Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles

[Anonymous]

“The largest measles outbreak in decades has reached San Antonio and San Marcos, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services.

Officials say an individual who tested positive for the virus in West Texas traveled to two major universities and one of the nation's busiest tourist attractions — the San Antonio River Walk.”
https://www.tpr.org/public-health/2025-02-23/breaking-news-possible-measles-exposures-in-san-antonio

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Retired infectious disease doctor here, who has never personally seen a case of measles. The news of the measles outbreak and death of a child is a failure for public health. In 1983, measles was nearly eradicated, but due to funding cuts to immunization programs, it survived.

In 1991, the courts ordered the vaccination of children when their fundamentalist Christian parents refused during an outbreak in Philadelphia. In 2019, an outbreak in Brooklyn among a Hasidic Jewish community resulted in court orders. I doubt the same will happen this time.

If you are reading this thread, you have likely vaccinated your kids, but on the radar of yet another thing to worry about is polio. RFK Jr has spouted some nonsense about polio vaccines in the past. A person in NY got vaccine derived polio, which happens when an unvaccinated person picks up a harmless strain from the poop of a vaccinated person, and that harmless strain of polio bounces around from unvaccinated person to unvaccinated person until it mutates and can infect unvaccinated people. Even better, the original wild type polio is still infecting people in Afghanistan. I need a glass of wine. I think this administration will help unwind so many years of progress in immunizations in the U.S.

The largest outbreak of measles in the US in the recent past was in 2019 - 1249 cases - approximately 10% of the cases were in this who were vaccinated.

Many people over the age of 70 are not vaccinated bc it is believed they would have natural immunity at least that is what the CDC said - maybe they have changed their mind? And back in 2011 another year with large outbreaks , there were calls for adults to get a measles booster and it floated around again 2019 and no doubt will begin again.

Sad fact - last year the CDC stats show that approximately 30 people died of chicken pox. It wasn’t an anomaly. People die in the US each year of infectious diseases, it just doesn’t make the news.

PP. I’ve had that glass of wine. If you are curious about your measles status, you can get a titer drawn, as several PP’s have noted already. A titer was mandatory when I was in med school, and out of a class of 150+, we all passed, thanks to MMR.

Measles is the overachiever when it comes to Hollywood style infectiousness. The R0, or R not, is a measure of infectiousness, and tells you how many community infections will result from a single case. The common cold R0 is 2-3. Flu is 1-2. Covid is 2-4. Measles is 12-18. Norovirus is only around 3-4 or so, so that should tell you something about the contagious power of measles.

The only other disease that comes close is pertussis, or whooping cough, and no surprise, that is also starting to come back.

Now that the cdc is being muzzled, it is up to our excellent and hardworking local health departments of towns, counties, and states to pick up the slack. Thank you to all of them.

Thank you for your post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Retired infectious disease doctor here, who has never personally seen a case of measles. The news of the measles outbreak and death of a child is a failure for public health. In 1983, measles was nearly eradicated, but due to funding cuts to immunization programs, it survived.

In 1991, the courts ordered the vaccination of children when their fundamentalist Christian parents refused during an outbreak in Philadelphia. In 2019, an outbreak in Brooklyn among a Hasidic Jewish community resulted in court orders. I doubt the same will happen this time.

If you are reading this thread, you have likely vaccinated your kids, but on the radar of yet another thing to worry about is polio. RFK Jr has spouted some nonsense about polio vaccines in the past. A person in NY got vaccine derived polio, which happens when an unvaccinated person picks up a harmless strain from the poop of a vaccinated person, and that harmless strain of polio bounces around from unvaccinated person to unvaccinated person until it mutates and can infect unvaccinated people. Even better, the original wild type polio is still infecting people in Afghanistan. I need a glass of wine. I think this administration will help unwind so many years of progress in immunizations in the U.S.

Everyone please update and don't get behind on your polio and measles vaccines please for your own good - before RFK Jr (the "junior" is key) takes it away in favor of wild boar pellets or some ineffective woo woo "apple cider vinegar netflix series" nonsense.

Take care and be safe out there.

Get behind? Isn't it just one vaccine?

