Banneker HS - College and Score Outcomes

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

While I agree with much of this, why is it that Walls, for example, gets a rating of 2nd best Metro-area school, after TJ? It's not any of the MoCo schools. BTW I'm a MoCo school product and don't believe I received some kind of superior education to the masses.

Walls and Banneker used to have a more rigorous selection processes and have built their reputations on the student bodies they attracted as a result. As other threads attest to, those selection processes have been torn asunder in recent years by doing away with PARCC scores and testing and basing admissions decisions entirely on GPA (despite wide variation within and between DCPS schools in grading standards), subjective letters of recommendation, interviews, and an essay (application for Banneker, in-person for Walls). As a result, selection has become more akin to a lottery, which will inevitably impinge upon the preparedness of the students and the quality of learning at the schools. The proposed funding cuts to DCPS won't help matters either. Which is a long way of saying that while these DC selective schools have good reputations, they are probably heading in the wrong direction.

I think you are being dramatic and perhaps resentful. My child, and the others in their cohort who got into Walls and Banneker, are all high-achieving, high GPA's and 4's & 5's on PARCC, and read and math above grade level. Yes, they made it in under the subjective letters of rec, interview, and essay, but those don't negate the objective merits that helped get them in. The bottom line is, there are not enough spots for all the kids who deserve them, as has been said hundreds of time before. So it has to come down to luck at some point. I do believe that the '09-'10 babies were a boom in the city and changed the demographics forever more. Unfortunately it's only going to be harder for the coming cohorts to get into these schools. Hopefully though, the likes of McKinley, DCI, and others will benefit from the onslaught of more high-achieving students and things will start equaling out a bit with more better HS options in DC (plus the intro of MacArthur into the mix).

My kid got in. But the new admissions processes are still objectively silly.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

Thank God for that.

Why, exactly? As someone who went to an excellent Magnet school in another city and state, I see no reason why DC shouldn't compete at this level.

I don't see any reason either. DC has the public-school academics, demographics and location to support at least one bona fide magnet high school, just not the political will or leadership in our ed sector to bother building the program. Highly discretionary and unaccountable admissions systems at both Walls and Banneker actively shortchange our best and brightest, particularly low SES talent. Kids who aren't the strongest students at their place on the socioeconomic spectrum in their DC public middle schools often crack Walls and/or Banneker. Meanwhile, academic stars relative to others based on SES often don't get in via an ever-changing and uncomfortably opaque admissions process. The process is so ad hoc and, frankly, unfair that it's become a disgrace. Why assume that Boston, New York City and Chicago got it wrong, just to be contrary and woke? The inconvenient truth is that magnet schools in other big cities have generated superior results for low-income students for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

Thank God for that.

Why, exactly? As someone who went to an excellent Magnet school in another city and state, I see no reason why DC shouldn't compete at this level.

I don't see any reason either. DC has the public-school academics, demographics and location to support at least one bona fide magnet high school, just not the political will or leadership in our ed sector to bother building the program. Highly discretionary and unaccountable admissions systems at both Walls and Banneker actively shortchange our best and brightest, particularly low SES talent. Kids who aren't the strongest students at their place on the socioeconomic spectrum in their DC public middle schools often crack Walls and/or Banneker. Meanwhile, academic stars relative to others based on SES often don't get in via an ever-changing and uncomfortably opaque admissions process. The process is so ad hoc and, frankly, unfair that it's become a disgrace. Why assume that Boston, New York City and Chicago got it wrong, just to be contrary and woke? The inconvenient truth is that magnet schools in other big cities have generated superior results for low-income students for decades.

Who are you to judge the kids who got in?

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No standardized test scores required to apply to Walls or Banneker, no acid test, no reasonable basis for evaluating and comparing the academic potential of students applying. The PSAT 8/9 would work well and even the PARCC/CAPE would be fine There's a reason that Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, MIT etc. recently announced that they're bringing back the SAT or ACT in admissions. Elite colleges haven't started requiring standardized test scores again because they've been able to admit academically superior cohorts without scores for many applicants since early on in the pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

While I agree with much of this, why is it that Walls, for example, gets a rating of 2nd best Metro-area school, after TJ? It's not any of the MoCo schools. BTW I'm a MoCo school product and don't believe I received some kind of superior education to the masses.

