IVF embryos are people too

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So if I stop paying for storage is it murder for the IVF company to dispose of them?
What if I die? Do my kids inherit the embryos and have to pay for storage? Can you even inherit people?

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Anonymous wrote:I wish I could post this in the thread about Rob Reiner’s documentary on Christian Nationalism but it got locked. This is language in a real court ruling in America.

The Catholic Church strongly opposes IVF.

The Catholic Church? I lost all respect for the CC during the HIV/AIDS epidemic when they opposed condom use (because they oppose contraception except for the rhythm method) and promoted "chastity." Never mind, how they protected pedophile priests...

The twin cruelties of denying birth control and their child raping road show is why I despise the Catholic Church, add to that their worsening the HIV/AIDS crisis and their political action and they’re even worse.

I guess denying IVF is why they need to have more White babies for the pipeline or whatever the Handmaiden said.

The Church’s teaching on the immorality of IVF is based upon God ordained natural law. Chastity outside of marriage between a man and a woman has always been part of the Catechism. The Catholic Church is furthermore growing fastest in Subsaharan Africa so it has nothing to do with white babies (the Church is shrinking fastest in Western Europe and North America. The next Pope may very well be a black African.
Oh, and there’s a very special place in Hell for child raping priests.

Folks that do not believe in IVF should not get IVF treatment. Other people were given an amazing IVF treatment by their God to allow them to have a family and it does nto concern you in any way.

I have one vote just like you do. My vote is determined by my conscience formed by the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

I am catholic and I have a children conceived by IVF. God told me to do it and was right.

NP
You chose to go against the teachings of the church. You have the right to make that choice, but that choice makes you NOT a practicing Catholic.

I turn down the greatest gift god has given me and THAT makes me a Catholic. I don't think so.

If you believe god has given you that gift, that is your option. Others believe in science.

I believe in science. My argument is that for every religious person telling me that IVF is forbidden by this or that church there is a flip argument that IVF is encouraged by this or that church.

In my opinion reproductive decisions are private and personal. No one has to treat infertility with IVF but no one should be denied that treatment if they believe that it is the right decision for their situation.

"This chruch or that church" perhaps, but NOT the Catholic church.

We need to agree to disagree. I would urge people to get infertility treated if they can. And vote to ensure important medical treatments are not outlawed in Alabama or anywhere else.

No. It is a fact, not an opinion, that the Catholic church does not encourage IVF.

Are you infertile?

My fertility is irrelevant. I am not stating my feelings about IVF. I am stating the Catholic church’s position on IVF.
If you pursue IVF you are not a practicing Catholic. Just like if you eat meat you are not a vegetarian.

I’ll tell that to the Catholic women I know who have had IVF, not to mention the ones I know who have had abortions.

Just out of curiosity, do pedo priests still remain Catholics? What about the church officials who aid and abet them?

You'll tell that to the WOMEN (not CATHOLIC women) that do things that are contrary to the Catholic church's teachings--which they have every right to do, since they are NOT practicing Catholics.

And Yes, anyone that sexually abuses children is also not a practicing Catholic.

Ok but your DCUM judgements and theology lessons have no effect on reality. Catholic women have been rolling their eyes at the backwards reproductive teachings in the church for decades. They simply just ignore it and continue to try to focus on doing unto others. One of these decades, the Catholic Church will evolve

Half of them do. The other half seem to want to spend their time and energy getting into other people reproductive business by trying to pass laws forcing people to confirm to backwards religious beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:So if I stop paying for storage is it murder for the IVF company to dispose of them?
What if I die? Do my kids inherit the embryos and have to pay for storage? Can you even inherit people?

Hence the end of fertility clinics in red states.

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Anonymous wrote:So if I stop paying for storage is it murder for the IVF company to dispose of them?
What if I die? Do my kids inherit the embryos and have to pay for storage? Can you even inherit people?

Hence the end of fertility clinics in red states.

Can my kids inherit them in another state and then dispose? How can we have life beginning at one time and one state but at another time in another?......

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Anonymous wrote:I wish I could post this in the thread about Rob Reiner’s documentary on Christian Nationalism but it got locked. This is language in a real court ruling in America.

The Catholic Church strongly opposes IVF.

The Catholic Church? I lost all respect for the CC during the HIV/AIDS epidemic when they opposed condom use (because they oppose contraception except for the rhythm method) and promoted "chastity." Never mind, how they protected pedophile priests...

The twin cruelties of denying birth control and their child raping road show is why I despise the Catholic Church, add to that their worsening the HIV/AIDS crisis and their political action and they’re even worse.

I guess denying IVF is why they need to have more White babies for the pipeline or whatever the Handmaiden said.

