First data since Supreme Court Affirmative Action Decison

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, qualified Asians were less likely to be accepted for the past years even though they were on even keel or above in some cases. The overturn of AA has made it possible for qualified asians to be accepted based on their accomplishments, not their race. It seems that should be the goal of EVERY admissions dept, to accept qualified applicants, regardless of race.
It is very concerning that other races had less admissions, what is going on? Legacy? Sports? Full pay? Applying to colleges outside the USA?


Ok. Enjoy your majority Asian institutions. Really.


Is this supposed to worry people? Seriously?

If my kids try out for an orchestra, sports team, or whatever else you think I want them to end up among anything other than the best? You think I should prioritise race over ability?

I think it’ll just create echo chambers and the lack of diversity will be an issue. Diversity is one of the few unique American strengths but I guess we’ll throw it away for international students to take over cause merit


Oh, so now Asian Americans are “international students?”

Too many Asians makes it an echo chamber… even if their heritage represents dozens of countries, cultures, languages, and religions.

Japanese, Pakistani, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Afghan, Nepalese, Chinese, all the same… echo chamber…

Right?


When are we going to be honest and admit that most Asian students come from the same 3 countries- Japan, Korea, and China.


Yes, they are smart and hard working.
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Anonymous wrote:In my experience, qualified Asians were less likely to be accepted for the past years even though they were on even keel or above in some cases. The overturn of AA has made it possible for qualified asians to be accepted based on their accomplishments, not their race. It seems that should be the goal of EVERY admissions dept, to accept qualified applicants, regardless of race.
It is very concerning that other races had less admissions, what is going on? Legacy? Sports? Full pay? Applying to colleges outside the USA?


Ok. Enjoy your majority Asian institutions. Really.


Is this supposed to worry people? Seriously?

If my kids try out for an orchestra, sports team, or whatever else you think I want them to end up among anything other than the best? You think I should prioritise race over ability?

I think it’ll just create echo chambers and the lack of diversity will be an issue. Diversity is one of the few unique American strengths but I guess we’ll throw it away for international students to take over cause merit


Oh, so now Asian Americans are “international students?”

Too many Asians makes it an echo chamber… even if their heritage represents dozens of countries, cultures, languages, and religions.

Japanese, Pakistani, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Afghan, Nepalese, Chinese, all the same… echo chamber…

Right?


When are we going to be honest and admit that most Asian students come from the same 3 countries- Japan, Korea, and China.


Actually, in the colleges I've toured, Indians seem to outnumber East Asians. All the same, though.
Anonymous
No one should be surprised by these numbers. It is what anyone who has taken an economics class would have expected.

Universities are saving money by offering less need based financial aid with no strings attached since they don’t have to hit any perceived URM targets. Look where the numbers went down and replaced by high stat full pay Asians.

Exactly who didn’t see this coming.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how to copy the chart on there so here’s the link.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mpspivey_breaking-mit-has-published-the-incoming-activity-7232342653093212160-jbbf?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios


Here you go. Don't ever make me go to linked in again.

Yes because this place is so much better than LinkedIn
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Anonymous wrote:This data got DC to now upend her college list and is now trying for HBCUs. At first I was upset that she’d throw away any shot with her great stats, but I now worry deeply about the discrimination she will experience in these environments where black students are a growing rarity. Spelman is her next stop.


If your DC got great stats and is competitive, why not apply and have options?

It’s really her decision. She grew up in majority white and Asian environments and is becoming exasperated from the constant “proving” she has to do. I think she just wants a break and time in community, and I won’t take that from her just because I want something different for her future

You’re going to let your child go to a failing school, because her feelings are ill get hurt if there’s more than 3 or so Asian students in the room? How incredibly racist and backwards


What I heard was that, in the beginning of a semester, if white students walk into a class and sees more than about 15-20% Asian students, they consider dropping the class since they think earning an A or A- in the class would be very difficult.

The above was usually for STEM classes but I heard that it happens for almost all academic classes including classes such as English, foreign language, humanities courses as well.

If these kids want to avoid hard work in college, they will likely avoid hard work in jobs (difficulties in life) as well. Don't fear competition or hard work, embrace competition and learn perseverance and tenacity.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I see a potential rise in black students staying in southern institutions. No reason to go to a 5% black environment when you can just head to Georgia tech.


I am an Asian American and I have attended elementary, middle and high school with fewer than 5% Asians. College, graduate school and law school were all fewer than 5% Asians. My place of employment all my life had fewer than 5% Asians. My neighborhoods all had fewer than 5% Asians. Not because I intentionally chose such environment but that was how demographics were.

