DDOT wants to charge $8/hr for street parking, require payment 24 hours/day

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people feel entitled to store their car for free on government property (aka the street). I think it would be easier to just charge a lot for an overnight parking sticker.

I don't understand why cyclists think it should be free to use the roads they don't pay for.

I bike to work more often than I drive (though I take Metro far more often than either of those). But I also pay D.C. income and property taxes and have two cars registered here. So I pay plenty for the roads, thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

Discouraging people from going to U Street for dining and entertainment seems like the exactly opposite of what U Street needs right now.

It's not discouraging people from going to U Street. It's simply discouraging people who drive to U Street from parking on the street for hours and hours. If anything, it will encourage people who drive to U Street, because street parking spaces will be more available.

People will just not go to U street at all if they don’t live in walking distance and are not close to public transit. I literally will never visit a DC restaurant or Bar again if this happens does. It’s not convenient to take public transit and it more than doubles my travel time to get to DC. If they make it difficult to park and start charging $8 an hour for parking I will avoid visiting DC entirely. This is a very poorly thought out plan that will kill DC businesses. Private parking garages will also raise their rates substantially if DC charges $8 per hour. A private parking garage in this zone could effectively charge $70 per day and still be cheaper than street parking rates.

There will never be enough parking for you bridge and tunnel people, so thanks for staying away. We literally don't need you. Stay in Virginia, please.

The economic illiteracy on this thread is astounding. There aren't enough people in Washington DC to support all the bars and restaurants. Half of them would close without the "bridge and tunnel people."

+1

Plus: for decades, DC policymakers have been too stupid to bother capitalizing on one of their major sources of funding:

- tourism


Yet again, DC will shoot itself in the foot. Our local government is an incompetent, single-party, disgrace.

Tourists are what's keeping U Street bars in business, and if the tourists can't park cars on the street for cheap, they will just drive to Silver Spring? How interesting.

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Half the storefronts in this city are empty, at a time when the economy is friggin' booming. Obviously the DC government's policies are not working. Maybe we should try something different.

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Anonymous wrote:Half the storefronts in this city are empty, at a time when the economy is friggin' booming. Obviously the DC government's policies are not working. Maybe we should try something different.

It is ominous given how low the unemployment rate is right now.

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Anonymous wrote:In this thread: "Virginia and Maryland are so great and have tons of cool bars and restaurants, they will just go out in those neighborhoods instead of DC if this goes through! DC is being unfair and I'm mad!"

Also in this thread: "Everyone who goes to DC bars are from Maryland and Virginia! The bars will all close down without the Maryland people leaving where they live to hang out elsewhere!"

Can't have it both ways folks. lol.

Not really seeing the contradiction. You know there's like, five million people in the suburbs right? PG County alone is twice the size of DC.

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Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

Um.. or perhaps maybe, just hear me out now, just maybe, those people "getting hammered" at bars could choose to arrive at their location in a way that's (hopefully) similar to their departure plan - by not driving themselves there?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

The city has spend billions of dollars on bike infrastructure benefiting a microscopic share of the population. The cost per user is on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars per cyclist? What have they contributed towards the cost of bike lanes?

Sigh, no they haven't and you've been proven wrong on this point in like a million threads. Touch grass, grandpa.

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Anonymous wrote:Half the storefronts in this city are empty, at a time when the economy is friggin' booming. Obviously the DC government's policies are not working. Maybe we should try something different.

I can only assume that this outcome is the goal. Otherwise it is inexplicable.

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Anonymous wrote:There is an astounding level of entitlement from the suburban folks here. Believe it or not, people live in DC and their needs for parking need to be prioritized. If you wanna get out of your generic, lifeless home and visit a real place, that's fine. But you'll have to pay for it instead of being a leech or be subsidized by us. Thanks!

Unlike you, I was born, raised and still live in DC. Your ideas are bad and harm the city. Please go back to whatever non-local suburb you are from.