Walls' USNWR rating is set to drop under bad new leadership. Do you have kids in DCPS? I used to teach AP humanities at BCC in MoCo. We can't take another year low-capacity DCPS, with Mathnasium teaching the math and a tutor teaching the writing. Good thing we applied to parochial high schools for my 8th grader. She and longtime pals, academic stars who win essays competitions and work one or two years ahead in math, have been shut out of both Banneker and Walls. The masses in DC public and the masses in MCPS, v. different things.

What's wrong with Walls' leadership? You sound bitter just because your kid didn't get admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:No standardized test scores required to apply to Walls or Banneker, no acid test, no reasonable basis for evaluating and comparing the academic potential of students applying. The PSAT 8/9 would work well and even the PARCC/CAPE would be fine There's a reason that Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, MIT etc. recently announced that they're bringing back the SAT or ACT in admissions. Elite colleges haven't started requiring standardized test scores again because they've been able to admit academically superior cohorts without scores for many applicants since early on in the pandemic.

These elite colleges also discovered - perhaps to their surprise - that the admissions prospects of minority students and others from disadvantaged backgrounds were actually hurt by not requiring standardized tests. This is because many privileged students are more adept at touting their extra-curriculars and what not so that they can stand out. It’s unlikely therefore that DCPS is doing the cause of equity any favors by not considering the results of standardized tests for Walls, Banneker, and other selective schools. And this is from a parent who’s kid got in.

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker threads always get ugly here.

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True but I detect progress! Now they’re complaining they can’t get into Banneker and that Banneker needs to provide more data to solicit them

Whew, this comment was spot on.

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MCPS, FCPS, DCPS, ABCDEFG, etc....People will always complain about any system in place. Check any forum and the complaints are nearly universal. It all comes from a mindset that a magnet slot is "my" kids birth rite. So something has to be awfully wrong when they are shut out. Work to change the system instead of having sour grapes!

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

Thank God for that.

Why, exactly? As someone who went to an excellent Magnet school in another city and state, I see no reason why DC shouldn't compete at this level.

I don't see any reason either. DC has the public-school academics, demographics and location to support at least one bona fide magnet high school, just not the political will or leadership in our ed sector to bother building the program. Highly discretionary and unaccountable admissions systems at both Walls and Banneker actively shortchange our best and brightest, particularly low SES talent. Kids who aren't the strongest students at their place on the socioeconomic spectrum in their DC public middle schools often crack Walls and/or Banneker. Meanwhile, academic stars relative to others based on SES often don't get in via an ever-changing and uncomfortably opaque admissions process. The process is so ad hoc and, frankly, unfair that it's become a disgrace. Why assume that Boston, New York City and Chicago got it wrong, just to be contrary and woke? The inconvenient truth is that magnet schools in other big cities have generated superior results for low-income students for decades.

The reason the admissions process is ad hoc, untransparent and unaccountable is because the last thing people in DC want is a high performing school that's dominated by Asians and whites.

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Anonymous wrote:No standardized test scores required to apply to Walls or Banneker, no acid test, no reasonable basis for evaluating and comparing the academic potential of students applying. The PSAT 8/9 would work well and even the PARCC/CAPE would be fine There's a reason that Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, MIT etc. recently announced that they're bringing back the SAT or ACT in admissions. Elite colleges haven't started requiring standardized test scores again because they've been able to admit academically superior cohorts without scores for many applicants since early on in the pandemic.

These elite colleges also discovered - perhaps to their surprise - that the admissions prospects of minority students and others from disadvantaged backgrounds were actually hurt by not requiring standardized tests. This is because many privileged students are more adept at touting their extra-curriculars and what not so that they can stand out. It’s unlikely therefore that DCPS is doing the cause of equity any favors by not considering the results of standardized tests for Walls, Banneker, and other selective schools. And this is from a parent who’s kid got in.

This. Stop the well-intentioned madness. PSAT 8/9 is such a good test that many school systems around the country use it as their state standardized test for high school. My kid took it for admission to a pre-college summer program and thought it was much better than PARCC/CAPE.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

Thank God for that.

Why, exactly? As someone who went to an excellent Magnet school in another city and state, I see no reason why DC shouldn't compete at this level.