I know of many Asians who had to face this challenge all their lives as well. I never complained about having too few Asians and other Asians I know do not complain. What is the difference between Asians attending schools with fewer than 5% Asians and blacks attending schools with fewer than 5% blacks? Blacks can complain and whites pretend they care and Asians should not even dare complain since media will completely ignore any complaints by Asians.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I stepped into a Trump rally entering this thread...


You are not going to get the United States to think everything you want about Asian Americans by posting in this thread. Frankly, you want Asians to be superior to whites in the social hierarchy--not seen as "other" or "exotic" but at the same time, smarter than whites, so distinct, in a way that means whites should be thankful for and in awe of Asian presence in the U.S.
weird
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my experience, qualified Asians were less likely to be accepted for the past years even though they were on even keel or above in some cases. The overturn of AA has made it possible for qualified asians to be accepted based on their accomplishments, not their race. It seems that should be the goal of EVERY admissions dept, to accept qualified applicants, regardless of race.
It is very concerning that other races had less admissions, what is going on? Legacy? Sports? Full pay? Applying to colleges outside the USA?


Ok. Enjoy your majority Asian institutions. Really.


Is this supposed to worry people? Seriously?

If my kids try out for an orchestra, sports team, or whatever else you think I want them to end up among anything other than the best? You think I should prioritise race over ability?

I think it’ll just create echo chambers and the lack of diversity will be an issue. Diversity is one of the few unique American strengths but I guess we’ll throw it away for international students to take over cause merit


Oh, so now Asian Americans are “international students?”

Too many Asians makes it an echo chamber… even if their heritage represents dozens of countries, cultures, languages, and religions.

Japanese, Pakistani, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Afghan, Nepalese, Chinese, all the same… echo chamber…

Right?


When are we going to be honest and admit that most Asian students come from the same 3 countries- Japan, Korea, and China.


Actually, in the colleges I've toured, Indians seem to outnumber East Asians. All the same, though.

+1 the % of Koreans and Japanese as a whole in this country (and globally) is tiny compared to Chinese and Indians.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This data got DC to now upend her college list and is now trying for HBCUs. At first I was upset that she’d throw away any shot with her great stats, but I now worry deeply about the discrimination she will experience in these environments where black students are a growing rarity. Spelman is her next stop.


If your DC got great stats and is competitive, why not apply and have options?

It’s really her decision. She grew up in majority white and Asian environments and is becoming exasperated from the constant “proving” she has to do. I think she just wants a break and time in community, and I won’t take that from her just because I want something different for her future

You’re going to let your child go to a failing school, because her feelings are ill get hurt if there’s more than 3 or so Asian students in the room? How incredibly racist and backwards


What I heard was that, in the beginning of a semester, if white students walk into a class and sees more than about 15-20% Asian students, they consider dropping the class since they think earning an A or A- in the class would be very difficult.

The above was usually for STEM classes but I heard that it happens for almost all academic classes including classes such as English, foreign language, humanities courses as well.

If these kids want to avoid hard work in college, they will likely avoid hard work in jobs (difficulties in life) as well. Don't fear competition or hard work, embrace competition and learn perseverance and tenacity.

+1 I used to work with a white dad of a teen who lived in an expensive town. He told me that when Asian American kids started to increase in the school, the curve went waaay up.

FWIW, I'm Asian American, and my parents are immigrants who don't speak any English.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I see a potential rise in black students staying in southern institutions. No reason to go to a 5% black environment when you can just head to Georgia tech.


I am an Asian American and I have attended elementary, middle and high school with fewer than 5% Asians. College, graduate school and law school were all fewer than 5% Asians. My place of employment all my life had fewer than 5% Asians. My neighborhoods all had fewer than 5% Asians. Not because I intentionally chose such environment but that was how demographics were.

I know of many Asians who had to face this challenge all their lives as well. I never complained about having too few Asians and other Asians I know do not complain. What is the difference between Asians attending schools with fewer than 5% Asians and blacks attending schools with fewer than 5% blacks? Blacks can complain and whites pretend they care and Asians should not even dare complain since media will completely ignore any complaints by Asians.

+1 preach it
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I see a potential rise in black students staying in southern institutions. No reason to go to a 5% black environment when you can just head to Georgia tech.


I am an Asian American and I have attended elementary, middle and high school with fewer than 5% Asians. College, graduate school and law school were all fewer than 5% Asians. My place of employment all my life had fewer than 5% Asians. My neighborhoods all had fewer than 5% Asians. Not because I intentionally chose such environment but that was how demographics were.

