Why is ICE only going after the low-hanging fruit?

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Anonymous wrote:Look at these ridiculous people wearing night vision to arrest a guy on a southwest flight in broad daylight:

Doing way too much.

Dressed for combat to arrest a guy who has gone thru security screening and clearly has no weapons on him.

These Proud Boys are cosplaying in ICE and having a "good time" while not taking any risks whatsoever.

Of course they aren't going after gang members who actually might fight back.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it seems you're angry that ICE is picking up illegals. While I sympathize with illegals to an extent, they're not here lawfully. I could speculate on why you're determined to insist they be allowed to stay, but that's besides the point. They're taking up resources the U.S. can ill afford to provide to them. Our hospital are overflowing with illegal aliens who take advantage of the law to get free medical care, sticking the rest of us with the unpaid bills. I 100% know you realize that, but you just don't care. Those construction jobs you were referring to? Back in the day before the U.S. filled with undocumented workers, construction work paid well enough that employees could lead nice blue collar lifestyles on the pay. No more. There are plenty of small town folk who would gladly take those jobs, only they've gone to cheap undocumented employees. You know that too, but you just don't care.

Yes, I think what the ICE agents are doing is despicable. There's no honor in standing outside of an immigration court - a court specifically designed for those following the correct path to citizenship - and rounding them up. That's the equivalent of paying money to go on a hunting safari at an animal park where the animals are bred in captivity for hunting and posting a photo on social media of your big kill. Pathetic.

What resources are they taking up? Provide proof.

The #1 recipient of Medicaid is white people. Here's proof. https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/data-and-systems/downloads/macbis/2020-race-etncity-data-brf.pdf

Illegals can't get free healthcare in most states. I live in VA. Here's what it says for VA:
Can Undocumented Immigrants Get Free Or Low-Cost Healthcare in Virginia?
No, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for free or low-cost healthcare in Virginia. However, Virginia does provide some limited health care services to undocumented immigrants. These services include emergency care and essential medical services for certain conditions such as tuberculosis, HIV/AIDS, and cancer. Furthermore, local and community health centers may also provide care to undocumented immigrants on a sliding scale fee basis.

Can Undocumented Immigrants Get Health Insurance From Aca Marketplace in Virginia?
No, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to purchase health insurance from the ACA Marketplace in Virginia, or any other state. Only individuals with valid Social Security numbers or with U.S. citizenship status are eligible to buy through the ACA Marketplace.

Children and pregnant women can get Medicaid in VA if they meet certain requirements. https://www.uscisguide.com/undocumented-immigrant/undocumented-immigrants-healthcare-benefits-in-virginia/

And the reason why those good blue collar jobs went to immigrants instead of white people? Because of our society's push for college for all. That's the reason. I was in HS in this area from 1996-2000. It was drilled into our heads that college = success. The only kids who were even allowed to do VoTech courses were those who made the worst grades or were POC. The kids that the school knew would never be able to go to college. So it looked better for the school to be able to say 100% graduation rate with 90% off to a 4-year school, 5% off to community college, 5% graduating with degrees/certifications in service industry jobs that they got through VoTech. The push for all HS seniors to go to college created the huge need for blue collar workers and not enough bodies to fill those jobs. Enter immigrants. They didn't STEAL the jobs as so many like to claim. They took the vacant jobs that white, educated men no longer wanted after finishing college. That's what has created the predicament we're in now of most degrees being worthless because everyone has one. When everyone's special, no one is special.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-migrants-stealing-jobs-experts-debunk-1939983
and https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/despite-trumps-claims-data-shows-migrants-arent-taking-jobs-from-black-or-hispanic-people
and https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/545572-immigrants-do-not-steal-our-jobs-they-create-them-in-the-economy/

So now that FL is out hundreds of construction workers on the new FSU housing site, why are there not lines of white and black FL workers lining up for those jobs? It's summer break. FL is teeming with college-aged men. Why are restaurants closed instead of opened with white and black workers replacing the Hispanic workers that were taken?