The Church’s teaching on the immorality of IVF is based upon God ordained natural law. Chastity outside of marriage between a man and a woman has always been part of the Catechism. The Catholic Church is furthermore growing fastest in Subsaharan Africa so it has nothing to do with white babies (the Church is shrinking fastest in Western Europe and North America. The next Pope may very well be a black African.
Oh, and there’s a very special place in Hell for child raping priests.

Folks that do not believe in IVF should not get IVF treatment. Other people were given an amazing IVF treatment by their God to allow them to have a family and it does nto concern you in any way.

I have one vote just like you do. My vote is determined by my conscience formed by the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

I am catholic and I have a children conceived by IVF. God told me to do it and was right.

NP
You chose to go against the teachings of the church. You have the right to make that choice, but that choice makes you NOT a practicing Catholic.

I turn down the greatest gift god has given me and THAT makes me a Catholic. I don't think so.

If you believe god has given you that gift, that is your option. Others believe in science.

I believe in science. My argument is that for every religious person telling me that IVF is forbidden by this or that church there is a flip argument that IVF is encouraged by this or that church.

In my opinion reproductive decisions are private and personal. No one has to treat infertility with IVF but no one should be denied that treatment if they believe that it is the right decision for their situation.

"This chruch or that church" perhaps, but NOT the Catholic church.

We need to agree to disagree. I would urge people to get infertility treated if they can. And vote to ensure important medical treatments are not outlawed in Alabama or anywhere else.

No. It is a fact, not an opinion, that the Catholic church does not encourage IVF.

Are you infertile?

My fertility is irrelevant. I am not stating my feelings about IVF. I am stating the Catholic church’s position on IVF.
If you pursue IVF you are not a practicing Catholic. Just like if you eat meat you are not a vegetarian.

I’ll tell that to the Catholic women I know who have had IVF, not to mention the ones I know who have had abortions.

Just out of curiosity, do pedo priests still remain Catholics? What about the church officials who aid and abet them?

You'll tell that to the WOMEN (not CATHOLIC women) that do things that are contrary to the Catholic church's teachings--which they have every right to do, since they are NOT practicing Catholics.

And Yes, anyone that sexually abuses children is also not a practicing Catholic.

You can consider yourself practicing a religion, and yet not follow every teaching of that religion. In fact, I would say 100% of people who say they practice a particular religion do not follow every single thing in that religion 100% of the time. Because we are human beings, not robots.

We all make our own rationale for our actions, but it up to an individual to proclaim they practice a religion. Not you. I don't know why you don't get that.

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Anonymous wrote:So if I stop paying for storage is it murder for the IVF company to dispose of them?
What if I die? Do my kids inherit the embryos and have to pay for storage? Can you even inherit people?

Hence the end of fertility clinics in red states.

Can my kids inherit them in another state and then dispose? How can we have life beginning at one time and one state but at another time in another?......

If possible, do not do any human reproducing in Gilead states.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish I could post this in the thread about Rob Reiner’s documentary on Christian Nationalism but it got locked. This is language in a real court ruling in America.

The Catholic Church strongly opposes IVF.

The Catholic Church? I lost all respect for the CC during the HIV/AIDS epidemic when they opposed condom use (because they oppose contraception except for the rhythm method) and promoted "chastity." Never mind, how they protected pedophile priests...

The twin cruelties of denying birth control and their child raping road show is why I despise the Catholic Church, add to that their worsening the HIV/AIDS crisis and their political action and they’re even worse.

I guess denying IVF is why they need to have more White babies for the pipeline or whatever the Handmaiden said.

The Church’s teaching on the immorality of IVF is based upon God ordained natural law. Chastity outside of marriage between a man and a woman has always been part of the Catechism. The Catholic Church is furthermore growing fastest in Subsaharan Africa so it has nothing to do with white babies (the Church is shrinking fastest in Western Europe and North America. The next Pope may very well be a black African.
Oh, and there’s a very special place in Hell for child raping priests.

Folks that do not believe in IVF should not get IVF treatment. Other people were given an amazing IVF treatment by their God to allow them to have a family and it does nto concern you in any way.

I have one vote just like you do. My vote is determined by my conscience formed by the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

I am catholic and I have a children conceived by IVF. God told me to do it and was right.

NP
You chose to go against the teachings of the church. You have the right to make that choice, but that choice makes you NOT a practicing Catholic.

I turn down the greatest gift god has given me and THAT makes me a Catholic. I don't think so.

If you believe god has given you that gift, that is your option. Others believe in science.

I believe in science. My argument is that for every religious person telling me that IVF is forbidden by this or that church there is a flip argument that IVF is encouraged by this or that church.

In my opinion reproductive decisions are private and personal. No one has to treat infertility with IVF but no one should be denied that treatment if they believe that it is the right decision for their situation.

"This chruch or that church" perhaps, but NOT the Catholic church.

We need to agree to disagree. I would urge people to get infertility treated if they can. And vote to ensure important medical treatments are not outlawed in Alabama or anywhere else.

