DOGE at DoD

[Anonymous]

Yeah, nothing better than alcoholic SecDef

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This is torturous for my coworkers who are probationary.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes and their version of what they think is essential is rather interesting. For instance they are demanding agencies cut contracts with legal research engines. There is simply no way to perform current legal research or write briefs or appear in court without them. But DOGE thinks they are “media” as in the news media (versus periodicals, publications, research engines) so they want them canceled.

Good luck to DOJ defending against all these lawsuits if they can’t perform research on Lexis or Westlaw.

Honestly, this is fine. They’ll lose in court, though we’ll be paying for it, so it will cost us in the end.

It's not just DOJ, it's any agency that employs lawyers. And realistically I doubt any or many will agree to cancel. But it's just an example - one among many - of the stupid decision-making by DOGE and their lack of understanding of what they're doing.

I’m pp, and I agree. Saying that there is massive taxpayer fraud and then firing IRS staff makes no sense. Firing inspector generals makes no sense if you want to root out fraud. Same with whistleblowers.

They are intentionally getting rid of anyone who would stop fraud and enforce laws related to such. Wonder why?

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Anonymous wrote:This is Glenn Youngkin's chance to advocate for his state/constituents. I'm not holding my breath.

He's not going to stand up to this in any way. He's not very smart and he's a coward. Watch him try to hide.

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Do the layoffs start today at DoD?

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Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting they want to fire 50,000 civilian employees at DOD. Which is insane.

The Defense Department has temporarily paused a plan to carry out mass firings of civilian probationary employees until Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and the Pentagon’s Office of General Counsel can carry out a more thorough review of the impacts such firings could have on US military readiness, two defense officials familiar with the matter told CNN.

The pause comes after CNN reported on Wednesday that the mass terminations, which could affect over 50,000 civilian employees across the Pentagon, could run afoul of Title 10 section 129a of the US code. Following that report, Pentagon lawyers began reviewing the legality of the planned terminations more closely, the officials said.

That law says that the secretary of defense “may not reduce the civilian workforce programmed full-time equivalent levels unless the Secretary conducts an appropriate analysis” of how those firings could impact the US military’s lethality and readiness. The law also says that mitigating risk to US military readiness takes precedence over cost.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/politics/pentagon-firings-review/index.html

So they only bothered to check if this might affect military readiness because a law specifically said they had to. Not because that is F&CKING COMMON SENSE!!!!

“ The pause comes after CNN reported on Wednesday that the mass terminations, which could affect over 50,000 civilian employees across the Pentagon, could run afoul of Title 10 section 129a of the US code. Following that report, Pentagon lawyers began reviewing the legality of the planned terminations more closely, the officials said.

That law says that the secretary of defense “may not reduce the civilian workforce programmed full-time equivalent levels unless the Secretary conducts an appropriate analysis” of how those firings could impact the US military’s lethality and readiness. The law also says that mitigating risk to US military readiness takes precedence over cost.

A senior defense official told CNN on Wednesday that such an analysis had not been carried out before military leaders were ordered to make lists of employees to fire.”

Absolutely nuts. Hegseth needs to go. He’s a danger to our national security.

Hegseth is a DUI hire Fox talking head. I’m so sorry for our enlisted Americans who have this person in charge of their lives. He’s not worthy of this post.

Interestingly, the military members I know mostly voted for Trump and even we’re celebrating Hegseth’s confirmation on social media, e.g., “making the American military great again”, etc. Not sure how representative they are of enlisted Americans overall but not sure we necessarily need to feel sorry for them.

Musk likes to tout the money he’s supposedly saved and he’s no doubt aware there is a lot more potential at DOD for cuts to boost his totals. Could make the cuts at places like USAID look like Pennie’s in comparison.

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*pennies

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Govt workers in a way caused this issue.

In a normal company employees are ranked and a new CEO can fire poor performers or overpaid people on day one.

My large company got bought over and pre takeover new firm picked out redundant people, over paid people, poor performers pre merger by review of our records and terminated in day one.

Also in a normal company you can move people between roles very quickly. In give in Dept of homeland security needs a person and IRS has extra person even if next door each other role can’t be moved.

So instead this crazy process is being done where you fire who you can not who you want.

Union protections has created a monster.

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Anonymous wrote:Govt workers in a way caused this issue.

In a normal company employees are ranked and a new CEO can fire poor performers or overpaid people on day one.

My large company got bought over and pre takeover new firm picked out redundant people, over paid people, poor performers pre merger by review of our records and terminated in day one.

Also in a normal company you can move people between roles very quickly. In give in Dept of homeland security needs a person and IRS has extra person even if next door each other role can’t be moved.

So instead this crazy process is being done where you fire who you can not who you want.

Union protections has created a monster.

I think what this whole thing has demonstrated is that federal employees are really not that hard to get rid of after all, on the contrary. Thousands fired and despite the lawsuits most probably won’t be reversed. It’s all been a mirage.

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Anonymous wrote:They get into the computer systems and then decide to fire most probationary employees OP.

