Lottery data with June offer numbers is up

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, PARCC scores at BASIS are extremely high but even if you just look at poor kids at the school the numbers are still really high. Note the below numbers are just for “economically disadvantaged” kids—the overall BASIS numbers are much higher.

For SY 22-23, at BASIS DC, there were 430 kids in middle school and 233 in high school. Overall, the at-risk percentage was 7%. PARCC scores at BASIS that year for “economically disadvantaged” students were a follows:

ELA
55.6% 4+
72.2 3+

Math
27.8% 4+
58.3% 3+

Drilling down for middle school and high school, you get the following for economically disadvantaged:

Middle school (28 economically disadvantaged)

ELA
46.42% 4+
64.28% 3+

Math
25.00% 4+
53.57% 3+

High school (8 economically disadvantaged):

N/A (number of students too low for percentages)

Just for comparison, take a look at how economically disadvantaged kids fared at Latin:

Middle school (34 economically disadvantaged—just a few more than BASIS DC):

ELA
17.64% 4+
52.94% 3+

Math
8.82% 4+
26.47% 3+

Accordingly, here is the bottom line: BASIS DC is a very rigorous school and not for everyone. But it is false to state that a poor kid can’t excel at BASIS and, at least based on test results, BASIS DC does a better job than its public school peers in DC at educating economically disadvantaged kids.

Now compare the at risk percentage in the middle school to the at risk percentage in the high school. I’ll wait.

Isn't it higher because most of the non at-risk students leave?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overall, PARCC scores at BASIS are extremely high but even if you just look at poor kids at the school the numbers are still really high. Note the below numbers are just for “economically disadvantaged” kids—the overall BASIS numbers are much higher.

For SY 22-23, at BASIS DC, there were 430 kids in middle school and 233 in high school. Overall, the at-risk percentage was 7%. PARCC scores at BASIS that year for “economically disadvantaged” students were a follows:

ELA
55.6% 4+
72.2 3+

Math
27.8% 4+
58.3% 3+

Drilling down for middle school and high school, you get the following for economically disadvantaged:

Middle school (28 economically disadvantaged)

ELA
46.42% 4+
64.28% 3+

Math
25.00% 4+
53.57% 3+

High school (8 economically disadvantaged):

N/A (number of students too low for percentages)

Just for comparison, take a look at how economically disadvantaged kids fared at Latin:

Middle school (34 economically disadvantaged—just a few more than BASIS DC):

ELA
17.64% 4+
52.94% 3+

Math
8.82% 4+
26.47% 3+

Accordingly, here is the bottom line: BASIS DC is a very rigorous school and not for everyone. But it is false to state that a poor kid can’t excel at BASIS and, at least based on test results, BASIS DC does a better job than its public school peers in DC at educating economically disadvantaged kids.

Now compare the at risk percentage in the middle school to the at risk percentage in the high school. I’ll wait.

Isn't it higher because most of the non at-risk students leave?

Meaning that the at-risk percentage in the high school is higher than it is in the middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, PARCC scores at BASIS are extremely high but even if you just look at poor kids at the school the numbers are still really high. Note the below numbers are just for “economically disadvantaged” kids—the overall BASIS numbers are much higher.

For SY 22-23, at BASIS DC, there were 430 kids in middle school and 233 in high school. Overall, the at-risk percentage was 7%. PARCC scores at BASIS that year for “economically disadvantaged” students were a follows:

ELA
55.6% 4+
72.2 3+

Math
27.8% 4+
58.3% 3+

Drilling down for middle school and high school, you get the following for economically disadvantaged:

Middle school (28 economically disadvantaged)

ELA
46.42% 4+
64.28% 3+

Math
25.00% 4+
53.57% 3+

High school (8 economically disadvantaged):

N/A (number of students too low for percentages)

Just for comparison, take a look at how economically disadvantaged kids fared at Latin:

Middle school (34 economically disadvantaged—just a few more than BASIS DC):

ELA
17.64% 4+
52.94% 3+

Math
8.82% 4+
26.47% 3+

Accordingly, here is the bottom line: BASIS DC is a very rigorous school and not for everyone. But it is false to state that a poor kid can’t excel at BASIS and, at least based on test results, BASIS DC does a better job than its public school peers in DC at educating economically disadvantaged kids.

