As an Atheist, what do you tell your little kids?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

DP, but you can still judge even if you know you don’t have authority. I judge all sorts of crappy parenting which is usually anything at the extremes (e.g. severe sugar restriction vs allowing your kids to eat whatever they want, being a totally no screens house vs. no screen rules whatsoever).

Going to church on Sunday, teaching your kids about Jesus, etc.? Fine. I’m not religious at all but we’ve taken our kids to services on holidays like Christmas Eve and has them baptized b/c I know it in important to DH’s family. But when my kids question things about religion that don’t make sense, I’m not gaslighting them to force them to believe.

I do judge parents who don’t allow their children to question beliefs and think for themselves or who do things like denying lifesaving medical treatment (it’s one thing to decide that for yourself, but letting you child be harmed or die unnecessarily is abuse).

Do you judge people who call religion “crazy” and say religion is harmful to the world?

People who believe those things are definitely not allowing their children to question atheism and not allowing their children to think for themselves.

I see religious people denying their children medical care sometimes in news stories, but I also see similar news stories about vegan parents. They don’t provide their children adequate nutrition because they are so dedicated to veganism. I also see news stories more prominently of parents who are addicted to drugs, who starve and neglect their children while doing drugs.

Using the death of children to make a point? You want to start listing dead kids whose parents were drug addicts and neglected them to death? Because those kids would outnumber the children of religious people who denied their kids medical treatment, by a very large margin.

Part of atheism IS letting children think for themselves. It's not filling their minds with something for which there is no evidence other than a Bronze Age book, which then controls them for the rest of their lives. It is precisely the opposite of NOT thinking for yourself.

Not if you are teaching your children that religious beliefs are crazy, and that religion is harmful to the world.

You are indoctrinating your children into atheism and not allowing them to make up their own minds about religion.

Facts are facts.

Please link to citations from reputable sources that have peer reviewed evidence that your claims that religion beliefs are crazy and religion is harmful to the world.

I would think that such well known facts would have several sources and many many citations. You will be able to link many reputable sources to prove your facts.

LOL. Hilarious that someone who believes in supernatural forces is asking for “reputable sources” or “peer reviewed evidence”.

From most philosophical perspectives, religions do not require empirical scientific evidence to believe, as faith is often considered the foundation of religious belief, meaning people accept truths based on trust and personal experience rather than solely on tangible proof; however, some argue that there can still be forms of evidence within religious experiences that support belief, even if not scientifically verifiable.

Pp is unequivocally stating that two statements: religion is crazy and religion hurts the world, as factual.

Facts need evidence from reputable sources.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

The single website that I link to as a citation is gotquestions.org. I only link because I think people deserve some cited source for information that is reputable.

You are trying to derail the thread with your off-topic posts with copied-and-pasted content from quack websites. GTFO.

Atheists want to tell their children the truth, including the truth about Christianity.

The truth about who goes to heaven is not that “God sends good people to heaven.”

Even if you don’t believe Christianity, don’t teach your children falsehoods about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

The single website that I link to as a citation is gotquestions.org. I only link because I think people deserve some cited source for information that is reputable.

You are trying to derail the thread with your off-topic posts with copied-and-pasted content from quack websites. GTFO.

As a Christian, I would not post anything from a quack website.

Why do you think gotquestions.org is a quack website?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

The single website that I link to as a citation is gotquestions.org. I only link because I think people deserve some cited source for information that is reputable.

I think this pp must own this website and keeps trying to direct traffic to their site.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

The single website that I link to as a citation is gotquestions.org. I only link because I think people deserve some cited source for information that is reputable.

You are trying to derail the thread with your off-topic posts with copied-and-pasted content from quack websites. GTFO.

Atheists want to tell their children the truth, including the truth about Christianity.

The truth about who goes to heaven is not that “God sends good people to heaven.”

Even if you don’t believe Christianity, don’t teach your children falsehoods about it.

Incorrect. There is no truth about christianity, and atheists don't care anough about your religion to teach it to our children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

The single website that I link to as a citation is gotquestions.org. I only link because I think people deserve some cited source for information that is reputable.

You are trying to derail the thread with your off-topic posts with copied-and-pasted content from quack websites. GTFO.

Atheists want to tell their children the truth, including the truth about Christianity.

The truth about who goes to heaven is not that “God sends good people to heaven.”

Even if you don’t believe Christianity, don’t teach your children falsehoods about it.

Incorrect. There is no truth about christianity, and atheists don't care anough about your religion to teach it to our children.

You don’t believe in Christianity, which is absolutely your right. I am a Christian which is my right.