I grew up with a blue collar worker dad and a mom who worked as an office admin. No college between either of them. They provided excellent middle class lives for us. You cannot do that today. The pay hasn't kept up with the inflation of everything else. The house that my parents bought and raised us in back in 1992 was $169k and it just went on the market and sold for $990k. A tow truck driver and an office admin can't provide the quality of life today that my parents did years ago. But you know how the immigrants are able to provide good lives for their kids doing these jobs? Because they have multiple jobs and multiple family members living together to survive.

The “free” healthcare illegals get is via the ER. The rest of us pay for it via expensive Tylenol up charge.

That's how my white brother gets his healthcare. He doesn't have insurance. He doesn't have a job that provides it and doesn't believe in the ACA. When he's sick enough, he goes to the ER. When he gets the bill, he fills out the paperwork that he has no private insurance and then provides 2 paystubs to prove his wages to get the bill forgiven. He's a bartender, so he always has checks that show he's "poor" when he's not really poor. They have no idea that he walks out of there into his $80k truck that he drives home to his $700k house.

Be angry at the system not those using the system.

Now I know you're lying to make a point. No white American is going to go through the hospital system without providing identification and without getting hounded into the next century for payment. Illegal aliens take advantage of their status to use the hospital system knowing they can't get turned away.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it seems you're angry that ICE is picking up illegals. While I sympathize with illegals to an extent, they're not here lawfully. I could speculate on why you're determined to insist they be allowed to stay, but that's besides the point. They're taking up resources the U.S. can ill afford to provide to them. Our hospital are overflowing with illegal aliens who take advantage of the law to get free medical care, sticking the rest of us with the unpaid bills. I 100% know you realize that, but you just don't care. Those construction jobs you were referring to? Back in the day before the U.S. filled with undocumented workers, construction work paid well enough that employees could lead nice blue collar lifestyles on the pay. No more. There are plenty of small town folk who would gladly take those jobs, only they've gone to cheap undocumented employees. You know that too, but you just don't care.

Yes, I think what the ICE agents are doing is despicable. There's no honor in standing outside of an immigration court - a court specifically designed for those following the correct path to citizenship - and rounding them up. That's the equivalent of paying money to go on a hunting safari at an animal park where the animals are bred in captivity for hunting and posting a photo on social media of your big kill. Pathetic.

What resources are they taking up? Provide proof.

The #1 recipient of Medicaid is white people. Here's proof. https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/data-and-systems/downloads/macbis/2020-race-etncity-data-brf.pdf

Illegals can't get free healthcare in most states. I live in VA. Here's what it says for VA:
Can Undocumented Immigrants Get Free Or Low-Cost Healthcare in Virginia?
No, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for free or low-cost healthcare in Virginia. However, Virginia does provide some limited health care services to undocumented immigrants. These services include emergency care and essential medical services for certain conditions such as tuberculosis, HIV/AIDS, and cancer. Furthermore, local and community health centers may also provide care to undocumented immigrants on a sliding scale fee basis.

Can Undocumented Immigrants Get Health Insurance From Aca Marketplace in Virginia?
No, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to purchase health insurance from the ACA Marketplace in Virginia, or any other state. Only individuals with valid Social Security numbers or with U.S. citizenship status are eligible to buy through the ACA Marketplace.

Children and pregnant women can get Medicaid in VA if they meet certain requirements. https://www.uscisguide.com/undocumented-immigrant/undocumented-immigrants-healthcare-benefits-in-virginia/

And the reason why those good blue collar jobs went to immigrants instead of white people? Because of our society's push for college for all. That's the reason. I was in HS in this area from 1996-2000. It was drilled into our heads that college = success. The only kids who were even allowed to do VoTech courses were those who made the worst grades or were POC. The kids that the school knew would never be able to go to college. So it looked better for the school to be able to say 100% graduation rate with 90% off to a 4-year school, 5% off to community college, 5% graduating with degrees/certifications in service industry jobs that they got through VoTech. The push for all HS seniors to go to college created the huge need for blue collar workers and not enough bodies to fill those jobs. Enter immigrants. They didn't STEAL the jobs as so many like to claim. They took the vacant jobs that white, educated men no longer wanted after finishing college. That's what has created the predicament we're in now of most degrees being worthless because everyone has one. When everyone's special, no one is special.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-migrants-stealing-jobs-experts-debunk-1939983
and https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/despite-trumps-claims-data-shows-migrants-arent-taking-jobs-from-black-or-hispanic-people
and https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/545572-immigrants-do-not-steal-our-jobs-they-create-them-in-the-economy/

