How many teachers are leaving your school next year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

Yay, more exclusionary private schools for the privileged few!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What on earth are they doing differently in PW to get the pay higher than Fairfax?

I wonder if they have fewer administrators and central office staff.

Is it because they (PW) don't have that second pension? That $ has to be funded somehow.

That said, the gap between the highest earnings in the 2 counties is really surprising.

It’s because the kids are more difficult.

It has nothing to do with that.
Many of the schools particularly on the western end are almost exclusively UMC.

Prince William County has a stronger teachers union than Fairfax County.

Neither has a true union. Fairfax may soon but no NOVA district has anything but a teachers association right now.

Also I love the implication that UMC kids can’t be difficult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What on earth are they doing differently in PW to get the pay higher than Fairfax?

I wonder if they have fewer administrators and central office staff.

Is it because they (PW) don't have that second pension? That $ has to be funded somehow.

That said, the gap between the highest earnings in the 2 counties is really surprising.

It’s because the kids are more difficult.

It has nothing to do with that.
Many of the schools particularly on the western end are almost exclusively UMC.

Prince William County has a stronger teachers union than Fairfax County.

Neither has a true union. Fairfax may soon but no NOVA district has anything but a teachers association right now.

Also I love the implication that UMC kids can’t be difficult.

+1- and the oversight that parental anxiety in the UMC set is off the charts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

You just want charters. I see you.

[Anonymous]

Don’t be fooled by charter schools. Some are better than public and some are worse. If charter schools were so great, wealthy areas would have picked them up already, but you usually only see them in low income communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

You just want charters. I see you.

Teacher here. Will charters and privates allow teachers to genuinely teach without the burnout-causing administrative tasks, unnecessary and harmful overtesting of students, and never-ending rotation of poorly developed county initiatives?

The answer seems to be yes. I’d love to see statistics on how many public school teachers are fleeing to these charter/private placements. I know several.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What on earth are they doing differently in PW to get the pay higher than Fairfax?

I wonder if they have fewer administrators and central office staff.

Is it because they (PW) don't have that second pension? That $ has to be funded somehow.

That said, the gap between the highest earnings in the 2 counties is really surprising.

It’s because the kids are more difficult.

It has nothing to do with that.
Many of the schools particularly on the western end are almost exclusively UMC.

Prince William County has a stronger teachers union than Fairfax County.

Neither has a true union. Fairfax may soon but no NOVA district has anything but a teachers association right now.

Also I love the implication that UMC kids can’t be difficult.

Fairfax may soon, but PWC already has collective bargaining. The PP was probably referring to the fact the PWCS has a collectively bargained contract that covers the next three years. FCPS is not yet to that point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

You just want charters. I see you.

Teacher here. Will charters and privates allow teachers to genuinely teach without the burnout-causing administrative tasks, unnecessary and harmful overtesting of students, and never-ending rotation of poorly developed county initiatives?

The answer seems to be yes. I’d love to see statistics on how many public school teachers are fleeing to these charter/private placements. I know several.

go work for the charters in DC.

they hook you up with a cell phone so you can be available to students in the evenings.

you have extra duties to fulfill outside of teaching hours that are not planning or grading related.

they work you even more than any public school in NoVa.

yeah, its great to work for a charter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

You just want charters. I see you.

Teacher here. Will charters and privates allow teachers to genuinely teach without the burnout-causing administrative tasks, unnecessary and harmful overtesting of students, and never-ending rotation of poorly developed county initiatives?

The answer seems to be yes. I’d love to see statistics on how many public school teachers are fleeing to these charter/private placements. I know several.

go work for the charters in DC.

they hook you up with a cell phone so you can be available to students in the evenings.

you have extra duties to fulfill outside of teaching hours that are not planning or grading related.

they work you even more than any public school in NoVa.

yeah, its great to work for a charter.

+1 and often you are expected to do home visits. FCPS teachers wouldn’t last one day in the charter schools with all their whining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

You just want charters. I see you.

Teacher here. Will charters and privates allow teachers to genuinely teach without the burnout-causing administrative tasks, unnecessary and harmful overtesting of students, and never-ending rotation of poorly developed county initiatives?

The answer seems to be yes. I’d love to see statistics on how many public school teachers are fleeing to these charter/private placements. I know several.

go work for the charters in DC.

they hook you up with a cell phone so you can be available to students in the evenings.

you have extra duties to fulfill outside of teaching hours that are not planning or grading related.

they work you even more than any public school in NoVa.

yeah, its great to work for a charter.

+1 and often you are expected to do home visits. FCPS teachers wouldn’t last one day in the charter schools with all their whining.