I don't see any reason either. DC has the public-school academics, demographics and location to support at least one bona fide magnet high school, just not the political will or leadership in our ed sector to bother building the program. Highly discretionary and unaccountable admissions systems at both Walls and Banneker actively shortchange our best and brightest, particularly low SES talent. Kids who aren't the strongest students at their place on the socioeconomic spectrum in their DC public middle schools often crack Walls and/or Banneker. Meanwhile, academic stars relative to others based on SES often don't get in via an ever-changing and uncomfortably opaque admissions process. The process is so ad hoc and, frankly, unfair that it's become a disgrace. Why assume that Boston, New York City and Chicago got it wrong, just to be contrary and woke? The inconvenient truth is that magnet schools in other big cities have generated superior results for low-income students for decades.

The reason the admissions process is ad hoc, untransparent and unaccountable is because the last thing people in DC want is a high performing school that's dominated by Asians and whites.

Times are changing steadily in this city: the optics of majority white + Asian classes aren't the problem they would have been even 5 years ago. Banneker won't be allowed to become majority white, but Walls already is, so is BASIS' HS, and J-R and Latin are nearly there.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

While I agree with much of this, why is it that Walls, for example, gets a rating of 2nd best Metro-area school, after TJ? It's not any of the MoCo schools. BTW I'm a MoCo school product and don't believe I received some kind of superior education to the masses.

Walls' USNWR rating is set to drop under bad new leadership. Do you have kids in DCPS? I used to teach AP humanities at BCC in MoCo. We can't take another year low-capacity DCPS, with Mathnasium teaching the math and a tutor teaching the writing. Good thing we applied to parochial high schools for my 8th grader. She and longtime pals, academic stars who win essays competitions and work one or two years ahead in math, have been shut out of both Banneker and Walls. The masses in DC public and the masses in MCPS, v. different things.

What's wrong with Walls' leadership? You sound bitter just because your kid didn't get admitted.

NP. I'm not bitter. My kid was admitted. The current head of Walls is dim-witted and ineffectual, period. The kids don't respect her, the parents don't respect her, the teachers don't respect her. Do you need more?

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

Thank God for that.

Why, exactly? As someone who went to an excellent Magnet school in another city and state, I see no reason why DC shouldn't compete at this level.

I don't see any reason either. DC has the public-school academics, demographics and location to support at least one bona fide magnet high school, just not the political will or leadership in our ed sector to bother building the program. Highly discretionary and unaccountable admissions systems at both Walls and Banneker actively shortchange our best and brightest, particularly low SES talent. Kids who aren't the strongest students at their place on the socioeconomic spectrum in their DC public middle schools often crack Walls and/or Banneker. Meanwhile, academic stars relative to others based on SES often don't get in via an ever-changing and uncomfortably opaque admissions process. The process is so ad hoc and, frankly, unfair that it's become a disgrace. Why assume that Boston, New York City and Chicago got it wrong, just to be contrary and woke? The inconvenient truth is that magnet schools in other big cities have generated superior results for low-income students for decades.

The reason the admissions process is ad hoc, untransparent and unaccountable is because the last thing people in DC want is a high performing school that's dominated by Asians and whites.

Times are changing steadily in this city: the optics of majority white + Asian classes aren't the problem they would have been even 5 years ago. Banneker won't be allowed to become majority white, but Walls already is, so is BASIS' HS, and J-R and Latin are nearly there.

Look at the demographics of students getting 5s in high school math classes in middle school. It's much more white than Walls and there are almost no black students. The optics are still a problem. And it's different if it's a charter or a zoned school vs. a selective admissions school.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

Thank God for that.

Why, exactly? As someone who went to an excellent Magnet school in another city and state, I see no reason why DC shouldn't compete at this level.

I don't see any reason either. DC has the public-school academics, demographics and location to support at least one bona fide magnet high school, just not the political will or leadership in our ed sector to bother building the program. Highly discretionary and unaccountable admissions systems at both Walls and Banneker actively shortchange our best and brightest, particularly low SES talent. Kids who aren't the strongest students at their place on the socioeconomic spectrum in their DC public middle schools often crack Walls and/or Banneker. Meanwhile, academic stars relative to others based on SES often don't get in via an ever-changing and uncomfortably opaque admissions process. The process is so ad hoc and, frankly, unfair that it's become a disgrace. Why assume that Boston, New York City and Chicago got it wrong, just to be contrary and woke? The inconvenient truth is that magnet schools in other big cities have generated superior results for low-income students for decades.