So now that FL is out hundreds of construction workers on the new FSU housing site, why are there not lines of white and black FL workers lining up for those jobs? It's summer break. FL is teeming with college-aged men. Why are restaurants closed instead of opened with white and black workers replacing the Hispanic workers that were taken?

I grew up with a blue collar worker dad and a mom who worked as an office admin. No college between either of them. They provided excellent middle class lives for us. You cannot do that today. The pay hasn't kept up with the inflation of everything else. The house that my parents bought and raised us in back in 1992 was $169k and it just went on the market and sold for $990k. A tow truck driver and an office admin can't provide the quality of life today that my parents did years ago. But you know how the immigrants are able to provide good lives for their kids doing these jobs? Because they have multiple jobs and multiple family members living together to survive.

The “free” healthcare illegals get is via the ER. The rest of us pay for it via expensive Tylenol up charge.

That's how my white brother gets his healthcare. He doesn't have insurance. He doesn't have a job that provides it and doesn't believe in the ACA. When he's sick enough, he goes to the ER. When he gets the bill, he fills out the paperwork that he has no private insurance and then provides 2 paystubs to prove his wages to get the bill forgiven. He's a bartender, so he always has checks that show he's "poor" when he's not really poor. They have no idea that he walks out of there into his $80k truck that he drives home to his $700k house.

Be angry at the system not those using the system.

Now I know you're lying to make a point. No white American is going to go through the hospital system without providing identification and without getting hounded into the next century for payment. Illegal aliens take advantage of their status to use the hospital system knowing they can't get turned away.

DP

People don’t go to the hospital to “take advantage”. They go to the hospital because it’s their only option and usually after a long period of not getting regular medical care that might have prevented the necessity for the hospital visit.

Save your anger for their employers who don’t give them insurance.

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Hey, OP.

It is clear that even people who *appear* to be making an effort to stay legally can be threats to our safety. Colorado proved that.

People who have entered illegally have proven they will break the law. Time for them to go.

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Anonymous wrote:He applied for asylum while he was here legally in 2022. He was granted a work permit a month after his visa ran out. That doesn’t sound like he overstayed his visa. He overstayed his visa in 2025, and Trump admin had not picked him up.

You’re flat out wrong. WSJ and NyT said he overstayed his tourist visa in 2023 when it expired after his 2022 arrival.

Democrat here and I’m fine with kicking out people who overstay their visas. But let’s start with Elon.

Musk says he was allowed to legally work in the U.S. during that period. "I was on a J-1 visa that transitioned to an H1-B," he said on his social media platform X.

Let’s stop prosecuting people in the media.

That's interesting since most J-1 visas require you return to your home country for 2 years before you're allowed to get an H visa.

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Kids here for cancer treatment. Kids in high school.

Bait and switch, like everything else this guy sells.

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Which Democrat will be the first to step up and oppose the deportation of this terrorist’s family?

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Anonymous wrote:Look at these ridiculous people wearing night vision to arrest a guy on a southwest flight in broad daylight:

Doing way too much.

Dressed for combat to arrest a guy who has gone thru security screening and clearly has no weapons on him.

These Proud Boys are cosplaying in ICE and having a "good time" while not taking any risks whatsoever.

Of course they aren't going after gang members who actually might fight back.

They are just in it for the Grindr proximity alerts.

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Anonymous wrote:Which Democrat will be the first to step up and oppose the deportation of this terrorist’s family?

I don’t know, are they terrorists, too? Are they victims of their patriarch’s terror? It’s like a whole thing with thinking things through based on evidence. You would understand.

