King Charles and Prince William wished Harry a Happy 40th Birthday!

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

I wouldn't trust any parent who raises a child from birth to be a spare. There is a reason that younger royals routinely go off the rails

Charles was born into it and had two kids. Not sure what "raise to be a spare" means. That's how it's been in noble families forever, just by incident of birth order: the oldest gets the title and castle. And tbh it is a bit like this in ALL families: the oldest is more dutiful and responsible and the second one less so. It's certainly that way for me and my brother.

It's always been that way and younger royal siblings have historically been massive screwups. All things considered, Harry is well adjusted, certainly better than Uncle Andrew

He'll be fine. Meghan and the kids will be fine. They just need to enjoy their lives and put the past behind them.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

I wouldn't trust any parent who raises a child from birth to be a spare. There is a reason that younger royals routinely go off the rails

Great. No family ties for you, Harry, and Meghan.

Right, everyone involved seems fine with that. It’s the fans online that can’t stand that Harry isn’t begging to get back into the fold.

Actually, it's the whining and grifting we can't stand. Everyone is fine with him putting the past behind him and moving on with his nuclear family.

The book came out almost two years ago. Again it’s the fans who haven’t stopped whining since. Harry’s moved on, at some point y’all have to, too.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

I wouldn't trust any parent who raises a child from birth to be a spare. There is a reason that younger royals routinely go off the rails

Great. No family ties for you, Harry, and Meghan.

Right, everyone involved seems fine with that. It’s the fans online that can’t stand that Harry isn’t begging to get back into the fold.

Actually, it's the whining and grifting we can't stand. Everyone is fine with him putting the past behind him and moving on with his nuclear family.

The book came out almost two years ago. Again it’s the fans who haven’t stopped whining since. Harry’s moved on, at some point y’all have to, too.

Hmmm...the book is gone? No paperbacks? No recordings of Oprah's show? Yeah, everyone move on....

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Anonymous wrote:Harry is a laughing stock, he had no idea things would turn out this way

He was one of the most popular royals and people loved to see him. I witnessed this myself at Royal Ascot when he made a presentation of a trophy. People cheered! He would ride in the carriage with the Queen. He never dreamed he would fall so far from public grace. It's sad what he has lost.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

I wouldn't trust any parent who raises a child from birth to be a spare. There is a reason that younger royals routinely go off the rails

Great. No family ties for you, Harry, and Meghan.

Right, everyone involved seems fine with that. It’s the fans online that can’t stand that Harry isn’t begging to get back into the fold.

Actually, it's the whining and grifting we can't stand. Everyone is fine with him putting the past behind him and moving on with his nuclear family.

The book came out almost two years ago. Again it’s the fans who haven’t stopped whining since. Harry’s moved on, at some point y’all have to, too.

Hmmm...the book is gone? No paperbacks? No recordings of Oprah's show? Yeah, everyone move on....

He keeps dropping hints about a follow-up book, and Meghan wants to have her own book. Who is not moving on?

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

I wouldn't trust any parent who raises a child from birth to be a spare. There is a reason that younger royals routinely go off the rails

Great. No family ties for you, Harry, and Meghan.

Right, everyone involved seems fine with that. It’s the fans online that can’t stand that Harry isn’t begging to get back into the fold.

Actually, it's the whining and grifting we can't stand. Everyone is fine with him putting the past behind him and moving on with his nuclear family.

The book came out almost two years ago. Again it’s the fans who haven’t stopped whining since. Harry’s moved on, at some point y’all have to, too.

Hmmm...the book is gone? No paperbacks? No recordings of Oprah's show? Yeah, everyone move on....

He keeps dropping hints about a follow-up book, and Meghan wants to have her own book. Who is not moving on?

They need money and he's never been prepared for any real career. Selling access is all he has

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

Leaking negative stuff about Meghan and Harry to the tabloids IS going to the "very public media." Perhaps you are OK with that?

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

I read the book and don’t think it had any incriminating/ family bashing info.
William is known to have a temper, siblings as children do fight.
I also don’t think that their Oprah interview was that terrible.
Nobody trusts each other in that family, they have the tabloids on speed dial.

Camilla is known to be good friends with Pierce Morgan.
I don’t believe everything I see on the British tabloids and do not believe that one person is all fault.
Diana brought the BRF into the limelight like never before in history and Charles was incredibly jealous of that.

The Queen sacrificed herself for the crown in the name of duty, but times have changed. Harry is not the heir and never will be so there is no reason for him to not live his own life.

Interestingly the British media have left the son in laws out of the bad press, women are the current targets

I read the book too. Harry came off petty and immature. I think just having the interview was 100% wrong. You're done or you are not. Either is fine. Don't try and capitalize on estrangement.

He was telling their side of the story in the face of horrific abuse from the British press. He happened to get some royalties too. I agree with pp--it's nothing more than Diana and Charles did.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

I wouldn't trust any parent who raises a child from birth to be a spare. There is a reason that younger royals routinely go off the rails

Great. No family ties for you, Harry, and Meghan.

Right, everyone involved seems fine with that. It’s the fans online that can’t stand that Harry isn’t begging to get back into the fold.

Actually, it's the whining and grifting we can't stand. Everyone is fine with him putting the past behind him and moving on with his nuclear family.

The book came out almost two years ago. Again it’s the fans who haven’t stopped whining since. Harry’s moved on, at some point y’all have to, too.

Hmmm...the book is gone? No paperbacks? No recordings of Oprah's show? Yeah, everyone move on....

He keeps dropping hints about a follow-up book, and Meghan wants to have her own book. Who is not moving on?