I did teach my children about atheism and the major religions of the world, and they learned more about atheism and other religions through school and friends and acquaintances.
They know people have different beliefs and those different beliefs do not upset them or make them angry. They do not have a mission to prove other religions or atheism as wrong, nor do they believe they must personally approve of other people’s lives in any manner.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

The single website that I link to as a citation is gotquestions.org. I only link because I think people deserve some cited source for information that is reputable.

You are trying to derail the thread with your off-topic posts with copied-and-pasted content from quack websites. GTFO.

Atheists want to tell their children the truth, including the truth about Christianity.

The truth about who goes to heaven is not that “God sends good people to heaven.”

Even if you don’t believe Christianity, don’t teach your children falsehoods about it.

Incorrect. There is no truth about christianity, and atheists don't care anough about your religion to teach it to our children.

You don’t believe in Christianity, which is absolutely your right. I am a Christian which is my right.

I did teach my children about atheism and the major religions of the world, and they learned more about atheism and other religions through school and friends and acquaintances.
They know people have different beliefs and those different beliefs do not upset them or make them angry. They do not have a mission to prove other religions or atheism as wrong, nor do they believe they must personally approve of other people’s lives in any manner.

Maybe you're lost, this thread isn't about what christians teach their children. Maybe you'd like to start your own thread instead of derailing this one.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

The single website that I link to as a citation is gotquestions.org. I only link because I think people deserve some cited source for information that is reputable.

I think this pp must own this website and keeps trying to direct traffic to their site.

Must be.

Brainwashednutters.org is a better name.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

The single website that I link to as a citation is gotquestions.org. I only link because I think people deserve some cited source for information that is reputable.

You are trying to derail the thread with your off-topic posts with copied-and-pasted content from quack websites. GTFO.

Atheists want to tell their children the truth, including the truth about Christianity.

The truth about who goes to heaven is not that “God sends good people to heaven.”

Even if you don’t believe Christianity, don’t teach your children falsehoods about it.

It’s literally all made up. There are no “truths”.

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If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

DP, but you can still judge even if you know you don’t have authority. I judge all sorts of crappy parenting which is usually anything at the extremes (e.g. severe sugar restriction vs allowing your kids to eat whatever they want, being a totally no screens house vs. no screen rules whatsoever).

Going to church on Sunday, teaching your kids about Jesus, etc.? Fine. I’m not religious at all but we’ve taken our kids to services on holidays like Christmas Eve and has them baptized b/c I know it in important to DH’s family. But when my kids question things about religion that don’t make sense, I’m not gaslighting them to force them to believe.

I do judge parents who don’t allow their children to question beliefs and think for themselves or who do things like denying lifesaving medical treatment (it’s one thing to decide that for yourself, but letting you child be harmed or die unnecessarily is abuse).

Do you judge people who call religion “crazy” and say religion is harmful to the world?

People who believe those things are definitely not allowing their children to question atheism and not allowing their children to think for themselves.

I see religious people denying their children medical care sometimes in news stories, but I also see similar news stories about vegan parents. They don’t provide their children adequate nutrition because they are so dedicated to veganism. I also see news stories more prominently of parents who are addicted to drugs, who starve and neglect their children while doing drugs.

Using the death of children to make a point? You want to start listing dead kids whose parents were drug addicts and neglected them to death? Because those kids would outnumber the children of religious people who denied their kids medical treatment, by a very large margin.

Part of atheism IS letting children think for themselves. It's not filling their minds with something for which there is no evidence other than a Bronze Age book, which then controls them for the rest of their lives. It is precisely the opposite of NOT thinking for yourself.

Not if you are teaching your children that religious beliefs are crazy, and that religion is harmful to the world.

You are indoctrinating your children into atheism and not allowing them to make up their own minds about religion.

Facts are facts.

Please link to citations from reputable sources that have peer reviewed evidence that your claims that religion beliefs are crazy and religion is harmful to the world.

I would think that such well known facts would have several sources and many many citations. You will be able to link many reputable sources to prove your facts.

LOL. Hilarious that someone who believes in supernatural forces is asking for “reputable sources” or “peer reviewed evidence”.

From most philosophical perspectives, religions do not require empirical scientific evidence to believe, as faith is often considered the foundation of religious belief, meaning people accept truths based on trust and personal experience rather than solely on tangible proof; however, some argue that there can still be forms of evidence within religious experiences that support belief, even if not scientifically verifiable.

Pp is unequivocally stating that two statements: religion is crazy and religion hurts the world, as factual.

Facts need evidence from reputable sources.

Great. So we can all agree there is nothing factual about religion then. 👍👍

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You are mental. GTFO, troll.

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If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

We live in a country with freedom from religion and freedom of religion.

That means that when an atheist posts a thread on dcum explaining why they are atheist, we can read it and learn from it if we wish, or we can ignore it and read another thread. We should not tell the posters that God exists and they are wrong.