Now compare the at risk percentage in the middle school to the at risk percentage in the high school. I’ll wait.

Not PP, but I did this and mentioned it and it's exactly the same. Which could mean incoming cohorts have changed -- or not. You can't really tell because the pre COVID PARCC numbers don't have demographic info.

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Anonymous wrote:Quick glance as a ward 4 parent; Takoma and Whittier not offering one spot so far for PK3 is remarkable.

Shepherd hasn't offered one waitlist spot in any grade.

Shepherd feeds to Deal and JR. Not the same as Whittier and Takoma. It is pretty remarkable those two schools didn’t offer a waitlist spot to any PK3 yet.

Not really. Lots of families these days use ECE spots at their IB or any other schools. The real differentiator is upper elementary and percentages of IB families that stay thru upper elementary thru 4th.

Ward 3 families need to stop saying this. We're an upper elementary family leaving our EOTP IB this year ONLY because of the middle school feed. I would LOVE if DCs could stay through fifth at our elementary, but when lottery gold strikes, you have to take it. I'm really sad to leave our school and DCs will be devastated when they find out, but the reality is that there are many nice elementary schools in this city that feed into very less nice middle and high schools, and middle class families that can't afford private have to play the lottery and take the opportunity when it comes.

You are leaving just as Pp said.

Don't be dense. There's a big difference between using your IB pre-K as free daycare and deciding to stay for first, second, third grade. The ONLY "real differentiator" at many EOTP schools is the middle school feeder pattern. There are plenty of schools in DC, if you're there in second and leaving in fourth, it's because you feel like you HAVE to, not because you want to.

Sure but you are not the majority. The data says it all and the overwhelming majority of higher SES IB families at these poorly performing EOTP schools are not staying at their IB schools past K/1st. There is a big exodus and by 2nd, it’s a few families. Just look at the makeup of your 2nd, 3rd grade classes compared to ECE.

The one exception is Capitol Hill schools where majority do stay thru 4th at least.

Can you provide a link to this data?

It doesn't really exist. Audited enrollment numbers will give number of students by grade, number of students by race, and number of students by at-risk designation, but it doesn't give at-risk/race by grade. You can kind of get a sense of the PK3-2nd and 3rd-5th split looking at PARCC data totals by at-risk/race, but at individual grade levels the data is often suppressed.

I think PP may have literally meant "look." Not really a great basis for making sweeping generalizations.

I think the PK3-2nd vs. PARCC grade demographics tells you quite a bit.

Not knowing the distribution within in those grade bands limits its practical utility.

For example, at our IB 3rd-5th is about 60% economically disadvantaged. But working around data suppression (not possible at all schools), the actual distribution is 47% in 3rd, 64% in 4th, and 73% in 5th.

Not really. If you want to know if there are high SES families which everyone knows is proxy for white in this town, just look at demographics.

20% at risk is the magic number. Anything above that and it’s going to affect academic performance in general so if you are 50% or 75%, you are way above that threshold.. Also, DC defines at risk in the extreme as homeless, SNAP, etc…. There are lots of lower, poor SES families who don’t fall in the at risk category.

What are you basing this 20% threshold on?

The list of EotP elementary schools that fit this criteria is very short: Ross, Brent, AppleTree LP, O-A, Stokes Brookland, Shepherd, LAMB, MV C8, SWS, DC Wildflower, Maury, YY, Peabody, LEARN, Lee Brookland, L-T, Bancroft.

There have been studies looking at the at risk percentages in a classroom and how it affects the performance of different groups of low and high performers. BTW FCPS also conducted their own study some years ago in their school system and also came up with 20%.

I mean … if you’re living some kind of optimization life seeking out maximum advantage and the exact percentage of at-risk kids as demonstrated by “studies” - go for it. Sounds like a kind of miserable way to parent. I always wonder why people like you haven’t upped and moved to the suburbs given all the anxiety about perfecting your child’s school down to the exact FARMS percentage that is most beneficial.

