If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason why so many NJ and NY kids go to school out of state or private.

Money.

They have the funds to send their kids away - out of state tuition and transportation to/from home for breaks.

The entire tri state area has a large concentration of high income earners so it makes sense their kids would have the opportunity to live in a new place for four years that other state kids might not have.

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The perception is that state school is for the poors.

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Indiana? Penn State? Ohio State? Those are absolutely on par with or better than Maryland. Rutgers is better than Maryland. This is a weird thread.

? says who?

According to Forbes, UMD is a public ivy. Penn, Ohio and Rutger are not. Oh, and a SUNY is on the list.

Binghamton University - New York
Georgie Institute of Technology - Georgia
University of Florida - Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign- Illinois
University of Maryland - College Park
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Texas - Austin
University of Virginia - Virginia
University of Wisconsin - Madison

You think some stupid clickbait from Forbes is determinative?

The relative strength of a public flagship should be a) how well and affordablh it educates its state’s grads to take up professions useful to the state; b) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the specific needs of the state (ie supporting state agriculture and industry) c) how well it generates and disseminates knowledge for the benefit of the world; and d) production of enriching arts and humanities.

Forbes looks at outcome, which is important to most people.

You think we should listen to some self aggrandizing anonymous poster?

It's a dumb list. It doesn't even include CA schools.

And if you actually do think it's meaningful, does the #10 school offer anything substantially different than the #11 school?

"Top 10" and "Public ivies" are clickbait. Anyone can choose some arbitrary methodology to come up with any list they want. They just want to get their views.

You should read the article first before responding.

"These 10 state universities, spread across the U.S., attract high-achievers and turn out hard-working, highly-regarded employees," editors wrote, noting that California schools were not included as they don't consider test scores.

Forbes compiled an "exclusive survey" of hiring managers to help identify 10 public universities and 10 private ones that are "turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types."

According to the report, the methodology looked to hiring managers to help analyze the data for more than 1,700 colleges of at least 4,000 students, taking into account admissions data, standardized test scores and more.

And U of WI touts this list. I guess U of WI got sucked into a clickbait site, too. They must be a crap university to tout this crap list.

https://news.wisc.edu/forbes-names-uw-madison-as-new-ivy/

Yes, like I said, that quote says they neglected to include UC schools.

Yes, colleges like to promote to drive up application numbers.

You suck at critical thinking and logic. Guess you didn’t go to any of these schools.

Yes, they neglected because UCs don't look at SAT scores.

Yes, colleges like to promote themselves, including U WI. I guess the people who work at the U WI who touted the list don't have any critical thinking skills and logic, either. I'd think twice, then, about sending my kid there, by your logic.

That just shows how arbitrary the list is.

Clickbait.

You should tell U WI to not promote the article then.

They do it so idiots who eat up clickbait will apply.

So, you think a school that wants idiots to apply is a good school?

The fact that their admissions office wants to drive down their acceptance rate isn’t relevant to the quality of education.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason why so many NJ and NY kids go to school out of state or private.

Money.

They have the funds to send their kids away - out of state tuition and transportation to/from home for breaks.

The entire tri state area has a large concentration of high income earners so it makes sense their kids would have the opportunity to live in a new place for four years that other state kids might not have.

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The perception is that state school is for the poors.

True. Although I know a few doctors and dentists whose kids are at Stony Brook, Binghamton and Buffalo. Saving money especially if they are continuing their education after undergrad.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason why so many NJ and NY kids go to school out of state or private.

Money.

They have the funds to send their kids away - out of state tuition and transportation to/from home for breaks.

The entire tri state area has a large concentration of high income earners so it makes sense their kids would have the opportunity to live in a new place for four years that other state kids might not have.

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The perception is that state school is for the poors.

Those Lowly state schools are for the doors. Hence the Pell grant emphasis in US News. Gotta keep those UC schools up in the rankings.

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*poors

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Rutgers not on the same level as Wisconsin Madison?

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason why so many NJ and NY kids go to school out of state or private.

Money.

They have the funds to send their kids away - out of state tuition and transportation to/from home for breaks.

The entire tri state area has a large concentration of high income earners so it makes sense their kids would have the opportunity to live in a new place for four years that other state kids might not have.

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The perception is that state school is for the poors.

