) that the only people parading around locker rooms nude are old ladies, and when I say parade, I mean parade. As in, awkward changing my 3 year old in there parade. Blow drying the hair, applying the makeup, reorganizing the gym bag, and shooting the breeze completely nude. From what my husband told me, it’s the same in the men’s room.

If it’s ageist and sexist to speak the truth, I’m guilty as charged. Now put some clothes on, there are kids present.

I hope you don’t have daughters. They deserve better than to be taught by someone who actively despises women as deeply as you do. It’s so sad to watch. I’d suggest therapy, but I think your self-loathing goes too deep for that.

There is nothing misogynistic about not wanting pervy old women strutting around the locker room buck naked because they have some kind of exhibitionism fetish.

Wow. You are profoundly messed up.

I’m not the exhibitionist making everyone else uncomfortable in the locker room with my fetish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a way we can separate the two issues of locker rooms and restrooms? The locker room issue is much more controversial, sensitive and complex.
But can we agree that trans children and teens using a bathroom stall is a nothingburger???

Most public restrooms (including in many schools I've been in) do not have complete privacy in the bathroom stalls. There is often a huge gap (more than an inch!) between the door and the stall frame. I've accidentally made eye contact with someone in a stall when glancing to determine if someone is in there!
So to me, it is definitely not a "nothingburger."

[Anonymous]

Can we instead focus on the fact that our schools are going to lose some of their funding. what is the plan for replacing this funding or cutting costs? Or did the school boards do this without a plan, which would be a disservice to all students (trans or cis).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way we can separate the two issues of locker rooms and restrooms? The locker room issue is much more controversial, sensitive and complex.
But can we agree that trans children and teens using a bathroom stall is a nothingburger???

Most public restrooms (including in many schools I've been in) do not have complete privacy in the bathroom stalls. There is often a huge gap (more than an inch!) between the door and the stall frame. I've accidentally made eye contact with someone in a stall when glancing to determine if someone is in there!
So to me, it is definitely not a "nothingburger."

Ewww. Why are you looking in stalls?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we instead focus on the fact that our schools are going to lose some of their funding. what is the plan for replacing this funding or cutting costs? Or did the school boards do this without a plan, which would be a disservice to all students (trans or cis).

I'm the OP of this thread.
I read an article today that says the schools will be able to request reimbursement for expenditures.
https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/5-northern-virginia-school-districts-placed-on-high-risk-status-after-not-changing-bathroom-policies/article_5453d038-678d-49f8-90a8-13b02cb7f3e4.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawMSonJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHtrWuYw_99XtSn-Qn52CWv1IFca8osVo3X6IgSLkKtG3yDYWW3An0jqe0Dx2_aem_xDYJdvPK21ANakpJhjcj5g

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like APS wasting money litigating this fringe issue

It’a not a fringe issue. APS is following court precedent in Grimm. It’s Trump admin not following the law by trying to take away their funding for not following his executive order. But court precedent and law trumps his executive order.

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Anonymous wrote:I doubt any of the anti trans posters have even been in a high school recently. 90% of kids don’t change where I teach anymore, they just wear comfy clothes to school and throw on sneakers. Locker rooms aren’t a huge deal. Certainly no showers or naked displays.

Bathrooms are behind a stall door so again, not sure what anyone thinks they’ll see.

If you’re truly worried about sex offenders in locker rooms and bathrooms, not trans children, let’s brainstorm ways to stop that.

EXACTLY.

That Arlington predator wasn't allowed in either bathroom.

My two APS teens have never changed in an open locker room, either for gym or varsity sports.

The only naked people I've seen in locker rooms in the last decade are older ladies at the pool who are creepy exhibitionists.

It is interesting how the sexism, misogyny, and ageism of trans activists always seeps out. They can’t keep it in, for whatever reason. It is just a core part of who they are, I guess.

I think this is part of the reason a lot of trans rights issues have become approximately 90/10 issues (including Gen Z).

It’s odd how the schools are taking such an unprincipled and unpopular stance. They could compromise (create a safe third space for trans kids, address sports on a case by case basis, etc) but they are so determined to fight for the rights of misogynists that they can’t back down.

I’m a Millennial who has noted for years (well before the current GOP trans panic) that the only people parading around locker rooms nude are old ladies, and when I say parade, I mean parade. As in, awkward changing my 3 year old in there parade. Blow drying the hair, applying the makeup, reorganizing the gym bag, and shooting the breeze completely nude. From what my husband told me, it’s the same in the men’s room.

If it’s ageist and sexist to speak the truth, I’m guilty as charged. Now put some clothes on, there are kids present.

I hope you don’t have daughters. They deserve better than to be taught by someone who actively despises women as deeply as you do. It’s so sad to watch. I’d suggest therapy, but I think your self-loathing goes too deep for that.

There is nothing misogynistic about not wanting pervy old women strutting around the locker room buck naked because they have some kind of exhibitionism fetish.

Wow. You are profoundly messed up.

I’m not the exhibitionist making everyone else uncomfortable in the locker room with my fetish.

So incredibly messed up. My God.

[Anonymous]

Anyone here a lawyer that has an opinion worth hearing? Do these districts stand a chance in court?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in an elementary school and have a son so I don’t feel like there’s a huge impact in my life but I can understand that if I had a daughter, I might feel differently. For what it’s worth we have several children who are trans at my school and they’re welcome to use the adult single bathroom if they choose (that has its own issues, but it’s not a big deal, generally none of them take the offer)

And this is how it should be. Offer a private neutral bathroom. And no, I don’t want biological males using girls locker rooms as they please.

[Anonymous]

I would like to see data how many trans students there are in each of the districts and by how much this percentage has been variable or increased over the last 1, 5, 10 years. The most reasonable thing is to offer private bathrooms to non-transitioned students, if they wish to use those. The only ones winning in the current battle are all the lawyers and law firms.