Please take your own advice and stop derailing.

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Pp is unequivocally stating that two statements: religion is crazy and religion hurts the world, as factual.

100% false, was stated ONLY as my opinion. Want me to list the reasons?

Women's rights
Sexual abuse
The Middle East
Burkas
Anti-science movement
Book Banning
Homophobia

I could go on and on and on here, but that is MORE than enough to support my opinion.

Facts need evidence from reputable sources.

This is F'n rich. Where are yours?

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But what I’ve told my kids is that religion is how people explained the world around them before we had science, and where you were born affects which religion you were taught.

We’ve also spent a lot of time talking about the creation of the universe 300B years ago, how crazy it is that matter turned into conscious life, the statistical improbability that the earth was made to support life and that they were born as them, etc.

You can still look at the science and appreciate the “miracle” of it all. And my kids know that I don’t have any more answers to the unknowns than they do. 1 kid is practical and even questioned Santa from a young age. He’s had a pretty skeptical outlook on God from early on. Whereas my younger kid is much more creative/spiritual and open to the unknown existing. He will talk about maybe God is like X or like Y.

I support both of them in coming up with their own thoughts on the matter. I think indoctrinating them that there is no God is just as harmful as shoving religion down their throats. What they believe is up to them.

I don’t think raising your own children in your family’s faith tradition is “shoving religion down their throats.” Children are part of a family, and most families have traditions and beliefs. Parents have the responsibility to raise their children in the manner they believe is a responsible and appropriate.

If a parent does or doesn’t have faith or religious beliefs or traditions, raising children without faith or religious traditions is how their family works, for lack of a better term.

When the children are adults, parents should accept whatever their child and their child’s own family (spouse and kids) decides they want to believe, or accept that their adult child and their adult child’s family is undecided about such matters, or does not have any religious or faith beliefs or traditions.

No one should tell other people how to raise their children. Parents do not have to stop practicing their religion once they become parents, that’s absurd. Parents don’t have to stop being atheist or agnostic once they become parents, but that’s absurd.

People need to stop believing they have any say or authority in the lives of other people’s children. They have zero input into the decisions parents make for their own kids.

I agree with much of what you say, but not all. Personally, I think it's crazy to encourage anyone to be religious in a world in which more and more can be explained by science.

Also, I think we do have say and authority over other people's children right now, in that beating your children can and should send you to jail. I think and hope the time will come when it's not considered OK to fill children's mind full of silly superstitious stuff like, for instance, that if they are good,God will redeem them and send them to everlasting life in heaven .

Beating other people is against the law. Police officers can arrest people who are suspected of breaking the law. The accused gets competent legal representation and must be afforded a fair trial. If they are convicted of child abuse, they can be sentenced by the judge based on state sentencing guidelines.

That is not the same as random strangers having responsibility/authority over children. The school nurse has to contact parents to administer otc pain relief medication to children; that’s how little authority even a school professional who works with children has over children.

You don’t sound open minded at all about the Christian faith, yet judge people who aren’t open minded about atheism or other religions as hypocritical bigots. You are just as close minded and bigoted as they are.

You also are incorrect about Christianity; God doesn’t “send people to heaven if they are good.” That’s probably something someone indoctrinated you into believing, something that is false.

Pot, meet kettle.

Pp did not say that God sent people to heaven if they are good. They said that some people believe that. Maybe you don't. Good.

“when it's not considered OK to fill children's mind full of silly superstitious stuff like, for instance, that if they are good,God will redeem them and send them to everlasting life in heaven.”-pp

Can someone post scripture from the Christian bible that says people have to be good so God will send them to heaven? Who believes that? No Christian I know believers that?

Who do you know that believes that, pp?

Maybe immediate pp is correct and there's no need to be a good person on earth to get into heaven when you die. Maybe the Bible says you can be very nasty and simply believe in God to receive your eternal reward. Maybe that would explain why so many people who profess to be Christians are so nasty. Meanwhile, atheists or people of other religions go to hell because they don't believe that Jesus Christ is lord. Or maybe just believing in God is enough.

+1. Not to mention that you really can't MAKE yourself believe something. It doesn't work that way.
Knowing that it doesn't even matter if you are a good person in order to get to heaven is just one more ludicrous notion about christianity

This conversation shows that the atheists participating don’t know much about Christianity. They were either indoctrinated by someone who was ignorant about Christianity, lied to, or they haven’t educated themselves about Christianity.

Do not listen to the wandering minds that post here about Christianity. They have every right to not like Christianity and every right to not be religious, but they are not correct whatsoever when they speak on Christianity.

