If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

None of these schools is equal to, let alone >, UMD. C'mon, man.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Rutgers is perfectly fine

Not sure what the deal is with SUNY and why it has lost so much ground. 30 years ago, Binghamton was very well thought of.

In the weird bubble we were in (dance programs), the nj and ny publics are some of the most sought after programs in the country. Montclair in nj and suny-purchase are top dogs, with Rutgers and Buffalo not far behind.

SUNY hadn’t lost ground as much as others have risen up. Buffalo was to become the flagship when it was taken over in the 60’s but downstate politics always hindered funding which meant that there are now two very good but not elite large schools and one very good but not elite mid-large school.

They are model tinkering with SUNY Oswego so we will see what the future holds with the demographics changing over the next couple of decades.

What is the plan for SUNY Oswego?

Not entirely sure but they reclassified it as a University and have been slowly adding engineering programs as well as more grad programs. The engineering programs are ABET so they are doing it right. Only speculation but they might be thinking of evolving to a more regional approach down the road with fewer 'colleges' as the demographics change.

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Agree but the history of how and why NJ and NY schools were for,Ed, vs large state schools in other states, is very different

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Typo - how and why they were formed

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Anonymous wrote:In the midwest there aren't a lot of good private universities. You have U Chicago and Northwestern. After that, state universities like Wisconsin and Michigan look great.

Uh, Notre Dame, Wash U., Case-Western?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

This. Grew up in NY State, and many of our brightest middle class students went to Cornell to one of the land-grant schools. de facto state school, people outside of the state don't seem to realize this.

I dont consider private 70k schools a "de facto state school"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

This. Grew up in NY State, and many of our brightest middle class students went to Cornell to one of the land-grant schools. de facto state school, people outside of the state don't seem to realize this.

I dont consider private 70k schools a "de facto state school"

I'm assuming that the tuition for the state colleges for in state students especially is less than the privates colleges (arts and sciences, engineering, hotel management etc). Back in the day it was significantly less expensive. I was in one of the state colleges there and you can bet that on campus they are seen as de facto state schools. But that was a long time ago.

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Rutgers is an excellent university. Surely in a better location than Wisconsin and better job opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Half of Cornell is land-grant and they are required to take a certain number of New York residents who pay a different New York resident tuition rate.

Very limited and it’s still pricey, not regular SUNY rates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Half of Cornell is land-grant and they are required to take a certain number of New York residents who pay a different New York resident tuition rate.

Very limited and it’s still pricey, not regular SUNY rates

It's like 45 k a year compared to close to 70K for non-residents. Not cheap to be sure, but cheaper...

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Rutgers is excellent. Where is this coming from? Granted. For some reason, Wisconsin attracts more out of state, not sure why.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

This. Grew up in NY State, and many of our brightest middle class students went to Cornell to one of the land-grant schools. de facto state school, people outside of the state don't seem to realize this.

I dont consider private 70k schools a "de facto state school"

It's cheaper for ny state residents (the land grant schools).

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Rutgers has always seemed similar to Maryland to me. Good school in a less than ideal location but lots of kids who “settled” for the school.

NYS has Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

This. Grew up in NY State, and many of our brightest middle class students went to Cornell to one of the land-grant schools. de facto state school, people outside of the state don't seem to realize this.

I dont consider private 70k schools a "de facto state school"

It's cheaper for ny state residents (the land grant schools).

it = Cornell. The land grant schools in Cornell at actually a part of the SUNY system. So you get an Ivy League degree but it is cheaper. I know because my brother went to one.

https://www.suny.edu/campuses/cornell/

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Many in state residents want to go to Wisconsin, state education isn’t as stigmatized as the 95 corridor state on the east coast.