Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not like the next POTUS can do anything about it. Congress can (but has failed to find a consensus in decades), and States can.

OP - yes states can do something about it but many southern states are going even further in the right where it is not allowed at all. Many women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. Abortion should be allowed up to 24 weeks, which is 4 weeks after a normal anatomy scan.

I argue with my mom (staunch pro lifer) all the time about this. She insists if women get pregnant accidentally or by rape or whatever then they should just be forced to carry the baby and give it up for adoption. What she doesn't have any empathy for is how hard it is on a woman's body when they are pregnant. My body is permanently hurt due to my 3 pregnancies. All very much wanted. But I have terrible pains and I don't think I could carry another pregnancy even if I wanted to.

I’ve never understood this argument. Even if we assume for the sake of argument that a fetus is a baby from day one, why does that mean the mother must sacrifice any portion of her body for the child if she does not want to? No one would force a mother to give a kidney to her child, even if most of us agree that she should. We also agree that it is up to the mom to choose whether to give her kidney or not.

Because the average person feels that even though a mother shouldn’t be forced to do so, a mother who chooses not to is pretty shitty.

Many people support abortion on a purely legal basis but still feel like in most instances, elective abortions are rather morally vile.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Not voting for Trump, but think the hysterics (pun intended) are hyperbole. Republican women are not much different from Democrat women. I believe that reasonable policies will take place. I also believe Roe was bad precedent for ruling from the Ben h in many issues, and have asked for decades if this was so important why wasn’t it legislated or put in the constitution. Politicians should have continued to debate until there was a resolution among them.

Reasonable policies lead to Amber Thurman’s death and her young son’s being motherless.

The Supreme Court interprets the constitutionality of our laws. They’re the highest court in the land and the final authority. The SC ruled in Roe that women have the right to abortion access. After 40+ years of Roe being the law of the land, all 3 of Trump’s SC nominees said they considered it to be settled law. Why would Congress debate settled law? The people who need to explain themselves are the ones who threw out precedent they indicated was settled.

Amber Thurman died of a botched legal abortion, not because of withholding an abortion FFS.

She died because she was denied timely treatment after suffering an abortion complication. She was denied the treatment for 20 hours because the hospital was worried they’d be in legal trouble for treating her, due to abortion restrictions with punitive measures for medical providers who run afoul of these restrictions. Even though Georgia has an exception for the life of the mother, Amber Thurman wasn’t given the necessary treatment until it was too late to save her because medical professionals weren’t sure exactly when her death would be “imminent,” but could still be prevented. Unfortunately, they guessed wrong.

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So she got an abortion??

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Then why are you complaining about it??

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Complications are inherent risk in all medical procedures.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Some white women prefer the benefits of white supremacy over reproductive rights, especially the older ladies.

Young college educated women are coming out in droves for Harris.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Used to be a single issue pro choice voter but no longer. Pro-choice groups went way too far left the past few years on this and have done a good job convincing me that I no longer agree much with them. Now it’s probably issue number 4 or 5 on my priority list.

I would like to hear more about this. Which pro choice groups and in what ways did they shift to the left? If you were once pro choice, why does it no longer concern you that so many American women have lost rights that were once important to you?

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Anonymous wrote:So she got an abortion??

And then was denied timely lifesaving care because of abortion restrictions.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Some white women prefer the benefits of white supremacy over reproductive rights, especially the older ladies.

Young college educated women are coming out in droves for Harris.

Oh, so now Dems hate older white women? Add us to the list.

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Reproductive rights are available in every drugstore and clinic in America. You can get them mailed to your house after a virtual visit. So stop whining. No woman has an excuse for abortion in 2024. That’s why so few are performed today. Use birth control and stop whining about your irresponsibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

+1

No more performative women pink hat marches AFTER a Trump win like in 2016.

Vote Trump out NOW.

Vote for reproductive freedom.

Harris for the win.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Some white women prefer the benefits of white supremacy over reproductive rights, especially the older ladies.

Young college educated women are coming out in droves for Harris.

Oh, so now Dems hate older white women? Add us to the list.

Dems love ALL women.

The GOP does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Complications are inherent risk in all medical procedures.

Yes, but patients who are diagnosed with sepsis are usually treated immediately, not the next day. The standard of care for sepsis was denied to Amber because of Georgia’s abortion laws. Someone who is pro-life should be very upset that doctors were discouraged from saving her life. A medical panel ruled that her death was preventable, despite her abortion complications. She was denied the standard of care.

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Anonymous wrote:Complications are inherent risk in all medical procedures.

Yes, but patients who are diagnosed with sepsis are usually treated immediately, not the next day. The standard of care for sepsis was denied to Amber because of Georgia’s abortion laws. Someone who is pro-life should be very upset that doctors were discouraged from saving her life. A medical panel ruled that her death was preventable, despite her abortion complications. She was denied the standard of care.

Propublica’s own publication acknowledges that there is no evidence that doctors waited because of legal risk, noting that abortion to save the life of the mother is legal: “There is also an exception, included in most bans, to allow abortions “necessary in order to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or the substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function.””

“It is not clear from the records available why doctors waited to provide a D&C to Thurman.“

“The committee does not interview doctors involved with the case or ask hospitals to respond to its findings. “

So you are just completely speculating about why the doctors acted as they did when Amber experienced rare but serious complications from an abortion pill.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Some white women prefer the benefits of white supremacy over reproductive rights, especially the older ladies.

Young college educated women are coming out in droves for Harris.

Oh, so now Dems hate older white women? Add us to the list.

Dems love ALL women.

The GOP does not.

Dems don’t love pro-life women.