They need money and he's never been prepared for any real career. Selling access is all he has

This is true. Most people would be set for life with the money they had even before he received an additional $10.5 mil from the Queen Mother for his 40th birthday, even in expensive Santa Barbara. But they live very high on the hog.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

I wouldn't trust any parent who raises a child from birth to be a spare. There is a reason that younger royals routinely go off the rails

Great. No family ties for you, Harry, and Meghan.

Right, everyone involved seems fine with that. It’s the fans online that can’t stand that Harry isn’t begging to get back into the fold.

Most people don't care at all about his being back in the fold. They just want him and his lovely bride to live their lives without criticizing their families publicly.

Who cares one way or another though. I didn't read Harry's book and I only saw snippets of the Oprah interview. Have they done anything else -- it seems like they've been pretty quiet and low key since then unless I'm overlooking press leaks or something.

I think Harry felt he needed to explain his decision to leave the family publicly and I also think the British press were so aggressively nasty and racist to Meghan that she felt compelled to state publicly what a toll that took on her especially during and right after her pregnancy. I think it felt like a public ordeal to them and they put a public period on it. Plus no doubt the proceeds from the book were useful to them (I don't judge -- everyone is trying to make a buck). But it's not like they are in the press every few months telling tales. And the family has been leaking embarrassing things about Harry literally his entire life, even when you was just a teenager. They still do it -- there were leaks about him around the Queen's funeral and the coronation and his dad's cancer diagnosis. So it's just odd to be upset with him for playing that game when he's been on the receiving end probably more than most.

Agree, it seems hypocritical for posters here to criticize Harry for his book and Oprah interviews a few years ago, when the family has been leaking about him all his life and continues to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

These comments about how Harry's and Meghan's decision to discuss these matters in public interviews and via Harry's book are somehow "against the rules" and beyond the pale are HILARIOUS to me. Literally both of Harry's parents did precisely this in the 90s during their divorce in order to lash out at each other AND much to the chagrin of the Queen and Phillip and the Queen Mother. In fact may fo the complaints about Harry's book and the Oprah interview are identical to complaints that people both within and without the royal family had about Charles' biography and a special interview he did in the 90s where he complained extensively about his mother's staff, the media, Diana, and a host of other issues. This was also the interview where he admitted to adultery publicly for the first time (something his parents were horrified and angered by as this was seen as airing of private family matters) and he also publicly praised Camilla at a time when the public was very much siding with Diana in the divorce (thanks to her own PR efforts via interviews and leaks (and for which Diana ALSO invoked the ire of the family and was never forgiven by most of them).

It's just funny to watch the pearl clutching over Harry's behavior when he's basically just doing what both his parents did during his formative years. Growing up in that family, of course Harry thinks the proper way to resolve a family dispute is to do a very public interview in which you try to paint yourself as a blameless victim while also appearing reluctant as you tell the world about the things you hate most about your closest relatives. Forget cutting ribbons and waving from balconies -- this is the actual family business.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/08/how-prince-charles-sought-revenge-against-princess-diana-and-the-palace#:~:text=In%201992%2C%20Charles%20was%20reeling,as%20a%20harsh%2C%20spineless%20cheater.

Preach it sister!

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Anonymous wrote:Harry is a laughing stock, he had no idea things would turn out this way

+1. Every time Meghan pushes him and other people out of the way, takes gifts meant for him, so she can be the center of attention, it is pathetic and funny.

You read the Daily Mail too much. There's little evidence she's routinely pushing him out of the way or taking his gifts. But congrats on hating on the woman, like the DM does and like PP pointed out.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just PR. If they really wanted to be with him, the King or Prince William would have gotten together with Harry the last two times he did the 14 hour flight to London. They did not.

Only polite pleasantries would be appropriate when interacting with family members who have shown they'll say anything to the media.

Camilla and William have shown they'll say (via "palace insiders" if necessary) anything to the media in return for positive coverage. Your point?

My point is I wouldn't trust any family member or "friend" who would go to the very public media and get paid for trashing me in a book and on television. Perhaps you are okay with that way of dealing with family. There's a reason Harry and Meghan don't have close family relationships.

I wouldn't trust any parent who raises a child from birth to be a spare. There is a reason that younger royals routinely go off the rails

Great. No family ties for you, Harry, and Meghan.

Right, everyone involved seems fine with that. It’s the fans online that can’t stand that Harry isn’t begging to get back into the fold.

Actually, it's the whining and grifting we can't stand. Everyone is fine with him putting the past behind him and moving on with his nuclear family.

The book came out almost two years ago. Again it’s the fans who haven’t stopped whining since. Harry’s moved on, at some point y’all have to, too.

Hmmm...the book is gone? No paperbacks? No recordings of Oprah's show? Yeah, everyone move on....

He had been contracted to add a new, updates, chapter to his book when it comes out in paperback, but he declined to do so and also isn't doing interviews to promote it.

So pp is right, get over it. If you're watching the Oprah interview on repeat, that's on you.

Meanwhile, as pp said, there were palace leaks around his recent trips to Britain. They haven't stopped.

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I think his family knows him better than anyone, and they see the radical change. He should be able to find some freedom from M and give his children the chance to be with family. He must realize he’ll lose them forever if he doesn’t act soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry is a laughing stock, he had no idea things would turn out this way

How would you rate Prince Andrew?
He is at the receiving end of the consented effort of the press, the BRF is behind it.
They should be proud of him, he actually has accomplished something, the invictus games, he actually also really did have an army career and didn’t just play around with it.

He is more easy to like. William and Kate are very plain vanilla, too high class to even relate to