Maybe we should have arrested the families of the J6 terrorists.

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Elon Musk will kill more children today than illegal immigrants will kill people in a year in total. And yet here we are with the Taco Belle lovers sucking up to the Nazi South African and hating on hard-working immigrants.

“Hardworking immigrants”= illegal immigrants who work for pennies landscaping your yard, nannying your children, cleaning your house, cooking your meals.
🤡

And paying taxes and paying into Medicare that they are not eligible for

What's the problem, fool?

They get paid under the table. Stop lying.

Not all do. DACA immigrants get social security numbers. Undocumented immigrants can obtain an ITIN number that was created for tax purposes. The ITIN was created by the IRS in July 1996 to allow foreign nationals and other individuals who are not eligible for a SSN to comply with U.S. tax laws.

Illegal immigrants who are applying for citizenship and working in the US use an ITIN to pay taxes on their wages.

I’m sure,those payments will go way down with ice showing up at work sites.

In 2022 illegals immigrants paid almost $27 Billion dollars in federal, state and local taxes. On top of the services they provide for this country in picked our fruits,and vegetables, working in meat factories, construction, hospitality, childcare and many other jobs.

$27 Billion? Per year?

Cool!

That will run the U.S. federal government for one and a half days, since it costs $18 Billion to run the federal government each and every day. (2023 fed budget numbers).

Oh...wait...oops

We then have to subtract their cost to the tax payer of all the social programs and subsidies to the states for their burden.

Is it still looking cool? Oh yes, it is, right? Let me guess. Because of multiculturalism and "cultural enrichment"?

DP. Sounds like you'd love the US to be just like Japan. Despite its many successes, it is essentially a xenophobic country that is so focused on cultural homogeneity and has such strict immigration laws that "if trends continue, Japan’s population could fall to 63 million by 2100, half its 2022 level."

Oh no, not that. Not a crime-free, polite society with shared goals and interests. And saving the planet by lowering the population?

Anything but that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which Democrat will be the first to step up and oppose the deportation of this terrorist’s family?

Quick! Someone needs to save Colorado Man!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suspect in antisemitic Boulder attack was in the US illegally, DHS says

Here's what we know
• Colorado attack: A man used a flamethrower and Molotov cocktails to set people on fire Sunday at a Jewish community event in Boulder, Colorado, held in support of hostages in Gaza. He injured at least eight people ranging in age from 52 to 88 — including a Holocaust survivor — before being detained.

• Suspect identified: The FBI identified the lone suspect as Mohamed Sabry Soliman and said he yelled “Free Palestine!” during the attack. He faces multiple felony charges and is expected to appear in court later this afternoon.

• Suspect’s history: Soliman had applied for asylum in the US and was denied a visa to enter the country in 2005, sources told CNN. He was in the US illegally, a Homeland Security official said today. The suspect entered the US in August 2022 as a non-immigrant visitor and was granted a two-year work authorization in March 2023. That visa expired earlier this year.

• Community outcry: Jewish leaders called for action against attacks on their community in the wake of rising antisemitic violence and threats. Less than two weeks ago, two Israeli Embassy staff members were shot dead in Washington, DC, by an attacker who yelled “Free Palestine!” while being arrested.
https://www.cnn.com/us/li...k-06-01-25

Wish they would have gotten this guy before he took his homemade flame thrower and burned a bunch of innocent people.

BTW he wss denied gun purchase per background check.

Source: J. Bishop Grewell, Acting U.S. Attorney for Colorado

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Anonymous wrote:Suspect in antisemitic Boulder attack was in the US illegally, DHS says

Here's what we know
• Colorado attack: A man used a flamethrower and Molotov cocktails to set people on fire Sunday at a Jewish community event in Boulder, Colorado, held in support of hostages in Gaza. He injured at least eight people ranging in age from 52 to 88 — including a Holocaust survivor — before being detained.

• Suspect identified: The FBI identified the lone suspect as Mohamed Sabry Soliman and said he yelled “Free Palestine!” during the attack. He faces multiple felony charges and is expected to appear in court later this afternoon.

