Nearly half the kids in my kids private have a diagnosis

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Anonymous wrote:Workplaces are happy to provide accommodations that improve their business outcomes. If they can find someone to do the job just as well without them, it’s an unnecessary cost. But if the cost of the accommodation is low and the work product is good, I think they’re pretty likely to get it.

Right but "please give me double the time to complete all my work" is pretty much never going to be profitable or good for business.

Nobody is asking for double time for projects. When a student is assigned a project they don’t get double time.

If my employee needs extra time to do x I ask, when will you have it completed not the other way around.

You sound like someone who has never worked a day in their life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Workplaces are happy to provide accommodations that improve their business outcomes. If they can find someone to do the job just as well without them, it’s an unnecessary cost. But if the cost of the accommodation is low and the work product is good, I think they’re pretty likely to get it.

Right but "please give me double the time to complete all my work" is pretty much never going to be profitable or good for business.

Nobody is asking for double time for projects. When a student is assigned a project they don’t get double time.

If my employee needs extra time to do x I ask, when will you have it completed not the other way around.

You sound like someone who has never worked a day in their life

Students absolutely get extra time on projects, ability to retake tests or redo projects if the grade is low.

And obviously employees need to complete work in a timely manner and to the specifications required.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

My job doesn't include tests but frequently involves being able to produce work (data analysis or written narrative or similar) on very tight deadlines under sometimes stressful conditions (an unhappy client or needing to correct someone else's error) with few or no errors. Someone who spent their whole life getting extra time for all their tests and assignments would really struggle in my job.

Again, sounds like we agree. I actually do data analysis as well but work in an environment where there are rarely real deadlines. Every job is different. And in most cases test taking is actually pretty different from what is required in a real world job.

It’s really not though. And I say this as the mom of a kid who tests poorly. Timed tests measure a specific type of intelligence and ability that absolutely correlated to many professional job requirements. Testing well on its own isn’t enough, but it definitely relates to job duties - especially for the kinds of elite jobs you assume the elite private school kids are gunning for.

I haven't said anything about my assumptions about "elite private school kids" and what jobs they want. I think you may be referring to the kinds of jobs their parents want them to have? I attended an "elite private school" for a time and the jobs my classmates from that school actually have now run the gamut. If anything, my public school classmates have more demanding jobs.

OP’s post is about a competitive private school … this is the type of school where everyone is sweating T20 admissions and then I banking etc. Not all students but a big majority. Stop trying to pretend that the top tier privates in DC are now SN schools. It’s idiotic and offensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

My job doesn't include tests but frequently involves being able to produce work (data analysis or written narrative or similar) on very tight deadlines under sometimes stressful conditions (an unhappy client or needing to correct someone else's error) with few or no errors. Someone who spent their whole life getting extra time for all their tests and assignments would really struggle in my job.

Again, sounds like we agree. I actually do data analysis as well but work in an environment where there are rarely real deadlines. Every job is different. And in most cases test taking is actually pretty different from what is required in a real world job.

It’s really not though. And I say this as the mom of a kid who tests poorly. Timed tests measure a specific type of intelligence and ability that absolutely correlated to many professional job requirements. Testing well on its own isn’t enough, but it definitely relates to job duties - especially for the kinds of elite jobs you assume the elite private school kids are gunning for.

I haven't said anything about my assumptions about "elite private school kids" and what jobs they want. I think you may be referring to the kinds of jobs their parents want them to have? I attended an "elite private school" for a time and the jobs my classmates from that school actually have now run the gamut. If anything, my public school classmates have more demanding jobs.

OP’s post is about a competitive private school … this is the type of school where everyone is sweating T20 admissions and then I banking etc. Not all students but a big majority. Stop trying to pretend that the top tier privates in DC are now SN schools. It’s idiotic and offensive.

Responding like this to my post is idiotic and offensive.

I have no idea how many of my elite private school classmates had/have SN. I just know they have a lot of different types of jobs. Sorry that undermines your narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Workplaces are happy to provide accommodations that improve their business outcomes. If they can find someone to do the job just as well without them, it’s an unnecessary cost. But if the cost of the accommodation is low and the work product is good, I think they’re pretty likely to get it.

Right but "please give me double the time to complete all my work" is pretty much never going to be profitable or good for business.

Nobody is asking for double time for projects. When a student is assigned a project they don’t get double time.

If my employee needs extra time to do x I ask, when will you have it completed not the other way around.

You sound like someone who has never worked a day in their life

Students absolutely get extra time on projects, ability to retake tests or redo projects if the grade is low.

And obviously employees need to complete work in a timely manner and to the specifications required.

Nobody gets extra time for projects.

My staff always submits work, it’s reviewed and they go back and “fix” things based on feedback. So that actually makes more sense.

