Banneker HS - College and Score Outcomes

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker beats JR for SAT but not AP passage percentage

Because they’re measuring different groups at JR. SAT is all students at JR, AP is only some students.

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker beats JR for SAT but not AP passage percentage

Because they’re measuring different groups at JR. SAT is all students at JR, AP is only some students.

No.

The AP number is the percentage of kids with an AP score who scored a 3, 4, or 5. That percentage is higher at J-R than Banneker.

Also, not everyone takes the SAT since some kids take the ACT instead or take neither the SAT nor ACT since many colleges are test optional.

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In DC all HS students take the SAT in school in a regular school day unless they purposefully are absent that day.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Banneker beats JR for SAT but not AP passage percentage

Because they’re measuring different groups at JR. SAT is all students at JR, AP is only some students.

No.

The AP number is the percentage of kids with an AP score who scored a 3, 4, or 5. That percentage is higher at J-R than Banneker.

Also, not everyone takes the SAT since some kids take the ACT instead or take neither the SAT nor ACT since many colleges are test optional.

OSSE requires all high school students to take the SAT. It’s the reason 11th-12th graders don’t have to take PARCC. It’s given for free in school.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Given that they got rid of test scores 4 years ago as part of admissions, look for this variance to decline moving forward.

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Anonymous wrote:The Banneker SAT scores listed there are from the 22-23 class. While that cohort was fabulous-- and sent plenty of kids to ivys-- they enrolled in Banneker before the move to the new building. In the new building, the school is attracting a broader student profile. Furthermore, while Walls may have higher average SAT scores it also has a significantly lower at-risk student body and since SAT scores correlate directly with household income it makes sense that those students would test higher. Meaning: it's not an attribute of the school's quality, it's an attribute of the school's higher SES families. (Walls at-risk = 12%; Bannekeru at-risk = 29%)

Jackson-Reed has about the same percentage of at-risk as Banneker but lower SAT test scores.

If you look a bit further back, there are years where the J-R average is higher and others where Banneker is higher.

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I used to think that Banneker was the smart choice over J-R even for families in WoTP, but after a bit deeper I’m not sure that is the case. SAT and AP scores are about even, but Banneker’s tiny IB program and limited AP offerings are a major handicap. J-R’s size is a problem now but that should abate with MacA scaling up. As it stands, motivated kids probably have better options at J-R than Banneker.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Given that they got rid of test scores 4 years ago as part of admissions, look for this variance to decline moving forward.

Yes, all the available Walls SAT data is based on classes admitted by exam. It’s pretty to think that the school itself is responsible for the scores, but the fact is that kids who are good at taking exams tend to be good at taking exams.

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They might have a list of college acceptances from 2020 or so somewhere on their website, but it's not like a private school where they circulate a list as a recruiting tool. Anecdotally, this year I know of acceptances at Cornell (full ride), Yale, and the AU full ride people showed up at the school for a public announcement a few weeks ago. My Banneker student is not in 12th so that's all I have confirmation of so far this year. Can try to find out more.

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I feel like Banneker is so different from other schools that test scores can’t really be the deciding factor. Do you want your kid to go to a historical black highly academically intensive school with tons of homework and less “traditional” HS culture like sports? Or do you want your kid to have a more traditional and flexible experience in a less academically focused culture?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Given that they got rid of test scores 4 years ago as part of admissions, look for this variance to decline moving forward.

Yes, all the available Walls SAT data is based on classes admitted by exam. It’s pretty to think that the school itself is responsible for the scores, but the fact is that kids who are good at taking exams tend to be good at taking exams.

The PARCC scores haven't declined that much for the new classes, so I don't know that the SAT scores will, either.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Given that they got rid of test scores 4 years ago as part of admissions, look for this variance to decline moving forward.

Yes, all the available Walls SAT data is based on classes admitted by exam. It’s pretty to think that the school itself is responsible for the scores, but the fact is that kids who are good at taking exams tend to be good at taking exams.

The PARCC scores haven't declined that much for the new classes, so I don't know that the SAT scores will, either.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up DCPS SAT scores. I think on the DCPS site. There's a spreadsheet. You can also find AP scores. Walls is the only school that's just across the board higher. JR is obviously huge and high-variance.

Thanks. Found the SAT (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/dcps-data-set-sat) and AP (https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/ap-score-data-sets) spreadsheets. The averages are indeed as you say. I would have expected Banneker to do better but I take it that there is a very long thread from a few years back on that topic.

Why do you think your child will score in line with others? I have a Banneker student who has scored 5 on APs and 1540 on SATs. You’re aware this is a Title 1 school. The kids are all very studious and bright but there are some kids who have tough home lives. If your kid doesn’t have these challenges, s/he will score high. Test score track HHI closely.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to think that Banneker was the smart choice over J-R even for families in WoTP, but after a bit deeper I’m not sure that is the case. SAT and AP scores are about even, but Banneker’s tiny IB program and limited AP offerings are a major handicap. J-R’s size is a problem now but that should abate with MacA scaling up. As it stands, motivated kids probably have better options at J-R than Banneker.

There are some kids who do not want a big school like JR. It isn’t an apples to apples comparison. They’re both good schools but very different!

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