No. It is a fact, not an opinion, that the Catholic church does not encourage IVF.

Are you infertile?

My fertility is irrelevant. I am not stating my feelings about IVF. I am stating the Catholic church’s position on IVF.
If you pursue IVF you are not a practicing Catholic. Just like if you eat meat you are not a vegetarian.

I’ll tell that to the Catholic women I know who have had IVF, not to mention the ones I know who have had abortions.

Just out of curiosity, do pedo priests still remain Catholics? What about the church officials who aid and abet them?

You'll tell that to the WOMEN (not CATHOLIC women) that do things that are contrary to the Catholic church's teachings--which they have every right to do, since they are NOT practicing Catholics.

And Yes, anyone that sexually abuses children is also not a practicing Catholic.

By your rigid standards, there won't be many "practicing" (aka real) Catholics left. Glad they have you to keep them in line.

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Anonymous wrote:So if I stop paying for storage is it murder for the IVF company to dispose of them?
What if I die? Do my kids inherit the embryos and have to pay for storage? Can you even inherit people?

in the case in question, the fertility clinic had a policy that all clients agree to in writing in their contract (which includes the plaintiffs) that after 5 years of storage the embryos can be destroyed.

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Anonymous wrote:So if I stop paying for storage is it murder for the IVF company to dispose of them?
What if I die? Do my kids inherit the embryos and have to pay for storage? Can you even inherit people?

in the case in question, the fertility clinic had a policy that all clients agree to in writing in their contract (which includes the plaintiffs) that after 5 years of storage the embryos can be destroyed.

Which now according to deranged red states is a policy of "murder"

[Anonymous]

Here is a quote in an NBC article from an Alabama couple that needs genetic testing of the embryos to ensure a pregnancy can be carried to term, (she has miscarried 3 times already).

Alabama's legal landscape has made the Goidels reconsider whether they want to raise kids there.

“We’re this very traditional family that just wants to have a kid, so I didn’t realize ever that this was going to be a question of morality,” Goidel said.

“We really envisioned starting a life here and probably retiring here,” she added. “We’re very much questioning whether or not we want to leave.”

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a quote in an NBC article from an Alabama couple that needs genetic testing of the embryos to ensure a pregnancy can be carried to term, (she has miscarried 3 times already).

Alabama's legal landscape has made the Goidels reconsider whether they want to raise kids there.

“We’re this very traditional family that just wants to have a kid, so I didn’t realize ever that this was going to be a question of morality,” Goidel said.

“We really envisioned starting a life here and probably retiring here,” she added. “We’re very much questioning whether or not we want to leave.”

I bet they voted R, and probably Trump, because.. taxes and them illegals.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a quote in an NBC article from an Alabama couple that needs genetic testing of the embryos to ensure a pregnancy can be carried to term, (she has miscarried 3 times already).

Alabama's legal landscape has made the Goidels reconsider whether they want to raise kids there.

“We’re this very traditional family that just wants to have a kid, so I didn’t realize ever that this was going to be a question of morality,” Goidel said.

“We really envisioned starting a life here and probably retiring here,” she added. “We’re very much questioning whether or not we want to leave.”

You have to wonder if these people voted for this by supporting trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a quote in an NBC article from an Alabama couple that needs genetic testing of the embryos to ensure a pregnancy can be carried to term, (she has miscarried 3 times already).

Alabama's legal landscape has made the Goidels reconsider whether they want to raise kids there.

“We’re this very traditional family that just wants to have a kid, so I didn’t realize ever that this was going to be a question of morality,” Goidel said.

“We really envisioned starting a life here and probably retiring here,” she added. “We’re very much questioning whether or not we want to leave.”

I bet they voted R, and probably Trump, because.. taxes and them illegals.

And forced birth, ignorant of the obvious fact that the flip side of needing to terminate a pregnancy is needing help achieving a pregnancy. Just keep the govt out of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a quote in an NBC article from an Alabama couple that needs genetic testing of the embryos to ensure a pregnancy can be carried to term, (she has miscarried 3 times already).

Alabama's legal landscape has made the Goidels reconsider whether they want to raise kids there.

“We’re this very traditional family that just wants to have a kid, so I didn’t realize ever that this was going to be a question of morality,” Goidel said.

“We really envisioned starting a life here and probably retiring here,” she added. “We’re very much questioning whether or not we want to leave.”

Sounds like this particular couple wants to do PGD-IVF which I did for a genetic disorder. I don’t see how PGD-IVF can continue under Alabama law because the entire process of PGD involves removing one of the cells at day 3, testing the removed cells, and on day 5 deciding which embryos tested negative to implant and destroying all the ones that tested positive for whatever you’re doing PGD for.

[Anonymous]

Infertility is a common and devastating diagnosis, but there are successful treatments available. The GOP is going stand for denying patients this critical medical treatment? Shame shame shame on them.