• Suspect’s history: Soliman had applied for asylum in the US and was denied a visa to enter the country in 2005, sources told CNN. He was in the US illegally, a Homeland Security official said today. The suspect entered the US in August 2022 as a non-immigrant visitor and was granted a two-year work authorization in March 2023. That visa expired earlier this year.

• Community outcry: Jewish leaders called for action against attacks on their community in the wake of rising antisemitic violence and threats. Less than two weeks ago, two Israeli Embassy staff members were shot dead in Washington, DC, by an attacker who yelled “Free Palestine!” while being arrested.
https://www.cnn.com/us/li...k-06-01-25

Wish they would have gotten this guy before he took his homemade flame thrower and burned a bunch of innocent people.

The trump administration is going to blame every crime (except the ones they area committing) on someone here illegally. this is an ongoing lie campagin to get people to allow for martial law and the suspension of elections in 2026 and thereafter. Book it.

So the guy burning innocent elderly American Jewish people with molotov cocktails and a homemade flame thrower was a good guy, according to democratic pp.

Figures.

Typical MAGA. You invent a narrative in your head and run with it as fact.

Where is anyone defending that POS? No one is.

Everyone is saying that if DHS-ICE focused their resources on tracking down those who overstayed their Visas, he might have been off the streets by now. And immediately after he does, DHS is able to give a lengthy history on him and say that he's been making plans like this for a year. In an entire year, no one noticed? No red flags went up? I call BS. Why not? We need answers immediately.

Biden knew he had overstated his visa yet gave this Jew hating terrorist a work permit!

Why wouldn’t Biden know? ICE should know and go get him.

Once we get back to doing science again, will be able to study in depth the Maga Biden, delusions

Explain how someone with a pending asylum case and a work visa issued by Biden could have been deported by Trump without some circuit court putting a hold on it.

This is the crux of the immigration issue. Trump is working to get illegal aliens out of our country and democrats are working desperately to prevent him from doing that and keeping illegal aliens here - even those who have committed violent crimes. Quite a stark difference.

DP. It’s not an either or. You can still give people a chance to be heard before deporting them. For example by hiring more asylum officers and immigration judges. But instead they’d rather waste money by illegally firing a bunch of feds and then paying them out down the line because they didn’t want to use appropriate procedures.

They are here illegally. If they wanted to apply for asylum, they could have done that when they showed up. Instead they wait until they are caught. This is just an attempt to avoid deportation, not actual fear of something from which they are requesting sanctuary.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at these ridiculous people wearing night vision to arrest a guy on a southwest flight in broad daylight:

That is not an ICE arrest, idiots. They don't have on ICE uniforms.
According to Nick Beres, Channel 5 in Nashville, the plane was diverted because the wife of a passenger called in a bomb threat. Accused her husband of having a bomb.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it seems you're angry that ICE is picking up illegals. While I sympathize with illegals to an extent, they're not here lawfully. I could speculate on why you're determined to insist they be allowed to stay, but that's besides the point. They're taking up resources the U.S. can ill afford to provide to them. Our hospital are overflowing with illegal aliens who take advantage of the law to get free medical care, sticking the rest of us with the unpaid bills. I 100% know you realize that, but you just don't care. Those construction jobs you were referring to? Back in the day before the U.S. filled with undocumented workers, construction work paid well enough that employees could lead nice blue collar lifestyles on the pay. No more. There are plenty of small town folk who would gladly take those jobs, only they've gone to cheap undocumented employees. You know that too, but you just don't care.

Yes, I think what the ICE agents are doing is despicable. There's no honor in standing outside of an immigration court - a court specifically designed for those following the correct path to citizenship - and rounding them up. That's the equivalent of paying money to go on a hunting safari at an animal park where the animals are bred in captivity for hunting and posting a photo on social media of your big kill. Pathetic.

What resources are they taking up? Provide proof.