In my dh's agency, they actually went for firing some of our best people who were American citizens with regular GS probationary status first, with made up "low performance." For some reason, the H1B visa holders we hired in temporary positions (because we couldn't find Americans willing to move here for these salaries) were kept.

Wait a minute. These are foreign contractors retaining their positions? Which agency? Provide proof to MAGA and they would go crazy. Seems like a huge opportunity to throw a massive wrench in the works.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN is reporting they want to fire 50,000 civilian employees at DOD. Which is insane.

The Defense Department has temporarily paused a plan to carry out mass firings of civilian probationary employees until Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and the Pentagon’s Office of General Counsel can carry out a more thorough review of the impacts such firings could have on US military readiness, two defense officials familiar with the matter told CNN.

The pause comes after CNN reported on Wednesday that the mass terminations, which could affect over 50,000 civilian employees across the Pentagon, could run afoul of Title 10 section 129a of the US code. Following that report, Pentagon lawyers began reviewing the legality of the planned terminations more closely, the officials said.

That law says that the secretary of defense “may not reduce the civilian workforce programmed full-time equivalent levels unless the Secretary conducts an appropriate analysis” of how those firings could impact the US military’s lethality and readiness. The law also says that mitigating risk to US military readiness takes precedence over cost.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/politics/pentagon-firings-review/index.html

So they only bothered to check if this might affect military readiness because a law specifically said they had to. Not because that is F&CKING COMMON SENSE!!!!

“ The pause comes after CNN reported on Wednesday that the mass terminations, which could affect over 50,000 civilian employees across the Pentagon, could run afoul of Title 10 section 129a of the US code. Following that report, Pentagon lawyers began reviewing the legality of the planned terminations more closely, the officials said.

That law says that the secretary of defense “may not reduce the civilian workforce programmed full-time equivalent levels unless the Secretary conducts an appropriate analysis” of how those firings could impact the US military’s lethality and readiness. The law also says that mitigating risk to US military readiness takes precedence over cost.

A senior defense official told CNN on Wednesday that such an analysis had not been carried out before military leaders were ordered to make lists of employees to fire.”

Absolutely nuts. Hegseth needs to go. He’s a danger to our national security.

Hegseth is a DUI hire Fox talking head. I’m so sorry for our enlisted Americans who have this person in charge of their lives. He’s not worthy of this post.

Interestingly, the military members I know mostly voted for Trump and even we’re celebrating Hegseth’s confirmation on social media, e.g., “making the American military great again”, etc. Not sure how representative they are of enlisted Americans overall but not sure we necessarily need to feel sorry for them.

Musk likes to tout the money he’s supposedly saved and he’s no doubt aware there is a lot more potential at DOD for cuts to boost his totals. Could make the cuts at places like USAID look like Pennie’s in comparison.

We are enlisted military. None of us voted for Trump.

Most of them are low paid in support jobs. Cut the unnecessary officers.

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Anonymous wrote:New ROTC scholarships (beginning fall 2025) are frozen at the moment. No one knows what will happen.

Not surprised, but is this true?
DS is ROTC and was told her was being considered for, and therefore encouraged to apply for scholarship. But he needed medical waivers that have taken so frickin' long that he just finally got an ROTC contract. If THAT process were more efficient, he'd have contracted 11 months ago and could have been offered a scholarship for this year.

Likelihood of reinstating the scholarships? He'll be a junior, so it's now or never for him.

They are for Army--the second board happened in January and results are still pending. The Army finally made an announcement this week to say that they are indefinitely postposed.
The Army ROTC program had funding issues and a glut of officers pre-Hegseth so it's unclear if this is due to the new administration or if it a funding issue that predates him or is a combination of both.

I have heard that the rotc scholarship issue predates the trump adminstration. It was leftover from biden's people

[Anonymous]

My sincere hope is that if they try to take a chain saw to DoD, some Republicans in Congress will stand up and say we will not put the national security of America in the hands of Elon Musk.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, nothing better than alcoholic SecDef

He’s your DUI hire!

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Anonymous wrote:Govt workers in a way caused this issue.

In a normal company employees are ranked and a new CEO can fire poor performers or overpaid people on day one.

My large company got bought over and pre takeover new firm picked out redundant people, over paid people, poor performers pre merger by review of our records and terminated in day one.

Also in a normal company you can move people between roles very quickly. In give in Dept of homeland security needs a person and IRS has extra person even if next door each other role can’t be moved.

So instead this crazy process is being done where you fire who you can not who you want.

Union protections has created a monster.

You can do all those things in Federal Service as well. You can be detailed to other offices or Agencies. You can fire someone for cause with documentation. Not every Fed is in a union either. Also, do you not understand why there are more boxes to check to fire a Federal employee? It’s to reduce cronyism. Federal employment was evolved to be as merit based as possible, what with the non partisan career civil servants and a whole ass exam one had to pass to become a Federal employee. That doesn’t work if I can fire anyone I please and then put in place my friend or someone who paid me for the position.