Does your student like/love UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:It's really strange to see expression of school spirit or pride as a negative. It's evidence of a good community. It's a good thing when alumni love their college. It's a good thing when the school's network is strong. It's not "cocky" to be proud of your college. It's a pretty normal thing...unless you went to a school that didn't have much school spirit.

UVA grads (and Tech grades, for that matter) are a lot like grads from where I went to school. Super proud, wear the school gear, get together for watch parties, hope our kids consider it when their time comes, etc.

I totally agree with this. I went to Texas and exchange (Hook E'm) hand signs almost daily with others in DC that are wearing the gear. Make no mistake, UVA is a great school. It just does not have any cache out of the DMV area. It's sports are mediocre at best and while the school is ranked highly as public university, there are many public universities that have higher ranked majors in close distance to the DMV. Wisconsin, Michigan and Purdue to name a few.

All UVA boosters, be proud of your school - as you should be. I just find it ridiculous to shout down others that went to a different school.

I agree that UVA is better known and valued here in the DMV, which is pretty typical for the vast majority of colleges and universities, but to say it has no cache outside of the DMV is absurd. There were 41,377 OOS applicants for the current freshmen class.

Yeah, I love posts like that. So disconnected with reality. Reminds me of WC Fields: “nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.“

Yogi Berra?

Yes! My bad.

Regardless, it’s pretty funny how tens of thousands of top students from all over the country who are also shooting for the Ivies, Duke, Stanford and other top privates routinely include UVA on their list every year, yet the school has no “cache out of the DMV?” Preposterous.

It’s the safety/fallback.

Yea, well, maybe, but they’re still looking at it - and not looking at UMD for example.

DP here. VA students routinely use UVA as a safety. Why is that a surprise?

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Anonymous wrote:It's really strange to see expression of school spirit or pride as a negative. It's evidence of a good community. It's a good thing when alumni love their college. It's a good thing when the school's network is strong. It's not "cocky" to be proud of your college. It's a pretty normal thing...unless you went to a school that didn't have much school spirit.

UVA grads (and Tech grades, for that matter) are a lot like grads from where I went to school. Super proud, wear the school gear, get together for watch parties, hope our kids consider it when their time comes, etc.

I totally agree with this. I went to Texas and exchange (Hook E'm) hand signs almost daily with others in DC that are wearing the gear. Make no mistake, UVA is a great school. It just does not have any cache out of the DMV area. It's sports are mediocre at best and while the school is ranked highly as public university, there are many public universities that have higher ranked majors in close distance to the DMV. Wisconsin, Michigan and Purdue to name a few.

All UVA boosters, be proud of your school - as you should be. I just find it ridiculous to shout down others that went to a different school.

I agree that UVA is better known and valued here in the DMV, which is pretty typical for the vast majority of colleges and universities, but to say it has no cache outside of the DMV is absurd. There were 41,377 OOS applicants for the current freshmen class.

Yeah, I love posts like that. So disconnected with reality. Reminds me of WC Fields: “nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.“

Yogi Berra?

Yes! My bad.

Regardless, it’s pretty funny how tens of thousands of top students from all over the country who are also shooting for the Ivies, Duke, Stanford and other top privates routinely include UVA on their list every year, yet the school has no “cache out of the DMV?” Preposterous.

It’s the safety/fallback.

Yea, well, maybe, but they’re still looking at it - and not looking at UMD for example.

DP here. VA students routinely use UVA as a safety. Why is that a surprise?

Routinely? Maybe the top .01%. You must live in a bubble. Good for you. Down here, in the trenches, admission to UVA is never a given, much the contrary. I am not saying UVA is the BEST school, but many parents seem to be quite disappointed when their kids do not get in. We were jumping with joy when our kid got in, and grateful for the in-state tuition, which is still a lot for our family.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks so much for the under-one-roof-level insights on UVa and W&M - my kid may ED one or the other!

+1. Thanks so much for sharing that experience! This type of post is what keeps me on DCUM when so much of it has become uninformed trolly posts.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in northern Virginia and none of my kids have gotten into UVA. I would LOVE for them to attend nearly for the price tag. Currently paying out of state tuition for 3 kids at $80k+ each. I get the jealousy on her and readily admit I am crazy jealous

Truth. Finally.

Translated: Finally someone says something that aligns with my beliefs.
Maybe, just maybe, there are multiple truths and perspectives.

