DDOT wants to charge $8/hr for street parking, require payment 24 hours/day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

Better yet, take a cab or metro, particularly if drinking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, that's what we are going to *require.*

(No, the game is actually to incentivize people to park in a garage or take an uber. Which they largely will, if the price is comparable.)

You have a lot of faith in 21 year olds to do the right thing (ironic, of course, because DC doesn't prosecute 21 year olds for crimes because supposedly they have bad judgment because their brains are still developing).

This plan incentivizes drunk driving.

most 21 year olds are taking an uber or metro - they don't own cars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, that's what we are going to *require.*

(No, the game is actually to incentivize people to park in a garage or take an uber. Which they largely will, if the price is comparable.)

Sounds like you've never taken an Uber on a Saturday night. The price is not comparable!

So DC should actually charge more? Ok.

Yes! Charge more! We can do to the bar scene what we did to the restaurant scene! (Does anyone still go to restaurants?). Seriously, you can charge more but then don't complain when people stop going to U Street. There are lots of other bars in other places, including Maryland and Virginia, where everything is not a giant pain in the ass.

People don't go to restaurants anymore, they are too crowded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a garage owner, and you could fill your garage at $8/hour, why would you charge less?

The city owns a bunch of parking spaces; if they can fill them at $8/hour, why should they charge less?

(I don't know if $8 is the right amount. If they charge $8 and there are bunches of spots unused, then they should lower the price.)

Is the DC government a business now?

You're not answering the PP's question.

"The city owns a bunch of parking spaces; if they can fill them at $8/hour, why should they charge less?"

The city could also charge people $10,000 a month for running water. Should they do that too?

You're still not answering the PP's question. I will point out, also, that $10,000/month is surely not the market price for running water for a household in DC, and that access to running water is really not comparable to cheap street parking for bars.

Which is why DC Water is a regulated entity under the auspice of the DC Public Service Commission, whose board is appointed by the Mayor and confirmed by the Council.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

Discouraging people from going to U Street for dining and entertainment seems like the exactly opposite of what U Street needs right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, that's what we are going to *require.*

(No, the game is actually to incentivize people to park in a garage or take an uber. Which they largely will, if the price is comparable.)

Sounds like you've never taken an Uber on a Saturday night. The price is not comparable!

So DC should actually charge more? Ok.

Yes! Charge more! We can do to the bar scene what we did to the restaurant scene! (Does anyone still go to restaurants?). Seriously, you can charge more but then don't complain when people stop going to U Street. There are lots of other bars in other places, including Maryland and Virginia, where everything is not a giant pain in the ass.

People don't go to restaurants anymore, they are too crowded.

Except that U Street restaurants are indeed struggling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

Discouraging people from going to U Street for dining and entertainment seems like the exactly opposite of what U Street needs right now.

It's not discouraging people from going to U Street. It's simply discouraging people who drive to U Street from parking on the street for hours and hours. If anything, it will encourage people who drive to U Street, because street parking spaces will be more available.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a garage owner, and you could fill your garage at $8/hour, why would you charge less?

The city owns a bunch of parking spaces; if they can fill them at $8/hour, why should they charge less?

(I don't know if $8 is the right amount. If they charge $8 and there are bunches of spots unused, then they should lower the price.)

Is the DC government a business now?

You're not answering the PP's question.

"The city owns a bunch of parking spaces; if they can fill them at $8/hour, why should they charge less?"

The city could also charge people $10,000 a month for running water. Should they do that too?

You're still not answering the PP's question. I will point out, also, that $10,000/month is surely not the market price for running water for a household in DC, and that access to running water is really not comparable to cheap street parking for bars.

If the government is going to get into the business of charging market rates for everything, you are going to be in for some serious sticker shock, my friend. Much of what the government does is things that businesses cannot do at a rate people could afford.

Right, but parking spots are not a thing that businesses cannot provide at a rate people can afford, as evidenced by the enormous number of fully occupied parking garages downtown. So why should people object to the government charging closer to market rate for parking?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public schools be free? A lot of people don't have kids and are thus subsidizing the educations of people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public libraries be free? A lot of people buy their own books and are thus subsidizing people who refuse to buy their own books. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why are parks free to use? A lot of people don't like parks and are thus subsidizing people who like parks. How is that fair?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

The city has spend billions of dollars on bike infrastructure benefiting a microscopic share of the population. The cost per user is on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars per cyclist? What have they contributed towards the cost of bike lanes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, that's what we are going to *require.*

(No, the game is actually to incentivize people to park in a garage or take an uber. Which they largely will, if the price is comparable.)

Sounds like you've never taken an Uber on a Saturday night. The price is not comparable!

So DC should actually charge more? Ok.

Yes! Charge more! We can do to the bar scene what we did to the restaurant scene! (Does anyone still go to restaurants?). Seriously, you can charge more but then don't complain when people stop going to U Street. There are lots of other bars in other places, including Maryland and Virginia, where everything is not a giant pain in the ass.

People don't go to restaurants anymore, they are too crowded.

Do you even live here? The restaurant scene is a sad shadow of what it was 10 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

Discouraging people from going to U Street for dining and entertainment seems like the exactly opposite of what U Street needs right now.

At least it will cut down on the endless fights on U Street on weekend nights. Probably the best thing that can be said for this plan. If I owned a bar on U Street, I'd put it up for sale.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public schools be free? A lot of people don't have kids and are thus subsidizing the educations of people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public libraries be free? A lot of people buy their own books and are thus subsidizing people who refuse to buy their own books. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why are parks free to use? A lot of people don't like parks and are thus subsidizing people who like parks. How is that fair?

One of these things is not like the other:

Public schools
Public libraries
Public parks
On-street parking for the cars of people going to bars

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public schools be free? A lot of people don't have kids and are thus subsidizing the educations of people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public libraries be free? A lot of people buy their own books and are thus subsidizing people who refuse to buy their own books. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why are parks free to use? A lot of people don't like parks and are thus subsidizing people who like parks. How is that fair?

One of these things is not like the other:

Public schools
Public libraries
Public parks
On-street parking for the cars of people going to bars

Actually none of them are free. None of them would exist without the absurdly high taxes were pay for a grossly wasteful government.

[Anonymous]

What do U St businesses think?