Lottery data with June offer numbers is up

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly, poster above gets it! None of this makes sense. How do they know a kid is economically disadvantaged? They don’t ask for tax documents, and like the poster above said how is parents income linked to student ID

When people enroll, they give the school system access to the city tax system. They don't need parents to bring in the documents.

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Anonymous wrote:Ida B Wells seems to be on an upward trajectory. 6th grade this year only opened 30 seats for non-feeder elementary and has a waitlist with no June offers. Last year they matched 25 seats on match day (79 opened) and had no one on the waitlist. This year is the first year of 8th graders who were able to attend for the full 3 years.

We love Wells! Unfortunately DCPS restricted lottery seats this year to control the overcrowding, but we know lots of families are taking OOB seats at the feeder elementaries in order to access Wells in future years.

To clarify, our first 8th grade graduation was in 2022 (with students who started in 6th grade in 2019). This is the first year of graduating 8th graders who didn’t have to deal with virtual/pandemic school.

Why is it unfortunate DCPS restricted lottery seats? Wells is a new school that is already at the brink of overcrowding. If it continues to be popular kids are going to have to learn in trailers.

First, because the mandated cut in projected enrollment caused the associated budget cuts to eliminate several teaching positions, including electives. If trailers are good enough for Deal and their enormous budget and offerings, why restrict us?

Additionally the boundary study dismissed the idea of recommending a capital expansion despite thousands of new housing units coming in the next five years and the feeder elementaries at new enrollment highs. Wells and Coolidge were both built to projected enrollments that the community argued even then were too low, and that mistake has come to bear remarkably quickly.

As others are saying in this thread, momentum is important for reputation and word of mouth. I dread the day I hear from a neighbor, Wells doesn’t have X electives so we chose elsewhere.

DCPS cut all lottery seats for Coolidge for the same reason. Meanwhile MacArthur is offering 150+ just for 9th grade.

Anyone know how many 5th grade students are in the elementary feeders compared to capacity for 5th grade at wells?

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly, poster above gets it! None of this makes sense. How do they know a kid is economically disadvantaged? They don’t ask for tax documents, and like the poster above said how is parents income linked to student ID

At our charter families should fill out a Free and Reduced-price Meal (FARM) Application to get some benefits (meals, aftercare, etc.)

Is that the case for every school? That is a way to know.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly, poster above gets it! None of this makes sense. How do they know a kid is economically disadvantaged? They don’t ask for tax documents, and like the poster above said how is parents income linked to student ID

At our charter families should fill out a Free and Reduced-price Meal (FARM) Application to get some benefits (meals, aftercare, etc.)

Is that the case for every school? That is a way to know.

It's the case except at schools that are CEP, where everyone gets free lunch. So that's one way. But there's also data sharing with the SNAP/TANF program.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly, poster above gets it! None of this makes sense. How do they know a kid is economically disadvantaged? They don’t ask for tax documents, and like the poster above said how is parents income linked to student ID

If a kid is getting benefits from any number of programs aimed at ED kids, then they absolutely do request and/or request access to financial documents associated with that child's family for eligibility confirmation.

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The aftercare/enrichment programs at our school get a list of economically disadvantaged children who the school has confirmed qualify for free services. Schools absolutely have this data.

It's weird to me that people are asking this about PARCC (now CAPE) specifically given that DCPS itself reports the at-risk percentage for each school.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly, poster above gets it! None of this makes sense. How do they know a kid is economically disadvantaged? They don’t ask for tax documents, and like the poster above said how is parents income linked to student ID

I assume you must attend a NW school where very few kids qualify for free services that are often coordinated through school social workers? Anyone whose children have attended a T1 school is aware that schools absolutely have income data.

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Anonymous wrote:Wish the BASIS boosters/haters would start their own thread. They derail half of the posts on this board!

It's an insanely divisive school. There should just be two megathreads and people who want to talk about it should be directed to "BASIS Sucks: Let Me Tell You About It" or "BASIS Is The Best: Never Too Early to Think About College Financial Aid". There would be sorties from one thread to the other, and the person who always posts about their out-of-state selective high school or the one who worked there ten years ago and has Feelings could haunt them both. Also the one who keeps saying that Ward 6 parents are more interested in their cute townhouses than their children's futures.

Meanwhile, there could be a super secret thread entitled "No revised lunch schedules at Cardozo" where parents of BASIS kids could quietly discuss admin and schedule, and people whose kids lotteried in can ask low-key questions about homework and extracurriculars without being met with the Old Testament prophecies of doom that seem to immediately clog up those questions.

LOL! Genius!!!

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If a kid receives free lunch they are considered economically disadvantaged.

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Anonymous wrote:Ida B Wells seems to be on an upward trajectory. 6th grade this year only opened 30 seats for non-feeder elementary and has a waitlist with no June offers. Last year they matched 25 seats on match day (79 opened) and had no one on the waitlist. This year is the first year of 8th graders who were able to attend for the full 3 years.

We love Wells! Unfortunately DCPS restricted lottery seats this year to control the overcrowding, but we know lots of families are taking OOB seats at the feeder elementaries in order to access Wells in future years.

To clarify, our first 8th grade graduation was in 2022 (with students who started in 6th grade in 2019). This is the first year of graduating 8th graders who didn’t have to deal with virtual/pandemic school.

Why is it unfortunate DCPS restricted lottery seats? Wells is a new school that is already at the brink of overcrowding. If it continues to be popular kids are going to have to learn in trailers.

First, because the mandated cut in projected enrollment caused the associated budget cuts to eliminate several teaching positions, including electives. If trailers are good enough for Deal and their enormous budget and offerings, why restrict us?