Just NJ "state" school? Because that thinking doesn't make sense for many other states' schools where the non-poor attend.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

This. Grew up in NY State, and many of our brightest middle class students went to Cornell to one of the land-grant schools. de facto state school, people outside of the state don't seem to realize this.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Rutgers is perfectly fine

Not sure what the deal is with SUNY and why it has lost so much ground. 30 years ago, Binghamton was very well thought of.

In the weird bubble we were in (dance programs), the nj and ny publics are some of the most sought after programs in the country. Montclair in nj and suny-purchase are top dogs, with Rutgers and Buffalo not far behind.

SUNY hadn’t lost ground as much as others have risen up. Buffalo was to become the flagship when it was taken over in the 60’s but downstate politics always hindered funding which meant that there are now two very good but not elite large schools and one very good but not elite mid-large school.

They are model tinkering with SUNY Oswego so we will see what the future holds with the demographics changing over the next couple of decades.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire northeast lacks top notch public universities. And that is mostly due to history. The Ivy League has existed since the 18th Century. Most of the SLACs in the region arose in the 19th Century. It wasn't until fairly recently that a significant number of people even went to college. Until then, the Ivies and the LACs more than filled the demand for higher education.

In younger parts of the country, the need for tertiary education arose as population increased. There is no Harvard in Texas. There is no Princeton in Michigan. States in the South, Midwest, and the West had far greater need for good public universities. There was nothing else.

And those realities remain true today. All the good public universities are in the South, Midwest, and West. And the Northeast continues to suck at public education. That's not likely to change.

This is absolutely not true. NE has strong public universities, and NY certainly does. You are making educational decisions based on how well known their sports teams are, for the most part

Nonsense. There is no public university in the Northeast that competes with Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Purdue, UIUC, Michigan, Washington, Georgia Tech, UMD, Virginia Tech, William and Mary, UC Davis and on and on. And don't reply with Cornell and MIT are technically land grant universities so therefore they are the best public colleges in America. Tedious semantics that have nothing to do with reality. The rest of the country values affordable public education much more than the NE.

The rest of the country needed public education because of a lack of supply. The Northeast had no shortage. At the end of WWll NY had a research university in every major city except Albany. They had a huge supply of “normal schools” and LACs as well. SUNY developed accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:SUNY is generally pretty corrupt and inept these days. Losing enrollment for the last five years. Geneseo, the flagship, is run by a president under federal investigation. Binghamton is the best, but it's nowhere close to RPI, Cornell, or other privates. The rest of the SUNY schools are now basically no-names.

Stony Brook and Buffalo are the NY flagships.

Yeah, yeah, look at my last post - and you're wrong anyway, cause it's Binghamton.

I keep having to correct you idiots:

https://news.stonybrook.edu/university/governor-hochul-names-stony-brook-a-flagship-university-in-state-of-the-state-address/

Ok. I mean, I disagree with her, but sure. I guess she gets to designate the flagships. As long as it's not Geneseo. Geneseo has turned into garbage.

Geneseo has always been crap.

Someone’s kids didn’t get in.

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Cornell has more than one college (maybe seven??). One or more college at Cornell is funded by New York State.

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In the midwest there aren't a lot of good private universities. You have U Chicago and Northwestern. After that, state universities like Wisconsin and Michigan look great.

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

+1 And Binghamton is considered a "public Ivy." Stonybrook is great for sciences. I went to HS in NY, and students who were accepted to Ivies but whose families couldn't afford them did attend the SUNYs. Even the CUNYs have had some really stellar students--they get a lot of poor immigrants who end up becoming renowned in their fields.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Rutgers is perfectly fine

Not sure what the deal is with SUNY and why it has lost so much ground. 30 years ago, Binghamton was very well thought of.

In the weird bubble we were in (dance programs), the nj and ny publics are some of the most sought after programs in the country. Montclair in nj and suny-purchase are top dogs, with Rutgers and Buffalo not far behind.

SUNY hadn’t lost ground as much as others have risen up. Buffalo was to become the flagship when it was taken over in the 60’s but downstate politics always hindered funding which meant that there are now two very good but not elite large schools and one very good but not elite mid-large school.

They are model tinkering with SUNY Oswego so we will see what the future holds with the demographics changing over the next couple of decades.

What is the plan for SUNY Oswego?