There are two rounds. Round one between 12-15 months and round two between 4 and 6, but can be given 28 days after round 1 if needed. Round 1 is 93% effective, but both rounds are 97% effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Retired infectious disease doctor here, who has never personally seen a case of measles. The news of the measles outbreak and death of a child is a failure for public health. In 1983, measles was nearly eradicated, but due to funding cuts to immunization programs, it survived.

In 1991, the courts ordered the vaccination of children when their fundamentalist Christian parents refused during an outbreak in Philadelphia. In 2019, an outbreak in Brooklyn among a Hasidic Jewish community resulted in court orders. I doubt the same will happen this time.

If you are reading this thread, you have likely vaccinated your kids, but on the radar of yet another thing to worry about is polio. RFK Jr has spouted some nonsense about polio vaccines in the past. A person in NY got vaccine derived polio, which happens when an unvaccinated person picks up a harmless strain from the poop of a vaccinated person, and that harmless strain of polio bounces around from unvaccinated person to unvaccinated person until it mutates and can infect unvaccinated people. Even better, the original wild type polio is still infecting people in Afghanistan. I need a glass of wine. I think this administration will help unwind so many years of progress in immunizations in the U.S.

Everyone please update and don't get behind on your polio and measles vaccines please for your own good - before RFK Jr (the "junior" is key) takes it away in favor of wild boar pellets or some ineffective woo woo "apple cider vinegar netflix series" nonsense.

Take care and be safe out there.

Get behind? Isn't it just one vaccine?

There are two rounds. Round one between 12-15 months and round two between 4 and 6, but can be given 28 days after round 1 if needed. Round 1 is 93% effective, but both rounds are 97% effective.

I think PP was talking about the recommended booster.

[Anonymous]

RE: the booster

According to the CDC, the majority of people who were vaccinated in early childhood will have a lifetime of immunity but there are some exceptions.
If you received the first version of the measles shot - a killed-virus vaccine used between 1963 and 1968, the CDC recommends getting at least one dose of MMR.
"At that point in time, they were using less effective vaccines," Dr. Céline Gounder, CBS News medical contributor, explained.
If you're not sure whether you were vaccinated or which kind you received, Gounder said there's no harm in getting an extra dose.
"That's actually what we would advise to do, as opposed to getting a blood test to see if there are antibodies — just get a booster if you're in doubt," she said.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/measles-booster-mmr-vaccine/285-553bfd35-a0d4-43a5-a4b7-9b22f9c22f51

[Anonymous]

This will only get worse: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-cancels-meeting-select-flu-strains-seasons-shots-rcna193931
The FDA canceled their meeting to select flu strains for next year. This just days after a CDC advisory committee meeting was postponed. This year alone 86 children and 19,00 adults have died from the flu.
“It’s a bad day for infectious diseases,” said Dr. Ofer Levy, director of the precision vaccines program at Boston Children’s Hospital, who has advised the FDA on vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will only get worse: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-cancels-meeting-select-flu-strains-seasons-shots-rcna193931
The FDA canceled their meeting to select flu strains for next year. This just days after a CDC advisory committee meeting was postponed. This year alone 86 children and 19,00 adults have died from the flu.
“It’s a bad day for infectious diseases,” said Dr. Ofer Levy, director of the precision vaccines program at Boston Children’s Hospital, who has advised the FDA on vaccines.

If the FDA refuses to choose the strains, how are they chosen? Will the manufacturers make flu vaccines for next year's season?

[Anonymous]

Who does that benefit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will only get worse: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-cancels-meeting-select-flu-strains-seasons-shots-rcna193931
The FDA canceled their meeting to select flu strains for next year. This just days after a CDC advisory committee meeting was postponed. This year alone 86 children and 19,00 adults have died from the flu.
“It’s a bad day for infectious diseases,” said Dr. Ofer Levy, director of the precision vaccines program at Boston Children’s Hospital, who has advised the FDA on vaccines.

If the FDA refuses to choose the strains, how are they chosen? Will the manufacturers make flu vaccines for next year's season?

If not ....Canada make extra....I will buy them for my family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will only get worse: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-cancels-meeting-select-flu-strains-seasons-shots-rcna193931
The FDA canceled their meeting to select flu strains for next year. This just days after a CDC advisory committee meeting was postponed. This year alone 86 children and 19,00 adults have died from the flu.
“It’s a bad day for infectious diseases,” said Dr. Ofer Levy, director of the precision vaccines program at Boston Children’s Hospital, who has advised the FDA on vaccines.