Additionally the boundary study dismissed the idea of recommending a capital expansion despite thousands of new housing units coming in the next five years and the feeder elementaries at new enrollment highs. Wells and Coolidge were both built to projected enrollments that the community argued even then were too low, and that mistake has come to bear remarkably quickly.

As others are saying in this thread, momentum is important for reputation and word of mouth. I dread the day I hear from a neighbor, Wells doesn’t have X electives so we chose elsewhere.

DCPS cut all lottery seats for Coolidge for the same reason. Meanwhile MacArthur is offering 150+ just for 9th grade.

There’s only so much space in a building. MacArthur is offering lottery seats because it isn’t full with in boundary students and most IB students can still choose JR if they want.

I assume Wells reduced OOB seats because the school will be full with IB students. It’s not just empty seats in classrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:Quick glance as a ward 4 parent; Takoma and Whittier not offering one spot so far for PK3 is remarkable.

Shepherd hasn't offered one waitlist spot in any grade.

Shepherd feeds to Deal and JR. Not the same as Whittier and Takoma. It is pretty remarkable those two schools didn’t offer a waitlist spot to any PK3 yet.

Not really. Lots of families these days use ECE spots at their IB or any other schools. The real differentiator is upper elementary and percentages of IB families that stay thru upper elementary thru 4th.

Ward 3 families need to stop saying this. We're an upper elementary family leaving our EOTP IB this year ONLY because of the middle school feed. I would LOVE if DCs could stay through fifth at our elementary, but when lottery gold strikes, you have to take it. I'm really sad to leave our school and DCs will be devastated when they find out, but the reality is that there are many nice elementary schools in this city that feed into very less nice middle and high schools, and middle class families that can't afford private have to play the lottery and take the opportunity when it comes.

You are leaving just as Pp said.

Don't be dense. There's a big difference between using your IB pre-K as free daycare and deciding to stay for first, second, third grade. The ONLY "real differentiator" at many EOTP schools is the middle school feeder pattern. There are plenty of schools in DC, if you're there in second and leaving in fourth, it's because you feel like you HAVE to, not because you want to.

Sure but you are not the majority. The data says it all and the overwhelming majority of higher SES IB families at these poorly performing EOTP schools are not staying at their IB schools past K/1st. There is a big exodus and by 2nd, it’s a few families. Just look at the makeup of your 2nd, 3rd grade classes compared to ECE.

The one exception is Capitol Hill schools where majority do stay thru 4th at least.

Can you provide a link to this data?

It doesn't really exist. Audited enrollment numbers will give number of students by grade, number of students by race, and number of students by at-risk designation, but it doesn't give at-risk/race by grade. You can kind of get a sense of the PK3-2nd and 3rd-5th split looking at PARCC data totals by at-risk/race, but at individual grade levels the data is often suppressed.

I think PP may have literally meant "look." Not really a great basis for making sweeping generalizations.

I think the PK3-2nd vs. PARCC grade demographics tells you quite a bit.

Not knowing the distribution within in those grade bands limits its practical utility.

For example, at our IB 3rd-5th is about 60% economically disadvantaged. But working around data suppression (not possible at all schools), the actual distribution is 47% in 3rd, 64% in 4th, and 73% in 5th.

Not really. If you want to know if there are high SES families which everyone knows is proxy for white in this town, just look at demographics.

20% at risk is the magic number. Anything above that and it’s going to affect academic performance in general so if you are 50% or 75%, you are way above that threshold.. Also, DC defines at risk in the extreme as homeless, SNAP, etc…. There are lots of lower, poor SES families who don’t fall in the at risk category.

What are you basing this 20% threshold on?

The list of EotP elementary schools that fit this criteria is very short: Ross, Brent, AppleTree LP, O-A, Stokes Brookland, Shepherd, LAMB, MV C8, SWS, DC Wildflower, Maury, YY, Peabody, LEARN, Lee Brookland, L-T, Bancroft.

Could you please share the source for this data?

The enrollment audit. I had to calculate the percentages myself by dividing at risk students by total students. Data is here: https://osse.dc.gov/node/1720871 Relevant sheet is "School UPSFF by Spl Need"

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly, poster above gets it! None of this makes sense. How do they know a kid is economically disadvantaged? They don’t ask for tax documents, and like the poster above said how is parents income linked to student ID

When people enroll, they give the school system access to the city tax system. They don't need parents to bring in the documents.

Is this true? Source please.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly, poster above gets it! None of this makes sense. How do they know a kid is economically disadvantaged? They don’t ask for tax documents, and like the poster above said how is parents income linked to student ID

When people enroll, they give the school system access to the city tax system. They don't need parents to bring in the documents.

Is this true? Source please.

Not tax data exactly, but direct certification allows schools to pull data about SNAP and TANF recipients who are enrolled: https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/page_content/attachments/2023-24%20Direct%20Certification%20and%20Verification%20%28Oct%202023%29%20%281%29.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly, poster above gets it! None of this makes sense. How do they know a kid is economically disadvantaged? They don’t ask for tax documents, and like the poster above said how is parents income linked to student ID

When people enroll, they give the school system access to the city tax system. They don't need parents to bring in the documents.

Is this true? Source please.

Not tax data exactly, but direct certification allows schools to pull data about SNAP and TANF recipients who are enrolled: https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/page_content/attachments/2023-24%20Direct%20Certification%20and%20Verification%20%28Oct%202023%29%20%281%29.pdf

You have to opt in to direct certification.

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August results are up!!