Navy Elementary - Principal Resignation

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

The Ss/Sci curriculum is the same across AAP and Gen Ed. Considering the AAP team is also part of the overall 6th grade team, I’m assuming he was providing the plans because he was the only teacher on the 6th grade team who had current SS plans. I’m assuming Mr. Cohen would have helped out with the science plans once that block started.

Yes but what was the communication like between the AAP team and the gen Ed team during this time?

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Anonymous wrote:So do you all honestly think things will improve once the current principal is gone? Seriously ask yourselves this.

I don't know who wanted this. I was good when I heard his plan on Friday. If I had a younger kid, I would also be worried about teacher turn over next year. I feel like the 6th grade team was pulled thru the ringer this year and I wouldn't blame them if they left.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

Be very direct with your questions. Admin types love to talk in circles and fluff.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

They are only doing the questions submitted earlier this week which were due by Tuesday at 8 pm. No live questions.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

The higher ups don’t know what was going on either as they aren’t there on a daily basis. The only ones who know are the admin and the team itself.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

They are only doing the questions submitted earlier this week which were due by Tuesday at 8 pm. No live questions.

Oh really? What is this, a Kamala Harris town hall?

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

That doesn't mean it's right. Teachers are starting to say no and stick to contract hours. They have a ton on their plate with all the new curriculum this year and meetings/trainings. There has to be an end to their day.

But it’s also not right for a class to be left entirely on their own with a sub without real lesson plans. That’s where admin dropped the ball.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

The higher ups don’t know what was going on either as they aren’t there on a daily basis. The only ones who know are the admin and the team itself.

At some point the teachers need to be forthcoming on their issues. No need for this to remain a mystery after 15 months.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

They are only doing the questions submitted earlier this week which were due by Tuesday at 8 pm. No live questions.

Oh really? What is this, a Kamala Harris town hall?

They can’t handle live questions bc they want to give scripted, vague answers. Nothing is going to be solved tonight. The chaos is going to get worse.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

The higher ups don’t know what was going on either as they aren’t there on a daily basis. The only ones who know are the admin and the team itself.

At some point the teachers need to be forthcoming on their issues. No need for this to remain a mystery after 15 months.

Perhaps they did discuss the issues on the survey? I am really curious what they are.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

The higher ups don’t know what was going on either as they aren’t there on a daily basis. The only ones who know are the admin and the team itself.

At some point the teachers need to be forthcoming on their issues. No need for this to remain a mystery after 15 months.

Perhaps they did discuss the issues on the survey? I am really curious what they are.

Maybe we should ask the SUB? Oh wait, she moved on to a private school.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

They are only doing the questions submitted earlier this week which were due by Tuesday at 8 pm. No live questions.

That goes against the very definition of a townhall. The email said he would provide written answers to the submitted questions which indicates to most parents that other questions can be asked. Otherwise send the responses out on an email and don’t waste our time.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the only issue on the surface this year has been the 6th grade class (not to diminish the frustrations with it at all), but FCPS has messed up with the resignation of the principal. He was finding his way and the majority of the school was doing great under him. I believe test scores were way up, most of the students were happy. I don’t know what went wrong, but ppl should have some tough questions for the assistant superintendent meeting tonight. Back to square one.

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes.

This is precisely why parents need to come in with tough questions for the meeting tonight. I definitely will.

They are only doing the questions submitted earlier this week which were due by Tuesday at 8 pm. No live questions.

That goes against the very definition of a townhall. The email said he would provide written answers to the submitted questions which indicates to most parents that other questions can be asked. Otherwise send the responses out on an email and don’t waste our time.

Not to mention, those questions were submitted before the resignation was announced. They will need to pivot to address community concerns and parents will be demanding answers.