Back to OP--I have a senior at UVA and one who recently graduated from W&M--both in similar majors (international relations/government/public policy). We recently had a deep dive into their experiences of the two schools because their younger sister is now a junior in HS and thinking about where to apply.

To answer your question--my senior DS has been generally very happy with UVA. "Loves" would be too strong a word--he has loved many aspects of his experience/friends, but he has a few critiques of the school. My W&M grad more unequivocally loves his school. Some of his friends were surprised that my eldest DS chose W&M over UVA because he seems the "work hard/play hard" type rather than purely intellectual, but he fell in love with W&M when he visited and has stayed that way (though of course he has a few critiques too).

Each school was the first choice for each kid and both had stats to get into either. Both kids agree the rigor at W&M seemed a little higher: tougher feedback--and much more detailed-- on papers, more reading/writing and requirements to really use reading in papers in accurate ways. (They actively compared classes--and both thought both schools were challenging enough--and neither pointlessly hard). Comparing the feedback that my eldest kid got with what he got made my younger kid feel that a few of his profs were just "phoning it in." But both had great relationships with several of their professors and worked on research projects. W&M kid had more direct work with a professor, UVA kid more populated research team.

Both were/are involved in Greek life (not our preference, but they wanted it and used their own money for social dues). They both had a fairly fun, social experience and partied. But my W&M kid said the average Friday/Saturday night at W&M was more like any weeknight at UVA (they both would visit each other occasionally) while the weekends at UVA were much wilder. But both kids also liked having the option of the more "kickback" (their word) social style at W&M. They alternated visiting each other depending on their obligations and mood. Neither of my kids would choose a school for sports, but both found UVA sports unsurprisingly a lot more fun than at W&M. The W&M grad has a great job he loves and the UVA senior has some good prospects. In retrospect, I think either would have had a good time and a great education at either.

W&M is much more rigorous. I’ve had kids at both. The demands academically were much greater.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in northern Virginia and none of my kids have gotten into UVA. I would LOVE for them to attend nearly for the price tag. Currently paying out of state tuition for 3 kids at $80k+ each. I get the jealousy on her and readily admit I am crazy jealous

Truth. Finally.

Translated: Finally someone says something that aligns with my beliefs.
Maybe, just maybe, there are multiple truths and perspectives.

Back to OP--I have a senior at UVA and one who recently graduated from W&M--both in similar majors (international relations/government/public policy). We recently had a deep dive into their experiences of the two schools because their younger sister is now a junior in HS and thinking about where to apply.

To answer your question--my senior DS has been generally very happy with UVA. "Loves" would be too strong a word--he has loved many aspects of his experience/friends, but he has a few critiques of the school. My W&M grad more unequivocally loves his school. Some of his friends were surprised that my eldest DS chose W&M over UVA because he seems the "work hard/play hard" type rather than purely intellectual, but he fell in love with W&M when he visited and has stayed that way (though of course he has a few critiques too).

Each school was the first choice for each kid and both had stats to get into either. Both kids agree the rigor at W&M seemed a little higher: tougher feedback--and much more detailed-- on papers, more reading/writing and requirements to really use reading in papers in accurate ways. (They actively compared classes--and both thought both schools were challenging enough--and neither pointlessly hard). Comparing the feedback that my eldest kid got with what he got made my younger kid feel that a few of his profs were just "phoning it in." But both had great relationships with several of their professors and worked on research projects. W&M kid had more direct work with a professor, UVA kid more populated research team.

Both were/are involved in Greek life (not our preference, but they wanted it and used their own money for social dues). They both had a fairly fun, social experience and partied. But my W&M kid said the average Friday/Saturday night at W&M was more like any weeknight at UVA (they both would visit each other occasionally) while the weekends at UVA were much wilder. But both kids also liked having the option of the more "kickback" (their word) social style at W&M. They alternated visiting each other depending on their obligations and mood. Neither of my kids would choose a school for sports, but both found UVA sports unsurprisingly a lot more fun than at W&M. The W&M grad has a great job he loves and the UVA senior has some good prospects. In retrospect, I think either would have had a good time and a great education at either.

W&M is much more rigorous. I’ve had kids at both. The demands academically were much greater.

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That is the impression that I am given. PP, did both of your children get accepted at both WM and UVA? I am asking because I have never heard of that happening (from a decent representative sample).

