UVA President resigns under pressure

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Anonymous wrote:From trump because of DEI. Bastards! Why do they hate this much?

https://apnews.com/article/university-of-virginia-dei-james-ryan-6f8cfc43738944ca8164ab20814c5695

Because its a violation of our civil rights laws. Omg, why can't you guys get it? We arent going to make it legal to discriminate against white people and Asians. Okay? Give it up.

Stop lying. You are scared that if a TRUE merit system is in place, white people won't have the only seats at the table. Oh you poor, poor, unqualified white people.

So many in this thread live in bizarro world.

DEI is not based on merit.

Correct. This is what DEI means: we will not hire primarily based upon merit, experience, or education but by gender (female), sexuality (LGBTQ), and ethnicity (non-White). This is because of our perceived injustices in the past; therefore, in our wisdom, two wrongs actually do make a right.

No, what DEI means is that given two equal candidates, if one is from a "protected class" they should be given the nod. No one is hiring underqualified or unqualified candidates.

You are absolutely wrong about that. Unqualified candidates are hired ALL the time.

Pete Hegseth anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Asian female and despise DEI. That being said, I despise Trump and his admin even more!

To me, DEI as a concept is wrong. Merit has to come first. Always. A person will succeed but it has to be on their efforts not because they are white or black or yellow or whatever. DEI is an insult to anyone who has any self respect and most people who are condoning it are white who think they know why it's important. I've never met a self respecting minority who wholly embraces DEI because they would not be judged on their merits but many of course love that they don't need to be and that's why it can exist.

I don't agree either with Miller's ilk pushing this in a manner that's strong arming those in leadership. It ought to be a debated policy change. I don't think it hurts whites as much as it's unfair to them and unfair to anyone who cares about merit. But taking down this policy isn't about ordering it, rather needs to be a process that isn't based on fear tactics.

I agree with the bolded. The precedent that has been set in terms of government overreach and use of fear tactics is what bothers me the most about this case.

On the DEI issue, if you are Asian then at some point in time someone in your family line came from a largely homogenous Asian country. My roots are in a super homogenous European country where university admission is entirely based on performance on a single annual university entry exam--and nothing else. That's probably also the case in the Asian country(its) your relatives came from. But the US's experience is very different. It is a country of immigrants and has a history of forced migration (slavery), so it is very different than more homogenous countries that haven't had this experience. Can you understand why the approach here might be different and why addressing differences in access to employment, college admission, etc. may be necessary in such a heterogenous society?

It has been over 150 years since the emancipation of slaves.
It has been over 50 years since the civil rights movement.
Immigrants frequently come to this country with little to nothing and achieve success.
I don't know of many other places in this world where this is true.
So, no I do not understand why there have to be racial preferences that mostly help african and Caribbean immigrants over the descendants of slaves and help hispanics more frequently than the asians they used to lynch.

Why, then, does the following wage gap exist between WHITE MEN and the following categories of people?

Women (overall): 83 cents (17% gap)

White women: 83 cents (17% gap)

Black women: 70 cents (30% gap)

Hispanic women: 65 cents (35% gap)

Asian women: 93 cents (7% gap)

Black men: 73 cents (27% gap)

Hispanic men: 69 cents (31% gap)

[Anonymous]

UVA overall is a very conservative school. I didn't find anything this president did to be "woke" or "liberal" at all?

[Anonymous]

UVA is going to get an earful from me the next time they call asking for money.

Signed, an extremely disappointed alum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is going to get an earful from me the next time they call asking for money.

Signed, an extremely disappointed alum.

I'm the parent of a UVA student. I still support the school. How is it UVA's fault that Ryan resigned when the school was threatened with the loss of hundreds of millions of federal dollars if he didn't?

[Anonymous]

DEI is not just about admissions. All students learn from the diverse experiences of their classmates, roommates, professors. I grew up overseas, and had never met a Jewish person until I went to college here in the States. Both of us learned about our experiences. Being exposed to diverse populations makes you into a better professional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From trump because of DEI. Bastards! Why do they hate this much?

https://apnews.com/article/university-of-virginia-dei-james-ryan-6f8cfc43738944ca8164ab20814c5695

Because its a violation of our civil rights laws. Omg, why can't you guys get it? We arent going to make it legal to discriminate against white people and Asians. Okay? Give it up.