A great site to answer your question about Christianity:

https://www.gotquestions.org/


Top 20 Most Frequently Asked Bible Questions

https://www.gotquestions.org/top20.


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It’s perfectly fine to reject religion and not have any belief in a God or gods. But representation of your opinions about Christianity and Christians as facts, and statements of how God does x, and Christians do y, and Christians (and religious parents of all religions) are committing child abuse by having religious traditions in their family life is not reality.

Basically, atheists who don’t like Christianity and Christians are making up their own stories about Christianity and insisting their stories are true.

They are not true, and the atheists posting falsehoods they believe are not even educated about Christianity.

Instead of being factually correct, they persist in their ignorance. Do not believe their falsehoods. You don’t have to believe Christianity’s tenets, but at least know what they are.

Who will go to heaven?
https://www.gotquestions.org/who-will-go-to-heaven.html

People have different ideas about heaven. Many have no understanding of God at all but still like to think of heaven as the “better place” where we all go when we die. Ideas about heaven are often no more than vague hopes, on par with “maybe I’ll win the lottery someday.” Most people don’t give heaven much thought until they attend a funeral or a loved one dies. It is popular to refer to heaven as the place where “the good people go.” And of course, everyone they know and love is included in the category of “good people.”

But the Bible has a lot to say about life after death, and it contradicts popular opinion. John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Then in verse 36, Jesus goes on to say, “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.” Hebrews 9:27 says, “People are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.” According to these verses, everyone dies, but not everyone goes to heaven (see also Matthew 25:46; Romans 6:23; Luke 12:5; Mark 9:43).

God is holy and perfect. Heaven, His dwelling place, is holy and perfect, too (Psalm 68:5; Nehemiah 1:5; Revelation 11:19). According to Romans 3:10, “there is no one righteous, not even one.” No human being is holy and perfect. No one is “good enough” for heaven. The people we call “good” are not good at all compared to the sinless perfection of God. If God allowed sinful humans to enter the perfection of heaven, that place would no longer be perfect. What standard should be used to determine who is “good enough?” God’s standard is the only one that counts, and He has already ruled. Romans 3:23 says that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” And the payment for that sin is eternal separation from God (Romans 6:23).

Sin has to be punished, or God is not just (2 Thessalonians 1:6). The judgment we face at death is simply God bringing our accounts up to date and passing sentence on our crimes against Him. We have no way to make our wrongs right. Our good does not outweigh our bad. Just as one drop of arsenic in a glass of water poisons the whole glass, one sin ruins perfection.

So, God became man and took our punishment upon Himself. Jesus is God in the flesh. He lived a sinless life of obedience to His Father (Hebrews 4:15). He had no sin, yet at the cross He took our sin and made it His own. Once He paid the price for our sin, we could be declared holy and perfect (2 Corinthians 5:21). When we confess our sin to Him and ask His forgiveness on the basis of Christ’s sacrifice, He saves us. It’s as if He stamps “Paid in Full” over our debt of sin (see Acts 2:38; 3:19; 1 Peter 3:18).

When we stand before God one day, we cannot beg entrance to heaven based on our own merit. We have none to offer. Compared to God’s standard of holiness, not one of us is good enough. But Jesus is good enough, and it is by His merit we can enter heaven. First Corinthians 6:9–11 says, “Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” The sacrifice of Jesus covers it all.

The people who go to heaven are all alike in one way: they are sinners who have placed their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:12; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9). They have recognized their need for a Savior and humbly accepted God’s offer of forgiveness. They have repented of their old ways of living and set their course to follow Christ (Mark 8:34; John 15:14). They have not attempted to earn God’s forgiveness but have served Him gladly from grateful hearts (Psalm 100:2). The kind of faith that saves a soul is one that transforms a life (James 2:26; 1 John 3:9–10) and rests fully on the grace of God.

Again: reject Christianity, God, the Bible, etc, as is your right and privilege as an American citizen, but don’t presume to tell others what Christianity is about, because the many posts here show no atheist knows.

No thank you. Not interested. I've educated myself plenty about your faith and that education has led me further and further away. I'm not interested in hearing more proselytizing .

Zero proselytizing. Knowing the truth about Christianity is not believing Christianity. It’s obvious the majority of atheists posting here do not know the basics of Christianity, as evidenced by the way two or more had false information about how Christianity believes Christians go to heaven. Your opinions about Christianity are not factual.

You actually have no idea what my factual knowledge about Christianity is. I have studied it for years and probably know more than most Christians at this point. I know too well what your Bible says and doesn’t say. And whether or not someone knows the exact conditions of one doctrinal point or another doesn’t matter in this discussion. Making people “understand” the basics as you put it would not convince one single atheist that has come to their lack of belief through the hard work of studying and learning and breaking down the indoctrinated information in their brains