Posters like PP usually do leave to the suburbs, if they aren't there already.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overall, PARCC scores at BASIS are extremely high but even if you just look at poor kids at the school the numbers are still really high. Note the below numbers are just for “economically disadvantaged” kids—the overall BASIS numbers are much higher.

For SY 22-23, at BASIS DC, there were 430 kids in middle school and 233 in high school. Overall, the at-risk percentage was 7%. PARCC scores at BASIS that year for “economically disadvantaged” students were a follows:

ELA
55.6% 4+
72.2 3+

Math
27.8% 4+
58.3% 3+

Drilling down for middle school and high school, you get the following for economically disadvantaged:

Middle school (28 economically disadvantaged)

ELA
46.42% 4+
64.28% 3+

Math
25.00% 4+
53.57% 3+

High school (8 economically disadvantaged):

N/A (number of students too low for percentages)

Just for comparison, take a look at how economically disadvantaged kids fared at Latin:

Middle school (34 economically disadvantaged—just a few more than BASIS DC):

ELA
17.64% 4+
52.94% 3+

Math
8.82% 4+
26.47% 3+

Accordingly, here is the bottom line: BASIS DC is a very rigorous school and not for everyone. But it is false to state that a poor kid can’t excel at BASIS and, at least based on test results, BASIS DC does a better job than its public school peers in DC at educating economically disadvantaged kids.

Now compare the at risk percentage in the middle school to the at risk percentage in the high school. I’ll wait.

Not PP, but I did this and mentioned it and it's exactly the same. Which could mean incoming cohorts have changed -- or not. You can't really tell because the pre COVID PARCC numbers don't have demographic info.

What is the percentage? It must be really low for it to stay the same when BASIS loses so many students by the end of HS.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overall, PARCC scores at BASIS are extremely high but even if you just look at poor kids at the school the numbers are still really high. Note the below numbers are just for “economically disadvantaged” kids—the overall BASIS numbers are much higher.

For SY 22-23, at BASIS DC, there were 430 kids in middle school and 233 in high school. Overall, the at-risk percentage was 7%. PARCC scores at BASIS that year for “economically disadvantaged” students were a follows:

ELA
55.6% 4+
72.2 3+

Math
27.8% 4+
58.3% 3+

Drilling down for middle school and high school, you get the following for economically disadvantaged:

Middle school (28 economically disadvantaged)

ELA
46.42% 4+
64.28% 3+

Math
25.00% 4+
53.57% 3+

High school (8 economically disadvantaged):

N/A (number of students too low for percentages)

Just for comparison, take a look at how economically disadvantaged kids fared at Latin:

Middle school (34 economically disadvantaged—just a few more than BASIS DC):

ELA
17.64% 4+
52.94% 3+

Math
8.82% 4+
26.47% 3+

Accordingly, here is the bottom line: BASIS DC is a very rigorous school and not for everyone. But it is false to state that a poor kid can’t excel at BASIS and, at least based on test results, BASIS DC does a better job than its public school peers in DC at educating economically disadvantaged kids.

Now compare the at risk percentage in the middle school to the at risk percentage in the high school. I’ll wait.

Not PP, but I did this and mentioned it and it's exactly the same. Which could mean incoming cohorts have changed -- or not. You can't really tell because the pre COVID PARCC numbers don't have demographic info.

What is the percentage? It must be really low for it to stay the same when BASIS loses so many students by the end of HS.

It's extremely low. I think it was 7%, but I don't have it in front of me. But again, these are snapshots of different cohorts, not the same cohort over time.

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Wish the BASIS boosters/haters would start their own thread. They derail half of the posts on this board!

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What would demographic information on PARCC reveal about at risk population? Are you assuming the every black kid is at risk? This thread seems kind of racist. Why not homeschool your snowflake if you can’t deal with the dynamics of city life.