Its because of discrimination and the abundance of medicore white guys that making the process fair was needed. But I guess MAGA wants to return to the days when people like JD Vance and Clarence Thomas would never be accepted to elite universities.

If white men have an average SAT score and GPA that is higher than black men, but the white men are “mediocre white guys” in your mind, then what does that make black men? Logically it’s not good.

A higher SAT average doesn't make the white men any smarter, or worthier to attend these institutions than the POCs who have the brains but no access to the resources (legacy being one of the resources) those "mediocre white guys" are born into.

As for us Asians, the revenge of the mediocre white guys is just a matter of time.

DP. You're aware that UVA (and most other schools) have done away with legacy admissions too, right? Why are you against merit-based admissions?

Fear of rejection based on merit.

DP. Just as DEI has no agreed upon definition, merit increasingly doesn’t either.

Grades, rigor of classes taken, standardized test scores, extra curricular activities, work history

Go back to this. Weight work and extra curricular evenly. Stop the essays unless they're proctored.

[Anonymous]

^^ If you're worried about ppl with $ gaming then have everyone submit test scores with a 3 limit max attempts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DEI is not just about admissions. All students learn from the diverse experiences of their classmates, roommates, professors. I grew up overseas, and had never met a Jewish person until I went to college here in the States. Both of us learned about our experiences. Being exposed to diverse populations makes you into a better professional.

Amen, sister/brother. I also grew up overseas and then came to the States for college. Up to that point I had only met one Jewish family and one Mormon family. I didn't go to school with a single Black person until 10th grade (and even then it was only a handful of students). I then attended a large, urban, diverse East Coast university with lots of international students and met all kinds of people, which was a real education in itself, despite already having lived in 8 other countries. I celebrate that my DC, who did not grow up overseas, made close friends at UVA to be specific with several foreign students (who happened to be from authoritarian countries, which was a real eye-opener for her), several first-gen individuals, and even a super-religious American roommate who she probably would never have met IRL since we are not a religious family. The LAST thing I would have wanted for her was to only meet people like the ones she went to HS with in our UMD community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DEI is not just about admissions. All students learn from the diverse experiences of their classmates, roommates, professors. I grew up overseas, and had never met a Jewish person until I went to college here in the States. Both of us learned about our experiences. Being exposed to diverse populations makes you into a better professional.

No doubt, but the issue isn't whether a diverse student population has some benefits, but whether it takes an unethically and illegal discriminatory thumb on the admission scale to achieve it. A Jewish person with a suitable GPA and test scores should be admitted without their Jewishness being an enhancing or detracting factor, and someone who is not Jewish but with the same credentials should not be denied admission for failing to be Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From trump because of DEI. Bastards! Why do they hate this much?

https://apnews.com/article/university-of-virginia-dei-james-ryan-6f8cfc43738944ca8164ab20814c5695

Because its a violation of our civil rights laws. Omg, why can't you guys get it? We arent going to make it legal to discriminate against white people and Asians. Okay? Give it up.

Its because of discrimination and the abundance of medicore white guys that making the process fair was needed. But I guess MAGA wants to return to the days when people like JD Vance and Clarence Thomas would never be accepted to elite universities.

If white men have an average SAT score and GPA that is higher than black men, but the white men are “mediocre white guys” in your mind, then what does that make black men? Logically it’s not good.

A higher SAT average doesn't make the white men any smarter, or worthier to attend these institutions than the POCs who have the brains but no access to the resources (legacy being one of the resources) those "mediocre white guys" are born into.

As for us Asians, the revenge of the mediocre white guys is just a matter of time.

DP. You're aware that UVA (and most other schools) have done away with legacy admissions too, right? Why are you against merit-based admissions?

Fear of rejection based on merit.

DP. Just as DEI has no agreed upon definition, merit increasingly doesn’t either.

Grades, rigor of classes taken, standardized test scores, extra curricular activities, work history

Go back to this. Weight work and extra curricular evenly. Stop the essays unless they're proctored.

Why not just drop the extra-curricular and work history as well? They are not required in other countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DEI is not just about admissions. All students learn from the diverse experiences of their classmates, roommates, professors. I grew up overseas, and had never met a Jewish person until I went to college here in the States. Both of us learned about our experiences. Being exposed to diverse populations makes you into a better professional.

No doubt, but the issue isn't whether a diverse student population has some benefits, but whether it takes an unethically and illegal discriminatory thumb on the admission scale to achieve it. A Jewish person with a suitable GPA and test scores should be admitted without their Jewishness being an enhancing or detracting factor, and someone who is not Jewish but with the same credentials should not be denied admission for failing to be Jewish.