Harm car-owners, I think you mean. Which is not everyone.

Again, please stop being so selfish. It's not hard! Just think about other people. It's easy. My taxes shouldn't support your car. End of story.

The irony of everything you wrote is inescapable.

Again, please stop being so selfish. It's not hard! Just think about other people. It's easy. My taxes shouldn't support your idiocy. End of story.

Taxes? Car owners are the most subsidized people in the world kiddo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

Discouraging people from going to U Street for dining and entertainment seems like the exactly opposite of what U Street needs right now.

It's not discouraging people from going to U Street. It's simply discouraging people who drive to U Street from parking on the street for hours and hours. If anything, it will encourage people who drive to U Street, because street parking spaces will be more available.

People will just not go to U street at all if they don’t live in walking distance and are not close to public transit. I literally will never visit a DC restaurant or Bar again if this happens does. It’s not convenient to take public transit and it more than doubles my travel time to get to DC. If they make it difficult to park and start charging $8 an hour for parking I will avoid visiting DC entirely. This is a very poorly thought out plan that will kill DC businesses. Private parking garages will also raise their rates substantially if DC charges $8 per hour. A private parking garage in this zone could effectively charge $70 per day and still be cheaper than street parking rates.

This. People keep pretending DC density is like NYC and anemic DC metro system is like NYC subway where your trip across bridge/tunnel or North/South via a train is cheaper and faster and you don't have to hike miles across highways and busy streets or through the woods or the hood to reach a nearest metro station if you don't happen to live next to one. And if you have to park and drive it's the stupidest thing ever, because you still have to drive, need a designated driver and you are wasting a ton of time. Nobody is going to do activities requiring painful 1.5 hr+ commute to replace a 20-30 min drive on their time off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

Um.. or perhaps maybe, just hear me out now, just maybe, those people "getting hammered" at bars could choose to arrive at their location in a way that's (hopefully) similar to their departure plan - by not driving themselves there?

Dude, people don't have DDs anymore, this isn't 1985. We have this app called Uber. Have you heard of it?

The idea that people drive and park to bars and restaurants is so outdated it is borderline parody. Maybe like 10 old people in Georgetown do that twice a year. Get real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

Um.. or perhaps maybe, just hear me out now, just maybe, those people "getting hammered" at bars could choose to arrive at their location in a way that's (hopefully) similar to their departure plan - by not driving themselves there?

Sure, it's called having a designated driver, and not everyone is coming to drink. sometimes people come to visit friends/family or shop, pickup food, etc. We have elderly family in DC and have to park near their building. We also come with friends and one of us doesn't drink, we carpool together. DC also relies on people from the entire metro to support its businesses. If DC government think they can make parking as expensive as Manhattan, they are high on something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Half the storefronts in this city are empty, at a time when the economy is friggin' booming. Obviously the DC government's policies are not working. Maybe we should try something different.

It is ominous given how low the unemployment rate is right now.

DC's unemployment rate as of October is 5.7% compared to the Washington Metropolitan Statistical Area's 3.1% and the national rate of 4.1%.

[Anonymous]

You car brainers need to just breathe and relax. And please, spend some time thinking about people who aren't you. Like the older residents of DC who have to circle the block ten times to find a spot because the bridge and tunnel people are clogging up our streets. Or the elderly person who can't get a plumber into their house because he can't find a spot.

This is what DDOT is trying to fix. Not make it easier for your happy hour. Stay in Virginia, please!

[Anonymous]

If people can already park effortlessly and spots are available, it's not a high demand zone. it's not that terrible to find a parking spot in DC even along busy neighborhoods, it's why people drive there. And traffic outside of rush hour is not bad at all. What problem are they trying to solve exactly other than trying to collect more revenue. People who live in residential DC or nearby suburbs only drive into DC busier areas because it's easy enough and not too expensive. Make it a PITA and they won't go.