If the FDA refuses to choose the strains, how are they chosen? Will the manufacturers make flu vaccines for next year's season?

This administration doesn't know and doesn't care. It's all chaos, all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will only get worse: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-cancels-meeting-select-flu-strains-seasons-shots-rcna193931
The FDA canceled their meeting to select flu strains for next year. This just days after a CDC advisory committee meeting was postponed. This year alone 86 children and 19,00 adults have died from the flu.
“It’s a bad day for infectious diseases,” said Dr. Ofer Levy, director of the precision vaccines program at Boston Children’s Hospital, who has advised the FDA on vaccines.

If the FDA refuses to choose the strains, how are they chosen? Will the manufacturers make flu vaccines for next year's season?

This administration doesn't know and doesn't care. It's all chaos, all the time.

US academic institutions are researching the strains. They can also provide data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will only get worse: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-cancels-meeting-select-flu-strains-seasons-shots-rcna193931
The FDA canceled their meeting to select flu strains for next year. This just days after a CDC advisory committee meeting was postponed. This year alone 86 children and 19,00 adults have died from the flu.
“It’s a bad day for infectious diseases,” said Dr. Ofer Levy, director of the precision vaccines program at Boston Children’s Hospital, who has advised the FDA on vaccines.

With respect to Dr. Levy, I think this was a very good day for infectious diseases. Bad for those who don’t want to get them, though.

[Anonymous]

I had both types of measles which has given me life time immunity.

[Anonymous]

i HATE this liberatarian view. I don't have time to research flu strains to decide what one to seek out to get my kids. I want my government to be trustworthy and work with Drs who are skilled in the field.
I don't want to learn how to put out fires, i want to trust my fire department.
I don't want to learn how to build my house.
i want a contractor and regulations to ensure it is safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Retired infectious disease doctor here, who has never personally seen a case of measles. The news of the measles outbreak and death of a child is a failure for public health. In 1983, measles was nearly eradicated, but due to funding cuts to immunization programs, it survived.

In 1991, the courts ordered the vaccination of children when their fundamentalist Christian parents refused during an outbreak in Philadelphia. In 2019, an outbreak in Brooklyn among a Hasidic Jewish community resulted in court orders. I doubt the same will happen this time.

If you are reading this thread, you have likely vaccinated your kids, but on the radar of yet another thing to worry about is polio. RFK Jr has spouted some nonsense about polio vaccines in the past. A person in NY got vaccine derived polio, which happens when an unvaccinated person picks up a harmless strain from the poop of a vaccinated person, and that harmless strain of polio bounces around from unvaccinated person to unvaccinated person until it mutates and can infect unvaccinated people. Even better, the original wild type polio is still infecting people in Afghanistan. I need a glass of wine. I think this administration will help unwind so many years of progress in immunizations in the U.S.

The largest outbreak of measles in the US in the recent past was in 2019 - 1249 cases - approximately 10% of the cases were in this who were vaccinated.

Many people over the age of 70 are not vaccinated bc it is believed they would have natural immunity at least that is what the CDC said - maybe they have changed their mind? And back in 2011 another year with large outbreaks , there were calls for adults to get a measles booster and it floated around again 2019 and no doubt will begin again.

Sad fact - last year the CDC stats show that approximately 30 people died of chicken pox. It wasn’t an anomaly. People die in the US each year of infectious diseases, it just doesn’t make the news.

PP. I’ve had that glass of wine. If you are curious about your measles status, you can get a titer drawn, as several PP’s have noted already. A titer was mandatory when I was in med school, and out of a class of 150+, we all passed, thanks to MMR.

Measles is the overachiever when it comes to Hollywood style infectiousness. The R0, or R not, is a measure of infectiousness, and tells you how many community infections will result from a single case. The common cold R0 is 2-3. Flu is 1-2. Covid is 2-4. Measles is 12-18. Norovirus is only around 3-4 or so, so that should tell you something about the contagious power of measles.

The only other disease that comes close is pertussis, or whooping cough, and no surprise, that is also starting to come back.

Now that the cdc is being muzzled, it is up to our excellent and hardworking local health departments of towns, counties, and states to pick up the slack. Thank you to all of them.

It’s “r naught,” Doc.

Thanks, and I will blame the wine!