How do universities know for a fact that someone is Jewish? UVA does not ask for religious affiliation on its application. While the Common Application, which UVA uses, previously included an optional religion question, it was eliminated in 2021. UVA does not include it in their supplemental application either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From trump because of DEI. Bastards! Why do they hate this much?

https://apnews.com/article/university-of-virginia-dei-james-ryan-6f8cfc43738944ca8164ab20814c5695

Because its a violation of our civil rights laws. Omg, why can't you guys get it? We arent going to make it legal to discriminate against white people and Asians. Okay? Give it up.

Its because of discrimination and the abundance of medicore white guys that making the process fair was needed. But I guess MAGA wants to return to the days when people like JD Vance and Clarence Thomas would never be accepted to elite universities.

If white men have an average SAT score and GPA that is higher than black men, but the white men are “mediocre white guys” in your mind, then what does that make black men? Logically it’s not good.

A higher SAT average doesn't make the white men any smarter, or worthier to attend these institutions than the POCs who have the brains but no access to the resources (legacy being one of the resources) those "mediocre white guys" are born into.

As for us Asians, the revenge of the mediocre white guys is just a matter of time.

DP. You're aware that UVA (and most other schools) have done away with legacy admissions too, right? Why are you against merit-based admissions?

Fear of rejection based on merit.

DP. Just as DEI has no agreed upon definition, merit increasingly doesn’t either.

Grades, rigor of classes taken, standardized test scores, extra curricular activities, work history

Go back to this. Weight work and extra curricular evenly. Stop the essays unless they're proctored.

Why not just drop the extra-curricular and work history as well? They are not required in other countries.

We are not other countries, we are this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA overall is a very conservative school. I didn't find anything this president did to be "woke" or "liberal" at all?

You're wrong though. It's not considered a conservative school, much less "very conservative." It's considered centrist. It's really telling that a balanced school is now considered exactly the same as Hillsdale or Liberty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an Asian female and despise DEI. That being said, I despise Trump and his admin even more!

To me, DEI as a concept is wrong. Merit has to come first. Always. A person will succeed but it has to be on their efforts not because they are white or black or yellow or whatever. DEI is an insult to anyone who has any self respect and most people who are condoning it are white who think they know why it's important. I've never met a self respecting minority who wholly embraces DEI because they would not be judged on their merits but many of course love that they don't need to be and that's why it can exist.

I don't agree either with Miller's ilk pushing this in a manner that's strong arming those in leadership. It ought to be a debated policy change. I don't think it hurts whites as much as it's unfair to them and unfair to anyone who cares about merit. But taking down this policy isn't about ordering it, rather needs to be a process that isn't based on fear tactics.

I agree with the bolded. The precedent that has been set in terms of government overreach and use of fear tactics is what bothers me the most about this case.

On the DEI issue, if you are Asian then at some point in time someone in your family line came from a largely homogenous Asian country. My roots are in a super homogenous European country where university admission is entirely based on performance on a single annual university entry exam--and nothing else. That's probably also the case in the Asian country(its) your relatives came from. But the US's experience is very different. It is a country of immigrants and has a history of forced migration (slavery), so it is very different than more homogenous countries that haven't had this experience. Can you understand why the approach here might be different and why addressing differences in access to employment, college admission, etc. may be necessary in such a heterogenous society?

It has been over 150 years since the emancipation of slaves.
It has been over 50 years since the civil rights movement.
Immigrants frequently come to this country with little to nothing and achieve success.
I don't know of many other places in this world where this is true.
So, no I do not understand why there have to be racial preferences that mostly help african and Caribbean immigrants over the descendants of slaves and help hispanics more frequently than the asians they used to lynch.

Why, then, does the following wage gap exist between WHITE MEN and the following categories of people?

Women (overall): 83 cents (17% gap)

White women: 83 cents (17% gap)

Black women: 70 cents (30% gap)

Hispanic women: 65 cents (35% gap)

Asian women: 93 cents (7% gap)

Black men: 73 cents (27% gap)

Hispanic men: 69 cents (31% gap)

It's not exactly a secret that there are variations in test scores among these demographics, and also emphasis on academics, tendency toward crime, marriage rates and other factors that have a huge influence on economic outcomes.