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Anonymous wrote:What would demographic information on PARCC reveal about at risk population? Are you assuming the every black kid is at risk? This thread seems kind of racist. Why not homeschool your snowflake if you can’t deal with the dynamics of city life.

So, once upon a time people on this board made the mostly correct assumption (in DC) that all of the white kids are high SES.

Through stereotyping and incorrect logic some people sometimes assume that black means poor in DC, which anyone who has lived in this city for a decent amount of time knows is not the case. Many middle and upper middle class black families live in our region. More in PG than in the city itself, but still many in the city.

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Anonymous wrote:Wish the BASIS boosters/haters would start their own thread. They derail half of the posts on this board!

It's an insanely divisive school. There should just be two megathreads and people who want to talk about it should be directed to "BASIS Sucks: Let Me Tell You About It" or "BASIS Is The Best: Never Too Early to Think About College Financial Aid". There would be sorties from one thread to the other, and the person who always posts about their out-of-state selective high school or the one who worked there ten years ago and has Feelings could haunt them both. Also the one who keeps saying that Ward 6 parents are more interested in their cute townhouses than their children's futures.

Meanwhile, there could be a super secret thread entitled "No revised lunch schedules at Cardozo" where parents of BASIS kids could quietly discuss admin and schedule, and people whose kids lotteried in can ask low-key questions about homework and extracurriculars without being met with the Old Testament prophecies of doom that seem to immediately clog up those questions.

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Ida B Wells seems to be on an upward trajectory. 6th grade this year only opened 30 seats for non-feeder elementary and has a waitlist with no June offers. Last year they matched 25 seats on match day (79 opened) and had no one on the waitlist. This year is the first year of 8th graders who were able to attend for the full 3 years.

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Anonymous wrote:What would demographic information on PARCC reveal about at risk population? Are you assuming the every black kid is at risk? This thread seems kind of racist. Why not homeschool your snowflake if you can’t deal with the dynamics of city life.

PARCC data breaks it down by economically disadvantaged vs. not, which in this context is the same as at risk. So. That's why.

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Anonymous wrote:different poster. the “really good” elementary/“bad” IB middle combo is presumably one of the 3 Hill area middle schools.

I have no doubt they were talking about Brent/Jefferson. Brent is a mess in 4th/5th and Jefferson isn’t bad, but Brent families treat it like it is.

No one at L-T would call SH bad; ditto Maury and EH these days.

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Anonymous wrote:What would demographic information on PARCC reveal about at risk population? Are you assuming the every black kid is at risk? This thread seems kind of racist. Why not homeschool your snowflake if you can’t deal with the dynamics of city life.

So, once upon a time people on this board made the mostly correct assumption (in DC) that all of the white kids are high SES.

Through stereotyping and incorrect logic some people sometimes assume that black means poor in DC, which anyone who has lived in this city for a decent amount of time knows is not the case. Many middle and upper middle class black families live in our region. More in PG than in the city itself, but still many in the city.

I think it's insane that people think I came up with the "at risk" term on my own as a euphemism for "black people." Here's the actual definition: https://dcpsbudget.com/budget-model/at-risk-funding/

The enrollment audit collects data on the number of "at risk" students attending a school because it impacts the funding formula. PARCC used to report "at risk" demographics and switched to "economically disadvantaged" last year. The Empower site says the only difference in terms is that "economically disadvantaged" does not include students in high school who were overage for their grade, while "at risk" does.

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Anonymous wrote:EA at BASIS is going to be a disaster.

You said the quiet part out loud. Why do you assume that kids who are economically disadvantaged are dumb and/or can't apply themselves? Why do you assume they don't have or can't develop executive functioning? Some of these 10 and 11 year old kids have already dealt with more sh*t in their lives than you will ever know and they are still in the game fighting to succeed. EA preferences are designed precisely for this reason; to ensure kids who more than many others need a solid educational footing have access.

This. I'm familiar with one of the AZ basis schools. There are some graduating seniors getting free lunch and also getting some hefty college scholarships for being economically disadvantaged or first generation. These kids absolutely can succeed at Basis if they're smart and motivated.