My W&M kid was accepted at both--I think when he applied UVA had early action only not early decision. So he did early action UVA and RD W&M (or something like that) and then had to decide. My UVA kid did not want to go to school where his older brother was at and applied only to UVA -I think early decision, but maybe it was early action? I'm just guessing he would have gotten in at W&M though also since UVA is generally a harder admit and the naviance at his school showed only green checks where his scores were at. I think now that ED is even more firmly established at both schools, people choose which school is their ED so it's less common to have people get accepted at both--they choose one to ED and then if they don't get in, go for the other.

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Back in the day I had two daughters accepted at UVA but both were only waitlisted at W&M. It was fine because UVA was the first choice for both so whatever.

Also, I laugh at the implication that W&M is better because it either is or is perceived to be more “rigorous” (god I hate that word, which is so overused on DCUM). Even if it is, that’s not necessarily a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really strange to see expression of school spirit or pride as a negative. It's evidence of a good community. It's a good thing when alumni love their college. It's a good thing when the school's network is strong. It's not "cocky" to be proud of your college. It's a pretty normal thing...unless you went to a school that didn't have much school spirit.

UVA grads (and Tech grades, for that matter) are a lot like grads from where I went to school. Super proud, wear the school gear, get together for watch parties, hope our kids consider it when their time comes, etc.

I totally agree with this. I went to Texas and exchange (Hook E'm) hand signs almost daily with others in DC that are wearing the gear. Make no mistake, UVA is a great school. It just does not have any cache out of the DMV area. It's sports are mediocre at best and while the school is ranked highly as public university, there are many public universities that have higher ranked majors in close distance to the DMV. Wisconsin, Michigan and Purdue to name a few.

All UVA boosters, be proud of your school - as you should be. I just find it ridiculous to shout down others that went to a different school.

I agree that UVA is better known and valued here in the DMV, which is pretty typical for the vast majority of colleges and universities, but to say it has no cache outside of the DMV is absurd. There were 41,377 OOS applicants for the current freshmen class.

Yeah, I love posts like that. So disconnected with reality. Reminds me of WC Fields: “nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.“

Yogi Berra?

Yes! My bad.

Regardless, it’s pretty funny how tens of thousands of top students from all over the country who are also shooting for the Ivies, Duke, Stanford and other top privates routinely include UVA on their list every year, yet the school has no “cache out of the DMV?” Preposterous.

It’s the safety/fallback.

This board is pathological where UVA is concerned. I attended UNC OOS, had no interest in the school, and didn’t love the people I met when our pledge class visited the UVA chapter. Neither my kid nor any of his friends (as far as I know) applied.

BUT - it is undoubtedly a great school with a very strong alumni community. UVA grads can be a little tiresome in their pride in their alma mater, but so what - UNC fans are the same way, and UNC is a school that caps OOS admissions and treated academics for student athletes with utter contempt for many years (an incredible disservice to both the school’s reputation and the athletes). If tarheel alums can be proud, UVA alums have much more of a right to be.

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My daughter is a third year at UVA. Neither my husband or myself attended there (both went to other colleges not in VA). My daughter likes it just fine, but it's definitely not an ideal school for everyone. Academically, I think it's pretty challenging, but she went to an academically challenging private high school so she's handling the workload just fine. But, it is a tough place to socially adjust.
I do think it gets a lot of hate on here and other DC chat boards for a variety of reasons: maybe you've met someone who seems "too proud" of their UVA alumni status (although for me some of the nicest people I know went to UVA), maybe you're upset your kid didn't get in (I would have been perfectly fine with my daughter at a different school but some people do seem to be very bitter that UVA didn't take their kid), maybe you hate the colors navy and orange together.....
It's a great school at a great value to in-state residents (although we are very fortunate that we could afford to send our daughter anywhere in the country), but there are a lot of great schools. The best school is the one your child fits in best academically and socially.

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Anonymous wrote:Back in the day I had two daughters accepted at UVA but both were only waitlisted at W&M. It was fine because UVA was the first choice for both so whatever.

Also, I laugh at the implication that W&M is better because it either is or is perceived to be more “rigorous” (god I hate that word, which is so overused on DCUM). Even if it is, that’s not necessarily a good thing.