I know of many Asians who had to face this challenge all their lives as well. I never complained about having too few Asians and other Asians I know do not complain. What is the difference between Asians attending schools with fewer than 5% Asians and blacks attending schools with fewer than 5% blacks? Blacks can complain and whites pretend they care and Asians should not even dare complain since media will completely ignore any complaints by Asians.


+1000
Anonymous
The sad reality is that people tend to flee when classes become overwhelmingly asian. While it's not a happy statistic, the reality is whiteness still confers a huge level of "prestige" and wherever white people go, the "elite" status will follow. Ivies that allow their population to become overwhelmingly asian will find both white and black people less interested in attending. There are many incredibly difficult and rigorous schools in East Asia that blow many western schools out of the water, but you still have people flocking en masse to the western schools that were predominantly white for the majority of their existence. Who knows why, but it does seem that whiteness itself does confer some kind of desirability and, again, prestige, on its own. So if white kids get turned off by a predominantly asian population taking all the spots in Harvard, and say, flock to Clemson or College of Charleston or whatever, you can bet those schools will become the next schools with cache. It truly is a never ending cycle.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This data got DC to now upend her college list and is now trying for HBCUs. At first I was upset that she’d throw away any shot with her great stats, but I now worry deeply about the discrimination she will experience in these environments where black students are a growing rarity. Spelman is her next stop.


If your DC got great stats and is competitive, why not apply and have options?

It’s really her decision. She grew up in majority white and Asian environments and is becoming exasperated from the constant “proving” she has to do. I think she just wants a break and time in community, and I won’t take that from her just because I want something different for her future

You’re going to let your child go to a failing school, because her feelings are ill get hurt if there’s more than 3 or so Asian students in the room? How incredibly racist and backwards


What I heard was that, in the beginning of a semester, if white students walk into a class and sees more than about 15-20% Asian students, they consider dropping the class since they think earning an A or A- in the class would be very difficult.

The above was usually for STEM classes but I heard that it happens for almost all academic classes including classes such as English, foreign language, humanities courses as well.

If these kids want to avoid hard work in college, they will likely avoid hard work in jobs (difficulties in life) as well. Don't fear competition or hard work, embrace competition and learn perseverance and tenacity.


As the parent of three white kids, two of whom are at top-10 ivy/ivy+, the other likely will be next fall, this has got to be either urban legend or less rigorous/below T50 colleges. There are tons of asians as well as lots of other backgrounds at t10s and the kids take the classes they need and do not drop when they see asians good grief. Premed and Engineering classes have the highest % asians, often over 50%, and guess what white kids can and do beat the means all the time (ie A range). And mine know many asians who have dropped premed. It is hard for anyone to be in the top half in a competitive group. Racism is not a part of the decision making.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my experience, qualified Asians were less likely to be accepted for the past years even though they were on even keel or above in some cases. The overturn of AA has made it possible for qualified asians to be accepted based on their accomplishments, not their race. It seems that should be the goal of EVERY admissions dept, to accept qualified applicants, regardless of race.
It is very concerning that other races had less admissions, what is going on? Legacy? Sports? Full pay? Applying to colleges outside the USA?


Ok. Enjoy your majority Asian institutions. Really.


Is this supposed to worry people? Seriously?

If my kids try out for an orchestra, sports team, or whatever else you think I want them to end up among anything other than the best? You think I should prioritise race over ability?

I think it’ll just create echo chambers and the lack of diversity will be an issue. Diversity is one of the few unique American strengths but I guess we’ll throw it away for international students to take over cause merit

Asian Americans are internationals? Can you be more racist?

Well I’m sorry to inform you but if you look at international student populations, the majority are….


No Asian American is an international student in America, they are American.


“American”
I hope an Asian takes your job. People like you don't deserve to live in a country as great as the United States.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The sad reality is that people tend to flee when classes become overwhelmingly asian. While it's not a happy statistic, the reality is whiteness still confers a huge level of "prestige" and wherever white people go, the "elite" status will follow. Ivies that allow their population to become overwhelmingly asian will find both white and black people less interested in attending. There are many incredibly difficult and rigorous schools in East Asia that blow many western schools out of the water, but you still have people flocking en masse to the western schools that were predominantly white for the majority of their existence. Who knows why, but it does seem that whiteness itself does confer some kind of desirability and, again, prestige, on its own. So if white kids get turned off by a predominantly asian population taking all the spots in Harvard, and say, flock to Clemson or College of Charleston or whatever, you can bet those schools will become the next schools with cache. It truly is a never ending cycle.


LOL no.
There are tons of schools with 80% 90% Whites that nobody cares with 80% 90% acceptance rates. You sound stupid 🤣
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