Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?

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Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.

Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.

Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.

What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.

You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.

I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.

-dp

Now you’re criticizing Florida “the Sunshine State” for weather? LOL Never stop DCUM

no, I've always felt that way.

-former Californian

What does your weather preference have to do with anything?

my kids feel the same way about the weather.

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Anonymous wrote:Never a hard admit. Now easier. Most intelligent kids prefer to go to schools in states where alternative facts are shunned and true science and reason reign.

I know someone who is very impressed with herself. Too bad nobody else is impressed.

I’m not impressed. But, compared to top VA Colleges and UMD College Park, FL is, in fact, not a hard admit.

You do realize that Florida is a top 10 school unlike UMD. Florida is running in the ranks of Michigan and UNC. UMD could never. Florida is also higher ranked than any other college in Virginia other than UVA. Where do you people get this stuff? You just spew lies and try to get everyone to believe it when the facts are very clear to anyone who does any research. Wishful babbling, I guess.

No. I have never seen Florida listed as T10.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

It was discussed in this board ad nauseam.

Top 10 public is different from T10, however much you might wish otherwise. PP said T10. Of course, alternative facts are a way of life for MAGA, so not shocked PP conveniently dropped the “public”.

Also, FL only shot up when academic quality metrics were removed from rankings and DEI was emphasized. Which is ironic. Does the conformance to the new USNWR metric mean U FL is WOKE?

It’s funny because you’re the one spewing alternative facts. Florida was rated no. 5 public school in 2022 US News rankings. US News put in the DEI metrics in 2023. Florida dropped to no. 6 public school in the 2023 rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.

This.

Medical school students or any science field for that matter better be very prepared to not get in if coming from a Floria undergrad.

UF is one of the top undergraduate public universities. It is academically significantly better than the other southern schools you mention such as NC State, Clemson etc. Stop making up complete lies. The percentage of students getting into medical school from UF is great. It’s clear you have no idea what you are talking about. If anything, UF undergrad interest increases.

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It’s sounds like some posters are just jealous of all the success UF has obtained. Go Gators!

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t want my kid to have classmates in college who have gone through the FL public k-12 system. Sounds like a nightmare! I am sure many FL high school grads are well rounded due to parents putting in the effort, but how many will talk about slave owners being kind to their enslaved people? Hard pass!

Those kids won’t even have access to dictionaries or encyclopedias in school by the time DeSantis is done dismantling Florida’s public education system. Sad state of affairs.

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Anonymous wrote:ONE governor is standing up to the Leftist drivel many professors spew, & you people are acting like the sky is falling. You know your view are fragile & will be exposed as ridiculous if students are exposed to opposing ideas.

The “leftist drivel” is academic freedom. It affects all types of folk, including STEM research profs. UF had done such a great job in attracting STEM talent and upping their research capabilities. That is all being threatened right now.

If “academic freedom” results in an intolerant intellectual monoculture, then we need less of it not more. STEM is being negatively affected by the encroachment of woke garbage not by the efforts to keep it in check.

You do not know what you are talking about. Most STEM professors in this country come from elite grad schools. Florida has been doing an amazing job recruiting them to Florida. Many of these profs are now looking to jump and take their lab with them. I know several who are looking. You may not see it yet but UF research will take a hit until they stabilize. I really hope DeSantis backs off and maintains the independence of the Board of Regents.

Yup. That’s also what I’ve heard. It’s such an incredible shame. I don’t think it’s too late to recover but a few more years like this will really set them back. When the STEM folks are fleeing because of politics you know it’s bad.

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Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.

Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.

Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.

What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.

You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.

I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.

-dp

Now you’re criticizing Florida “the Sunshine State” for weather? LOL Never stop DCUM

no, I've always felt that way.

-former Californian

What does your weather preference have to do with anything?

my kids feel the same way about the weather.

Thank you for adding this completely irrelevant and obvious information on page 10. Really adds to the discussion!

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Anonymous wrote:ONE governor is standing up to the Leftist drivel many professors spew, & you people are acting like the sky is falling. You know your view are fragile & will be exposed as ridiculous if students are exposed to opposing ideas.

The “leftist drivel” is academic freedom. It affects all types of folk, including STEM research profs. UF had done such a great job in attracting STEM talent and upping their research capabilities. That is all being threatened right now.

It’s a little rich to see someone presumably from the left championing academic freedom. That is a value the left has gleefully left behind.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s sounds like some posters are just jealous of all the success UF has obtained. Go Gators!

Given the size of FL, I would expect it to have more well regarded colleges than just this one. Even TX has a couple of well regarded universities.

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Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.

Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.

Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.

What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.

You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.

I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.

-dp

Now you’re criticizing Florida “the Sunshine State” for weather? LOL Never stop DCUM

no, I've always felt that way.

-former Californian

What does your weather preference have to do with anything?

my kids feel the same way about the weather.

Thank you for adding this completely irrelevant and obvious information on page 10. Really adds to the discussion!

"Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state? " -- my kids are avoiding the state, in part due to the weather.

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Anonymous wrote:ONE governor is standing up to the Leftist drivel many professors spew, & you people are acting like the sky is falling. You know your view are fragile & will be exposed as ridiculous if students are exposed to opposing ideas.

The “leftist drivel” is academic freedom. It affects all types of folk, including STEM research profs. UF had done such a great job in attracting STEM talent and upping their research capabilities. That is all being threatened right now.

It’s a little rich to see someone presumably from the left championing academic freedom. That is a value the left has gleefully left behind.

“Academic freedom” is when you can say whatever you want so long as it is 100% congruent with today’s progressive dogma. 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.

How can DeSantis control policy, classes and tenure at a private university like Miami?

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He can’t. But let’s not let facts interfere with fear mongering.

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Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.

Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.

Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.

What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.

You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.

I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.

-dp

Now you’re criticizing Florida “the Sunshine State” for weather? LOL Never stop DCUM

no, I've always felt that way.

-former Californian

What does your weather preference have to do with anything?

my kids feel the same way about the weather.

Thank you for adding this completely irrelevant and obvious information on page 10. Really adds to the discussion!

"Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state? " -- my kids are avoiding the state, in part due to the weather.

The weather in Florida has been relatively stable for many years. It’s not had any influence on changing admissions the past couple years or any tie to being liberal or not. Completely irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:He can’t. But let’s not let facts interfere with fear mongering.

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