Again, you sound like you don’t work

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

My job doesn't include tests but frequently involves being able to produce work (data analysis or written narrative or similar) on very tight deadlines under sometimes stressful conditions (an unhappy client or needing to correct someone else's error) with few or no errors. Someone who spent their whole life getting extra time for all their tests and assignments would really struggle in my job.

Again, sounds like we agree. I actually do data analysis as well but work in an environment where there are rarely real deadlines. Every job is different. And in most cases test taking is actually pretty different from what is required in a real world job.

It’s really not though. And I say this as the mom of a kid who tests poorly. Timed tests measure a specific type of intelligence and ability that absolutely correlated to many professional job requirements. Testing well on its own isn’t enough, but it definitely relates to job duties - especially for the kinds of elite jobs you assume the elite private school kids are gunning for.

I haven't said anything about my assumptions about "elite private school kids" and what jobs they want. I think you may be referring to the kinds of jobs their parents want them to have? I attended an "elite private school" for a time and the jobs my classmates from that school actually have now run the gamut. If anything, my public school classmates have more demanding jobs.

OP’s post is about a competitive private school … this is the type of school where everyone is sweating T20 admissions and then I banking etc. Not all students but a big majority. Stop trying to pretend that the top tier privates in DC are now SN schools. It’s idiotic and offensive.

Responding like this to my post is idiotic and offensive.

I have no idea how many of my elite private school classmates had/have SN. I just know they have a lot of different types of jobs. Sorry that undermines your narrative.

the narrative that 1/3 of kids at Georgetown Prep are SN is facially ridiculous and doesn’t even need undermining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Workplaces are happy to provide accommodations that improve their business outcomes. If they can find someone to do the job just as well without them, it’s an unnecessary cost. But if the cost of the accommodation is low and the work product is good, I think they’re pretty likely to get it.

Right but "please give me double the time to complete all my work" is pretty much never going to be profitable or good for business.

Nobody is asking for double time for projects. When a student is assigned a project they don’t get double time.

If my employee needs extra time to do x I ask, when will you have it completed not the other way around.

You sound like someone who has never worked a day in their life

Students absolutely get extra time on projects, ability to retake tests or redo projects if the grade is low.

And obviously employees need to complete work in a timely manner and to the specifications required.

Nobody gets extra time for projects.

My staff always submits work, it’s reviewed and they go back and “fix” things based on feedback. So that actually makes more sense.

Again, you sound like you don’t work

weirrrrd flex

[Anonymous]

The truth is in the middle. Some learning differences clearly require extra time or other accommodations, to complete projects, e.g. dyslexia, dysgraphia. These are NOT related to a lower IQ, but a very intelligent student can produce a very different result using voice to text or with some extra time on a written test with the proper accommodations.

They are also likely students at these schools who take advantage of an ADHD diagnosis, but that is hard to regulate. It doesn’t mean you have the right to doubt every diagnosis though either. I think this issue is the same in public or private schools in the modern era.

I do think it is important to be clear that people with learning differences can have high intelligence or be “twice exceptional”. Again, this is true in public or private school communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not ADHD but took adderall to help with testing. It’s crazy how much harder I can work and that I got better grades when on it. I think a lot of parents want that for their kids.

I dont have adhd and was given ritalin for tiredness from chronic illness and it made me so angry I wanted to tell my coworkers to f off, so doesnt help everyone...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not ADHD but took adderall to help with testing. It’s crazy how much harder I can work and that I got better grades when on it. I think a lot of parents want that for their kids.

I dont have adhd and was given ritalin for tiredness from chronic illness and it made me so angry I wanted to tell my coworkers to f off, so doesnt help everyone...

then modafinil and later adderall--all made me totally whacked and crazy---so definitely not something that makes everyone "better"--personally found them to be horrible

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dunno about you all but test taking is not one of my regular job duties. Everyone has different strengths. Not being able to finish a test quickly is not a death knell for success in the workplace. The issues that drive the need for the accommodation are what might get in the way, and that will depend on the specific job.

My job doesn't include tests but frequently involves being able to produce work (data analysis or written narrative or similar) on very tight deadlines under sometimes stressful conditions (an unhappy client or needing to correct someone else's error) with few or no errors. Someone who spent their whole life getting extra time for all their tests and assignments would really struggle in my job.

Again, sounds like we agree. I actually do data analysis as well but work in an environment where there are rarely real deadlines. Every job is different. And in most cases test taking is actually pretty different from what is required in a real world job.

It’s really not though. And I say this as the mom of a kid who tests poorly. Timed tests measure a specific type of intelligence and ability that absolutely correlated to many professional job requirements. Testing well on its own isn’t enough, but it definitely relates to job duties - especially for the kinds of elite jobs you assume the elite private school kids are gunning for.

I haven't said anything about my assumptions about "elite private school kids" and what jobs they want. I think you may be referring to the kinds of jobs their parents want them to have? I attended an "elite private school" for a time and the jobs my classmates from that school actually have now run the gamut. If anything, my public school classmates have more demanding jobs.