The reason the admissions process is ad hoc, untransparent and unaccountable is because the last thing people in DC want is a high performing school that's dominated by Asians and whites.

Times are changing steadily in this city: the optics of majority white + Asian classes aren't the problem they would have been even 5 years ago. Banneker won't be allowed to become majority white, but Walls already is, so is BASIS' HS, and J-R and Latin are nearly there.

Look at TJ. Punished for being too Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

My personable Asian 8th grader who finds 10th grade math/Trigonometry easy at a DC charter, scored 600s on the SAT for admission to a Johns Hopkins CTY STEM camp and has a 3.9 GPA wasn't so much as waitlisted at Banneker. I'm left with the impression that Banneker doesn't knock itself out on the STEM achievement front. We're staying at the charter, which the kid isn't wild about, with new appreciation for it.

Banneker is a Humanities focused school so no you won't get the STEM feel you want. It's not hard to figure out. I'd look at moving if you feel like your kid needs more of a challenge. TJ would probably be great..Blair also.

Do you not understand the residency requirements that apply to public schools across the country or are you trying to make a different point about where you would like people from certain backgrounds to move to? I'm genuinely curious.

DP who referenced TJ, Blair and RMIB. No, it has nothing to do with race. Just making a point about how annoying parents are when they declare nothing is possibly good enough for their “advanced” child. Ok friend, try your hand at the VERY selective and demanding public programs just a short move away. Oh, Larlo won’t get into TJ? You don’t say …

They didn't get into Banneker. Banneker decided the kid wasn't good enough for them, not the other way around. And it wasn't because they had a long line of more academically-advanced kids trying to get in.

+1. What a joke. When a pleasant, diligent 8th grader does HS math two or three years ahead of grade level and destroyed both mandatory sections of the SAT at age 14 but can't even get waitlisted at Banneker, the system is broken. Everybody's sure that not being low SES or AA was irrelevant in the case? I'm far from convinced. I note that Banneker's average SAT scores for 17–18-year-olds are still just a little above the national average, in the low 500s.

They don't look at PARCC scores or what math class the kid is taking, much less SAT, and they're explicit about that. I think that's a huge mistake. But I don't think you need an additional explanation on top of that. It's basically random.

What an outrage. Why in the hell can't DC support a single world-class public high school with transparent admissions or an elite school-within-a-school program like other big US cities do here in 2024? High time for DC voters to demand more.

Walls, BASIS, Banneker, J-R, Latin, DCI, none of them are half as good as Boston Latin or Cambridge Rindge and Latin (although Boston and DC are very close in population size). All of our best public high schools either support middling academics, weak facilities or both. All of them essentially admit by lottery, or by real estate. None of them even aspire to be in the same league as the Blair Montgomery magnets, TJ, or Richard Montgomery or Washington-Liberty IB Diploma, here in the DMV. High time for DC to up its game.

Thank God for that.

Why, exactly? As someone who went to an excellent Magnet school in another city and state, I see no reason why DC shouldn't compete at this level.

I don't see any reason either. DC has the public-school academics, demographics and location to support at least one bona fide magnet high school, just not the political will or leadership in our ed sector to bother building the program. Highly discretionary and unaccountable admissions systems at both Walls and Banneker actively shortchange our best and brightest, particularly low SES talent. Kids who aren't the strongest students at their place on the socioeconomic spectrum in their DC public middle schools often crack Walls and/or Banneker. Meanwhile, academic stars relative to others based on SES often don't get in via an ever-changing and uncomfortably opaque admissions process. The process is so ad hoc and, frankly, unfair that it's become a disgrace. Why assume that Boston, New York City and Chicago got it wrong, just to be contrary and woke? The inconvenient truth is that magnet schools in other big cities have generated superior results for low-income students for decades.

The reason the admissions process is ad hoc, untransparent and unaccountable is because the last thing people in DC want is a high performing school that's dominated by Asians and whites.

Times are changing steadily in this city: the optics of majority white + Asian classes aren't the problem they would have been even 5 years ago. Banneker won't be allowed to become majority white, but Walls already is, so is BASIS' HS, and J-R and Latin are nearly there.

I take your point, but you overstate the facts.

For 2022-2023, Walls was 48% white and J-R was just 38% white.