Why do you think it’s okay to be overworked and abused? Is it a sense of pride to you? A “look at me and what I can accomplish” feeling?

**If** it’s true that you are expected to do home visits and that you are given a cell phone for evening support, then simply say no. Neither of those are acceptable. Teachers are in such high demand right now that you have the power to do that.

Teachers are FINALLY pushing back at the assumption that our lives belong to our jobs. I don’t think you look better for martyring yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

You just want charters. I see you.

Teacher here. Will charters and privates allow teachers to genuinely teach without the burnout-causing administrative tasks, unnecessary and harmful overtesting of students, and never-ending rotation of poorly developed county initiatives?

The answer seems to be yes. I’d love to see statistics on how many public school teachers are fleeing to these charter/private placements. I know several.

go work for the charters in DC.

they hook you up with a cell phone so you can be available to students in the evenings.

you have extra duties to fulfill outside of teaching hours that are not planning or grading related.

they work you even more than any public school in NoVa.

yeah, its great to work for a charter.

+1 and often you are expected to do home visits. FCPS teachers wouldn’t last one day in the charter schools with all their whining.

The charters can’t keep staff either

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

You just want charters. I see you.

Teacher here. Will charters and privates allow teachers to genuinely teach without the burnout-causing administrative tasks, unnecessary and harmful overtesting of students, and never-ending rotation of poorly developed county initiatives?

The answer seems to be yes. I’d love to see statistics on how many public school teachers are fleeing to these charter/private placements. I know several.

I'm sure the parents create drama and issues as they do in the public schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

You just want charters. I see you.

Teacher here. Will charters and privates allow teachers to genuinely teach without the burnout-causing administrative tasks, unnecessary and harmful overtesting of students, and never-ending rotation of poorly developed county initiatives?

The answer seems to be yes. I’d love to see statistics on how many public school teachers are fleeing to these charter/private placements. I know several.

go work for the charters in DC.

they hook you up with a cell phone so you can be available to students in the evenings.

you have extra duties to fulfill outside of teaching hours that are not planning or grading related.

they work you even more than any public school in NoVa.

yeah, its great to work for a charter.

+1 and often you are expected to do home visits. FCPS teachers wouldn’t last one day in the charter schools with all their whining.

You said whining but you spelled parents wrong. Do you all ever listen to yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see the teachers who love teaching—and are good at it—but hate the nonsense throw in together and start up alternatives.
Something like Fairfax Collegiate but offered September-mid June.
No unnecessary administration or paperwork, steady schedules that make sense, no expectation or need to tolerate disrespect.

It’s the future of effective education.

You just want charters. I see you.

Teacher here. Will charters and privates allow teachers to genuinely teach without the burnout-causing administrative tasks, unnecessary and harmful overtesting of students, and never-ending rotation of poorly developed county initiatives?

The answer seems to be yes. I’d love to see statistics on how many public school teachers are fleeing to these charter/private placements. I know several.

go work for the charters in DC.

they hook you up with a cell phone so you can be available to students in the evenings.

you have extra duties to fulfill outside of teaching hours that are not planning or grading related.

they work you even more than any public school in NoVa.

yeah, its great to work for a charter.

+1 and often you are expected to do home visits. FCPS teachers wouldn’t last one day in the charter schools with all their whining.

Why do you think it’s okay to be overworked and abused? Is it a sense of pride to you? A “look at me and what I can accomplish” feeling?

**If** it’s true that you are expected to do home visits and that you are given a cell phone for evening support, then simply say no. Neither of those are acceptable. Teachers are in such high demand right now that you have the power to do that.

Teachers are FINALLY pushing back at the assumption that our lives belong to our jobs. I don’t think you look better for martyring yourself.

This AMEN!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 FCPS teachers in my neighborhood and in talking to both of them, one took a position with APS for next school year and the other is trying to leave for APS or ACPS. Both of which pay better than FCPS.

FCPS seems particularly “squeezed” in this regard. APS, ACPS, and probably DCPS all pay better. PWC, Loudoun, and points further out pay about the same as FCPS but it’s cheaper to live in the exurbs.

People seem to forget that FCPS has an additional retirement program (ERFC) that none of the other counties have. That counts for a lot. I get that everyone wants more money now, but I think it is shortsighted to just look at annual pay. APS has its own issues, and is only scheduled for a 1% raise next year.

I agree, but I also wonder how many 22 year old graduates are thinking they’ll stay in teaching for 33 years to get that full ERFC benefit. If they don’t see that in their future then the money now in their net pay might be more appealing (and I write this as someone who has taught for 30+ years and will benefit from ERFC).