OP’s post is about a competitive private school … this is the type of school where everyone is sweating T20 admissions and then I banking etc. Not all students but a big majority. Stop trying to pretend that the top tier privates in DC are now SN schools. It’s idiotic and offensive.

Responding like this to my post is idiotic and offensive.

I have no idea how many of my elite private school classmates had/have SN. I just know they have a lot of different types of jobs. Sorry that undermines your narrative.

the narrative that 1/3 of kids at Georgetown Prep are SN is facially ridiculous and doesn’t even need undermining.

Ok, but I definitely didn't say that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Workplaces are happy to provide accommodations that improve their business outcomes. If they can find someone to do the job just as well without them, it’s an unnecessary cost. But if the cost of the accommodation is low and the work product is good, I think they’re pretty likely to get it.

Right but "please give me double the time to complete all my work" is pretty much never going to be profitable or good for business.

Nobody is asking for double time for projects. When a student is assigned a project they don’t get double time.

If my employee needs extra time to do x I ask, when will you have it completed not the other way around.

You sound like someone who has never worked a day in their life

Students absolutely get extra time on projects, ability to retake tests or redo projects if the grade is low.

And obviously employees need to complete work in a timely manner and to the specifications required.

My kid is in law school and many students get extra time!

[Anonymous]

Op - this thread has so focused on adhd and ‘extra time’. My school doesn’t even test! Not all these kids have adhd. This is nyc btw.
Here’s an example of what I mean - I know multiple people who went to trinity (considered the tippy top in nyc). In one family 2/3 kids younger than 25 all got asd and adhd dx (they stayed and were by no means the only ones and were fine). The parents clearly both have the same personality that got the kids the dx but older so no dx. None of them are failures to launch - they’re doing fine. They’re all a little socially awkward. Example 2 is
I’m saying we are incrementally labeling more and more with each passing year and it’s either bad or good or neutral depending on your pov. But not just about ‘extra time’.

I actually think the diagnosis that’s blowing up esp in the private world is asd. It used to be ok to be smart and super socially awkward at all these Tt privates but with the increased focus on social emotional it’s becoming more incumbent on these schools to dx so they don’t just churn out engineers they churn out engineers who can also manage

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Workplaces are happy to provide accommodations that improve their business outcomes. If they can find someone to do the job just as well without them, it’s an unnecessary cost. But if the cost of the accommodation is low and the work product is good, I think they’re pretty likely to get it.

Right but "please give me double the time to complete all my work" is pretty much never going to be profitable or good for business.

Nobody is asking for double time for projects. When a student is assigned a project they don’t get double time.

If my employee needs extra time to do x I ask, when will you have it completed not the other way around.

You sound like someone who has never worked a day in their life

Students absolutely get extra time on projects, ability to retake tests or redo projects if the grade is low.

And obviously employees need to complete work in a timely manner and to the specifications required.

My kid is in law school and many students get extra time!

On timed exams yes, on projects no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op - this thread has so focused on adhd and ‘extra time’. My school doesn’t even test! Not all these kids have adhd. This is nyc btw.
Here’s an example of what I mean - I know multiple people who went to trinity (considered the tippy top in nyc). In one family 2/3 kids younger than 25 all got asd and adhd dx (they stayed and were by no means the only ones and were fine). The parents clearly both have the same personality that got the kids the dx but older so no dx. None of them are failures to launch - they’re doing fine. They’re all a little socially awkward. Example 2 is
I’m saying we are incrementally labeling more and more with each passing year and it’s either bad or good or neutral depending on your pov. But not just about ‘extra time’.

I actually think the diagnosis that’s blowing up esp in the private world is asd. It used to be ok to be smart and super socially awkward at all these Tt privates but with the increased focus on social emotional it’s becoming more incumbent on these schools to dx so they don’t just churn out engineers they churn out engineers who can also manage

The fact that the diagnosis of ASD is expanding doesn’t mean that the therapies for it are expanding. Just because the kids get the label doesn’t mean suddenly you can do something to fix it especially on the higher functioning side. The autism label only really helps is if in fact you do have a child who is struggling - in which case they likely are not at Trinity because this generally implicates some kind of behavior or language delay that means the kid is disruptive or really does not fit in. In those cases the dx gets you access to ABA, OT and speech covered by insurance, more behavioral and academic supports in the IEP, etc.

the actual issue that researchers see with kids on the higher functioning end of the spectrum - those *few* who may “mask” well enough to succeed academically at an elite private and scrape by socially - is that they do not keep up on daily living skills like other young adults. cooking, hygeine, organization, manners, taking feedback, living with roommates, etc. That can end up being impairing. And ironically, focusing only on “accommodations” in school so they succeed academically ends up ignoring what they actually need.