Questions about DOGE and RTO

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fully remote should be eliminated except some special cases, like if the job has quota.

Is fully remote a huge thing? Maybe I'm just not well connected bc I don't understand where this omg feds NEVER go to the office, they're sitting home for 4+ years even comes from. Most people I know at various agencies go in 2-6 times per pay period. So 1-3 times/week. And at my agency people do it - it isn't mgmt looking the other way so people not coming in.

The places where it is an established thing do not want it rolled back. I am a fully remote employee, have been since 2017, so is fully half my team and both my team and office and directorate would be very upset if I got fired for this stupid reason as I am an excellent employee

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fully remote should be eliminated except some special cases, like if the job has quota.

Is fully remote a huge thing? Maybe I'm just not well connected bc I don't understand where this omg feds NEVER go to the office, they're sitting home for 4+ years even comes from. Most people I know at various agencies go in 2-6 times per pay period. So 1-3 times/week. And at my agency people do it - it isn't mgmt looking the other way so people not coming in.

No, it's already special cases and quota jobs. Fully remote exists but is not the norm.

There are some people fully remote in every agency. Other employees do not like it because why someone has the special treatment? You also never see them. Most of the remote employees are not special or in demand. These positions should be eliminited.

We have hired people who are fully remote (like live in other parts of the country). Maybe 10 people in my office are fully remote. This is different than someone teleworking a few days a week but lives near the office. I don't see why we should eliminate the fully remote - we've hired some good people that way.

We've been much more successful in recruiting since we went remote. We were able to hire attorneys who didn't want to uproot their families or had a spouse's job.

Then these attorneys should not be hired. Enough supply of attorneys in DC want to work for fed government. Most remote employees got hired through connections, not merit.

Not in my office. We’ve had some amazing attorney hires recently who live in other parts other country. They didn’t have connections, just sent in a resume like anyone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fully remote should be eliminated except some special cases, like if the job has quota.

Is fully remote a huge thing? Maybe I'm just not well connected bc I don't understand where this omg feds NEVER go to the office, they're sitting home for 4+ years even comes from. Most people I know at various agencies go in 2-6 times per pay period. So 1-3 times/week. And at my agency people do it - it isn't mgmt looking the other way so people not coming in.

The places where it is an established thing do not want it rolled back. I am a fully remote employee, have been since 2017, so is fully half my team and both my team and office and directorate would be very upset if I got fired for this stupid reason as I am an excellent employee

I know there are a lot of misconceptions about remote work. I've literally had ten years of outstanding ratings and I've consistently performed significantly above outstanding on multiple metrics. I've trained new hires as well.

I've been headhunted by private firms offering me 3x my pay, but because I'm a parent the flexibility and work at home means a lot to me, so I've stayed. Being able to work at home means that on days my kids are sick the government still gets work from me. But if that flexibility is gone, there is no reason to stay. And other people in my position will be gone, taking our decades of specialized knowledge with us.

[Anonymous]

Look at the several posts above - fully remote people have tried to defend themselves so desperately ... this says something.

Advice: you should start to look for other jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at the several posts above - fully remote people have tried to defend themselves so desperately ... this says something.

Advice: you should start to look for other jobs.

I don't think pointing out that I'm a good employee is defending myself 'desperately'. Government is something broadly misunderstood by the public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at the several posts above - fully remote people have tried to defend themselves so desperately ... this says something.

Advice: you should start to look for other jobs.

Maybe you should think about what makes sense. I go back to the office, TP are paying for my space, paying my transit subsidy for me to work with people who do not work in the same part of the country. Even my manager is in a different city. What is your goal? How is the world better?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION. On the list of important priorities, RTO (and most of the entire DOGE schtick), is maybe number 56.

Social security is going bankrupt, debt is exploding, imminent war with Russia and maybe China, military hallowed out, immigration, bird flu etc etc.

There’s a REASON why Trump didn’t do anything with feds in first term — He only has so much time, capacity, and political capital.

Anyone who asks for a meeting with Trump to chat about their plans to bring GS 13 Debbie back into the office won’t make it very far.

good point but this is what his base wants.

DP - no it’s not. Most people who voted for him did so because of concerns about the economy and/or immigration. Hating Feds is not their top priority. No one cares except Elon and Vivek.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION. On the list of important priorities, RTO (and most of the entire DOGE schtick), is maybe number 56.

Social security is going bankrupt, debt is exploding, imminent war with Russia and maybe China, military hallowed out, immigration, bird flu etc etc.

There’s a REASON why Trump didn’t do anything with feds in first term — He only has so much time, capacity, and political capital.

Anyone who asks for a meeting with Trump to chat about their plans to bring GS 13 Debbie back into the office won’t make it very far.

good point but this is what his base wants.

DP - no it’s not. Most people who voted for him did so because of concerns about the economy and/or immigration. Hating Feds is not their top priority. No one cares except Elon and Vivek.

Seems a lot of people care and are cheering them on....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION. On the list of important priorities, RTO (and most of the entire DOGE schtick), is maybe number 56.

Social security is going bankrupt, debt is exploding, imminent war with Russia and maybe China, military hallowed out, immigration, bird flu etc etc.

There’s a REASON why Trump didn’t do anything with feds in first term — He only has so much time, capacity, and political capital.

Anyone who asks for a meeting with Trump to chat about their plans to bring GS 13 Debbie back into the office won’t make it very far.

good point but this is what his base wants.

