If Wisconsin has a good state flagship, why can’t New Jersey or New York?

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Anonymous wrote:Rutgers is excellent. Where is this coming from? Granted. For some reason, Wisconsin attracts more out of state, not sure why.

Rutgers may have a strong academic program, but the campus experience and overall college atmosphere is night and day different from WI. And that matters a lot to many young adults, particularly if they are looking for that big school experience. And Madison is a great college town.

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I reject OP's premise. SUNY Stonybrook is ranked #56 out 436 universities nationwide. Its in-state tuition is about 10K (not including books and housing). It's pretty similar to U. Maryland's rankings.

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You need football to bring in $$4 to attract kids.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

This. Grew up in NY State, and many of our brightest middle class students went to Cornell to one of the land-grant schools. de facto state school, people outside of the state don't seem to realize this.

I dont consider private 70k schools a "de facto state school"

It's cheaper for ny state residents (the land grant schools).

70k is the land grant tuition for in state. That's COA

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Anonymous wrote:What?
New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

This. Grew up in NY State, and many of our brightest middle class students went to Cornell to one of the land-grant schools. de facto state school, people outside of the state don't seem to realize this.

I dont consider private 70k schools a "de facto state school"

It's cheaper for ny state residents (the land grant schools).

it = Cornell. The land grant schools in Cornell at actually a part of the SUNY system. So you get an Ivy League degree but it is cheaper. I know because my brother went to one.

https://www.suny.edu/campuses/cornell/

again, it's 70k. SUNYs are a lot cheaper. I know because I live here right now.

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New York has the land grant colleges at Cornell.
Amazing.

Cornell is private. U Buffalo is notoriously underfunded. The closest public to Wisconsin in the northeast is U Maryland. Even then, it’s only comparable for cs.

Half of Cornell is land-grant and they are required to take a certain number of New York residents who pay a different New York resident tuition rate.

Very limited and it’s still pricey, not regular SUNY rates

It's like 45 k a year compared to close to 70K for non-residents. Not cheap to be sure, but cheaper...

48k tuition only. that's for in-state, contract college price. FYI, Harvard is 56k

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so you do get to pay a little less. and you get to have lots of under-informed people you paid SUNY rates for the rest of your life.

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Anonymous wrote:In the midwest there aren't a lot of good private universities. You have U Chicago and Northwestern. After that, state universities like Wisconsin and Michigan look great.

Uh, Notre Dame, Wash U., Case-Western?

Wisconsin and Michigan look better than those to a lot of people.

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Rutgers, Bing, and Stony Brook are superior state flagship schools. Part of Cornell is also a good state school (agriculture, vet, hotel, labor, etc.).

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As everybody else said, NYS has a much better deal. They have Cornell;s state school….which is better than anything Wisconsin can offer…

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Anonymous wrote:As everybody else said, NYS has a much better deal. They have Cornell;s state school….which is better than anything Wisconsin can offer…

For the 10th time, Cornell is not a state school. The state connected programs are limited and still expensive.

The reason NY doesn’t have schools as ‘good as’ WI or Michigan or MD is largely a problem of perception not education quality. These schools don’t have big sports programs and in NY at least, there are a number of strong options, so no one state school stands out. But don’t tell me WI or MD is ‘better’ than stony brook or bing. Not accurate.

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^ kids from NY often leave bc they have $$ and it’s always more fun to go elsewhere. I rejected a full ride at my state school back in the day, one that many NYers apply to. Again, perception. If NY parents want to think their NY kid is getting a ‘better’ education at a state school like WI over a SUNY, sure, let them. But it’s really not accurate

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Anonymous wrote:As everybody else said, NYS has a much better deal. They have Cornell;s state school….which is better than anything Wisconsin can offer…

For the 10th time, Cornell is not a state school. The state connected programs are limited and still expensive.

The reason NY doesn’t have schools as ‘good as’ WI or Michigan or MD is largely a problem of perception not education quality. These schools don’t have big sports programs and in NY at least, there are a number of strong options, so no one state school stands out. But don’t tell me WI or MD is ‘better’ than stony brook or bing. Not accurate.

Cornell has the land grant colleges. New Yorkers can save 25K off the price that out-of staters who pay full price. Yes, more expensive, but the cheapest Ivy League education possible is available to NY residents only. As someone pointed out upthread, SUNY Stonybrook is ranked similarly to U Maryland (and SUNY Stonybrook has a lower tuition than Maryland).

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Anonymous wrote:I think Rutgers is perfectly fine

Not sure what the deal is with SUNY and why it has lost so much ground. 30 years ago, Binghamton was very well thought of.

In the weird bubble we were in (dance programs), the nj and ny publics are some of the most sought after programs in the country. Montclair in nj and suny-purchase are top dogs, with Rutgers and Buffalo not far behind.

SUNY hadn’t lost ground as much as others have risen up. Buffalo was to become the flagship when it was taken over in the 60’s but downstate politics always hindered funding which meant that there are now two very good but not elite large schools and one very good but not elite mid-large school.

They are model tinkering with SUNY Oswego so we will see what the future holds with the demographics changing over the next couple of decades.

What is the plan for SUNY Oswego?

Not entirely sure but they reclassified it as a University and have been slowly adding engineering programs as well as more grad programs. The engineering programs are ABET so they are doing it right. Only speculation but they might be thinking of evolving to a more regional approach down the road with fewer 'colleges' as the demographics change.

Interesting. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:As everybody else said, NYS has a much better deal. They have Cornell;s state school….which is better than anything Wisconsin can offer…

It depends on the individual program. Wisconsin is stronger in some areas, while Cornell is stronger in others. Make the comparison when your kid knows what they want to study. Cornell being the lowest Ivy is a bit of a joke among the others. Wisconsin comes out ahead in some areas.