The #1 recipient of Medicaid is white people. Here's proof. https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/data-and-systems/downloads/macbis/2020-race-etncity-data-brf.pdf

Illegals can't get free healthcare in most states. I live in VA. Here's what it says for VA:
Can Undocumented Immigrants Get Free Or Low-Cost Healthcare in Virginia?
No, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for free or low-cost healthcare in Virginia. However, Virginia does provide some limited health care services to undocumented immigrants. These services include emergency care and essential medical services for certain conditions such as tuberculosis, HIV/AIDS, and cancer. Furthermore, local and community health centers may also provide care to undocumented immigrants on a sliding scale fee basis.

Can Undocumented Immigrants Get Health Insurance From Aca Marketplace in Virginia?
No, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to purchase health insurance from the ACA Marketplace in Virginia, or any other state. Only individuals with valid Social Security numbers or with U.S. citizenship status are eligible to buy through the ACA Marketplace.

Children and pregnant women can get Medicaid in VA if they meet certain requirements. https://www.uscisguide.com/undocumented-immigrant/undocumented-immigrants-healthcare-benefits-in-virginia/

And the reason why those good blue collar jobs went to immigrants instead of white people? Because of our society's push for college for all. That's the reason. I was in HS in this area from 1996-2000. It was drilled into our heads that college = success. The only kids who were even allowed to do VoTech courses were those who made the worst grades or were POC. The kids that the school knew would never be able to go to college. So it looked better for the school to be able to say 100% graduation rate with 90% off to a 4-year school, 5% off to community college, 5% graduating with degrees/certifications in service industry jobs that they got through VoTech. The push for all HS seniors to go to college created the huge need for blue collar workers and not enough bodies to fill those jobs. Enter immigrants. They didn't STEAL the jobs as so many like to claim. They took the vacant jobs that white, educated men no longer wanted after finishing college. That's what has created the predicament we're in now of most degrees being worthless because everyone has one. When everyone's special, no one is special.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-migrants-stealing-jobs-experts-debunk-1939983
and https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/despite-trumps-claims-data-shows-migrants-arent-taking-jobs-from-black-or-hispanic-people
and https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/545572-immigrants-do-not-steal-our-jobs-they-create-them-in-the-economy/

So now that FL is out hundreds of construction workers on the new FSU housing site, why are there not lines of white and black FL workers lining up for those jobs? It's summer break. FL is teeming with college-aged men. Why are restaurants closed instead of opened with white and black workers replacing the Hispanic workers that were taken?

I grew up with a blue collar worker dad and a mom who worked as an office admin. No college between either of them. They provided excellent middle class lives for us. You cannot do that today. The pay hasn't kept up with the inflation of everything else. The house that my parents bought and raised us in back in 1992 was $169k and it just went on the market and sold for $990k. A tow truck driver and an office admin can't provide the quality of life today that my parents did years ago. But you know how the immigrants are able to provide good lives for their kids doing these jobs? Because they have multiple jobs and multiple family members living together to survive.

The “free” healthcare illegals get is via the ER. The rest of us pay for it via expensive Tylenol up charge.

That's how my white brother gets his healthcare. He doesn't have insurance. He doesn't have a job that provides it and doesn't believe in the ACA. When he's sick enough, he goes to the ER. When he gets the bill, he fills out the paperwork that he has no private insurance and then provides 2 paystubs to prove his wages to get the bill forgiven. He's a bartender, so he always has checks that show he's "poor" when he's not really poor. They have no idea that he walks out of there into his $80k truck that he drives home to his $700k house.

Be angry at the system not those using the system.

Now I know you're lying to make a point. No white American is going to go through the hospital system without providing identification and without getting hounded into the next century for payment. Illegal aliens take advantage of their status to use the hospital system knowing they can't get turned away.

Poor white people get free healthcare all the time in the ER.

Only private ERs can refuse to treat you without payment. INOVAS in this area cannot do that. The lady from billing comes to speak with you and tells if you can't make a payment that day, you'll be billed. If you think you qualify for forgiveness, fill out the packet of paperwork that she provides and submit the proof needed. He has gout and has done this numerous times with bad flareups that led to cellulitis. He's always been above to prove indigency and gotten the bills forgiven.