I'm the PP who wrote about my two kids at UVA and W&M. I wasn't claiming at all that W&M is "better" because the classes are more rigorous--just that my kids when comparing it found that to be the case in their personal experience (and other posters seemed to agree). I'm sure my eldest found the rigor frustrating at times because he had to do more work than his brother. I personally value having tough classes with supportive professors--as long as the toughness isn't pointless or arbitrary and is helping you build meaningful skills. But I can also see that it can get stressful when you have too many of those in one semester, so you need balance too. And sometimes it was frustrating for my W&M kid to have a class that he was taking outside of his major area to be one of the core requirements end up being a really killer workload. (One good thing to note about W&M, is that while they are tough graders, they will let you retroactively decide a couple of courses over your four years to be pass/fail if you bombed them--this helps them keep the standards high without totally killing everyone's GPA).

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Anonymous wrote:It's really strange to see expression of school spirit or pride as a negative. It's evidence of a good community. It's a good thing when alumni love their college. It's a good thing when the school's network is strong. It's not "cocky" to be proud of your college. It's a pretty normal thing...unless you went to a school that didn't have much school spirit.

UVA grads (and Tech grades, for that matter) are a lot like grads from where I went to school. Super proud, wear the school gear, get together for watch parties, hope our kids consider it when their time comes, etc.

I totally agree with this. I went to Texas and exchange (Hook E'm) hand signs almost daily with others in DC that are wearing the gear. Make no mistake, UVA is a great school. It just does not have any cache out of the DMV area. It's sports are mediocre at best and while the school is ranked highly as public university, there are many public universities that have higher ranked majors in close distance to the DMV. Wisconsin, Michigan and Purdue to name a few.

All UVA boosters, be proud of your school - as you should be. I just find it ridiculous to shout down others that went to a different school.

I agree that UVA is better known and valued here in the DMV, which is pretty typical for the vast majority of colleges and universities, but to say it has no cache outside of the DMV is absurd. There were 41,377 OOS applicants for the current freshmen class.

Yeah, I love posts like that. So disconnected with reality. Reminds me of WC Fields: “nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.“

Yogi Berra?

Yes! My bad.

Regardless, it’s pretty funny how tens of thousands of top students from all over the country who are also shooting for the Ivies, Duke, Stanford and other top privates routinely include UVA on their list every year, yet the school has no “cache out of the DMV?” Preposterous.

It’s the safety/fallback.

Yea, well, maybe, but they’re still looking at it - and not looking at UMD for example.

DP here. VA students routinely use UVA as a safety. Why is that a surprise?

Maybe a tiny percentage of students once did (who are opting for Ivies or top SLACs) but that certainly isn't the case anymore. It's now a very tough admit.

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Anonymous wrote:I think my kids would have loved UVA, but they didn’t get in. Yes, I am bitter. We have paid Virginia taxes for 30 years and our kids were in range. Ended up at similarly ranked private universities. Before people start going on about W&M and VT, they aren’t equivalent or comparable in experience or prestige. Really wish UVA would expand the size of the school.

I’ve never really understood this way of thinking. Paying taxes doesn’t entitle you to entry to one specific school.

I did not mean I thought we had a right to entry. I just was noting that we have paid taxes that support the state universities and would have loved to get the benefit of reduced tuition. Instead we are paying $84,000 a year tuition for each kid.

That was a choice, though. They could have gone to a dozen other public schools in Virginia and paid in-state tuition.

No school charges 84k for tuition

Whoa. you are clearly new to college admissions. Many passed $90K last year (USC is $92). My own mid-level slac is now $86K and definitely not worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really strange to see expression of school spirit or pride as a negative. It's evidence of a good community. It's a good thing when alumni love their college. It's a good thing when the school's network is strong. It's not "cocky" to be proud of your college. It's a pretty normal thing...unless you went to a school that didn't have much school spirit.

UVA grads (and Tech grades, for that matter) are a lot like grads from where I went to school. Super proud, wear the school gear, get together for watch parties, hope our kids consider it when their time comes, etc.

I totally agree with this. I went to Texas and exchange (Hook E'm) hand signs almost daily with others in DC that are wearing the gear. Make no mistake, UVA is a great school. It just does not have any cache out of the DMV area. It's sports are mediocre at best and while the school is ranked highly as public university, there are many public universities that have higher ranked majors in close distance to the DMV. Wisconsin, Michigan and Purdue to name a few.

All UVA boosters, be proud of your school - as you should be. I just find it ridiculous to shout down others that went to a different school.