NP and I don't think that's true. I just don't think most people care that much about the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the several posts above - fully remote people have tried to defend themselves so desperately ... this says something.

Advice: you should start to look for other jobs.

Maybe you should think about what makes sense. I go back to the office, TP are paying for my space, paying my transit subsidy for me to work with people who do not work in the same part of the country. Even my manager is in a different city. What is your goal? How is the world better?

+1. I am full time remote but there is a field office near me. In an RTO situation I would go into that office where they would be forced to find space for me that they don't have so that I can work with not a single person in the building. My team consists of about 5 people located in DC (including my manager) and a 5 located in cities spread across the US. None of them work in my city. There would be absolutely nothing gained by forcing me to go into that office. Asking my team to have everyone in DC and onsite would decimate our team and absolutely be terrible for our office as we are not a team of old 35 year lazy feds pulling our salary until we want to retire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fully remote should be eliminated except some special cases, like if the job has quota.

Is fully remote a huge thing? Maybe I'm just not well connected bc I don't understand where this omg feds NEVER go to the office, they're sitting home for 4+ years even comes from. Most people I know at various agencies go in 2-6 times per pay period. So 1-3 times/week. And at my agency people do it - it isn't mgmt looking the other way so people not coming in.

No, it's already special cases and quota jobs. Fully remote exists but is not the norm.

There are some people fully remote in every agency. Other employees do not like it because why someone has the special treatment? You also never see them. Most of the remote employees are not special or in demand. These positions should be eliminited.

We have hired people who are fully remote (like live in other parts of the country). Maybe 10 people in my office are fully remote. This is different than someone teleworking a few days a week but lives near the office. I don't see why we should eliminate the fully remote - we've hired some good people that way.

We've been much more successful in recruiting since we went remote. We were able to hire attorneys who didn't want to uproot their families or had a spouse's job.

Then these attorneys should not be hired. Enough supply of attorneys in DC want to work for fed government. Most remote employees got hired through connections, not merit.

Another sweeping generalization based on nothing. Troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION. On the list of important priorities, RTO (and most of the entire DOGE schtick), is maybe number 56.

Social security is going bankrupt, debt is exploding, imminent war with Russia and maybe China, military hallowed out, immigration, bird flu etc etc.

There’s a REASON why Trump didn’t do anything with feds in first term — He only has so much time, capacity, and political capital.

Anyone who asks for a meeting with Trump to chat about their plans to bring GS 13 Debbie back into the office won’t make it very far.

good point but this is what his base wants.

NP and I don't think that's true. I just don't think most people care that much about the issue.

Read the comments on X.
The entire DOGE idea has energized all of the Joe Rogan listeners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION. On the list of important priorities, RTO (and most of the entire DOGE schtick), is maybe number 56.

Social security is going bankrupt, debt is exploding, imminent war with Russia and maybe China, military hallowed out, immigration, bird flu etc etc.

There’s a REASON why Trump didn’t do anything with feds in first term — He only has so much time, capacity, and political capital.

Anyone who asks for a meeting with Trump to chat about their plans to bring GS 13 Debbie back into the office won’t make it very far.

good point but this is what his base wants.

NP and I don't think that's true. I just don't think most people care that much about the issue.

Read the comments on X.
The entire DOGE idea has energized all of the Joe Rogan listeners.

Cannot wait for Joe Rogan listeners to voluntarily move to DC for no money to work for DOGE 80 hours/week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the several posts above - fully remote people have tried to defend themselves so desperately ... this says something.

Advice: you should start to look for other jobs.

Maybe you should think about what makes sense. I go back to the office, TP are paying for my space, paying my transit subsidy for me to work with people who do not work in the same part of the country. Even my manager is in a different city. What is your goal? How is the world better?

+1. I am full time remote but there is a field office near me. In an RTO situation I would go into that office where they would be forced to find space for me that they don't have so that I can work with not a single person in the building. My team consists of about 5 people located in DC (including my manager) and a 5 located in cities spread across the US. None of them work in my city. There would be absolutely nothing gained by forcing me to go into that office. Asking my team to have everyone in DC and onsite would decimate our team and absolutely be terrible for our office as we are not a team of old 35 year lazy feds pulling our salary until we want to retire.

Stop trying to argue logic with these trolls. Trump, his "appointees" like Vivek and his supporters aren't making any recommendations based on logic or reason. If they were operating in good faith about trying to maximize efficiency and save money for the government, they wouldn't recommend that all fed workers in every agency and every instance all have to be in the office 8-5 every day. This will increase traffic, increase emissions, require more government office space, etc etc etc. It will drain away good talent. We could list all the upsides and downsides of going back to the office full time and they DONT CARE. Trump and his cult just want to hurt people. They just want to burn it all down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION. On the list of important priorities, RTO (and most of the entire DOGE schtick), is maybe number 56.

Social security is going bankrupt, debt is exploding, imminent war with Russia and maybe China, military hallowed out, immigration, bird flu etc etc.

There’s a REASON why Trump didn’t do anything with feds in first term — He only has so much time, capacity, and political capital.

Anyone who asks for a meeting with Trump to chat about their plans to bring GS 13 Debbie back into the office won’t make it very far.

good point but this is what his base wants.

NP and I don't think that's true. I just don't think most people care that much about the issue.

Read the comments on X.
The entire DOGE idea has energized all of the Joe Rogan listeners.

I am sure people care about cutting costs (i.e. programs) but not specifically RTO. Comments on X aren't really that representative, if even 1% of the population commented you'd have like 3 million comments.