I agree that UVA is better known and valued here in the DMV, which is pretty typical for the vast majority of colleges and universities, but to say it has no cache outside of the DMV is absurd. There were 41,377 OOS applicants for the current freshmen class.

Yeah, I love posts like that. So disconnected with reality. Reminds me of WC Fields: “nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.“

Yogi Berra?

Yes! My bad.

Regardless, it’s pretty funny how tens of thousands of top students from all over the country who are also shooting for the Ivies, Duke, Stanford and other top privates routinely include UVA on their list every year, yet the school has no “cache out of the DMV?” Preposterous.

It’s the safety/fallback.

Yea, well, maybe, but they’re still looking at it - and not looking at UMD for example.

DP here. VA students routinely use UVA as a safety. Why is that a surprise?

Routinely? Maybe the top .01%. You must live in a bubble. Good for you. Down here, in the trenches, admission to UVA is never a given, much the contrary. I am not saying UVA is the BEST school, but many parents seem to be quite disappointed when their kids do not get in. We were jumping with joy when our kid got in, and grateful for the in-state tuition, which is still a lot for our family. [/quote


+1. We were thrilled. Cost was in-state, which meant a lot to us. DS worked his butt off. I think W&M used to have a reputation for being more academic or rigorous but now that UVA has surpassed it in admissions stats., I think the competition is fierce there based upon DS's experience. DS wasn't into the greek scene but found his own people in the 900 clubs that UVA has. Overall, just a great experience.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really strange to see expression of school spirit or pride as a negative. It's evidence of a good community. It's a good thing when alumni love their college. It's a good thing when the school's network is strong. It's not "cocky" to be proud of your college. It's a pretty normal thing...unless you went to a school that didn't have much school spirit.

UVA grads (and Tech grades, for that matter) are a lot like grads from where I went to school. Super proud, wear the school gear, get together for watch parties, hope our kids consider it when their time comes, etc.

I totally agree with this. I went to Texas and exchange (Hook E'm) hand signs almost daily with others in DC that are wearing the gear. Make no mistake, UVA is a great school. It just does not have any cache out of the DMV area. It's sports are mediocre at best and while the school is ranked highly as public university, there are many public universities that have higher ranked majors in close distance to the DMV. Wisconsin, Michigan and Purdue to name a few.

All UVA boosters, be proud of your school - as you should be. I just find it ridiculous to shout down others that went to a different school.

I agree that UVA is better known and valued here in the DMV, which is pretty typical for the vast majority of colleges and universities, but to say it has no cache outside of the DMV is absurd. There were 41,377 OOS applicants for the current freshmen class.

Yeah, I love posts like that. So disconnected with reality. Reminds me of WC Fields: “nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.“

Yogi Berra?

Yes! My bad.

Regardless, it’s pretty funny how tens of thousands of top students from all over the country who are also shooting for the Ivies, Duke, Stanford and other top privates routinely include UVA on their list every year, yet the school has no “cache out of the DMV?” Preposterous.

It’s the safety/fallback.

This board is pathological where UVA is concerned. I attended UNC OOS, had no interest in the school, and didn’t love the people I met when our pledge class visited the UVA chapter. Neither my kid nor any of his friends (as far as I know) applied.

BUT - it is undoubtedly a great school with a very strong alumni community. UVA grads can be a little tiresome in their pride in their alma mater, but so what - UNC fans are the same way, and UNC is a school that caps OOS admissions and treated academics for student athletes with utter contempt for many years (an incredible disservice to both the school’s reputation and the athletes). If tarheel alums can be proud, UVA alums have much more of a right to be.

UVa is a safety for good students.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really strange to see expression of school spirit or pride as a negative. It's evidence of a good community. It's a good thing when alumni love their college. It's a good thing when the school's network is strong. It's not "cocky" to be proud of your college. It's a pretty normal thing...unless you went to a school that didn't have much school spirit.

UVA grads (and Tech grades, for that matter) are a lot like grads from where I went to school. Super proud, wear the school gear, get together for watch parties, hope our kids consider it when their time comes, etc.

I totally agree with this. I went to Texas and exchange (Hook E'm) hand signs almost daily with others in DC that are wearing the gear. Make no mistake, UVA is a great school. It just does not have any cache out of the DMV area. It's sports are mediocre at best and while the school is ranked highly as public university, there are many public universities that have higher ranked majors in close distance to the DMV. Wisconsin, Michigan and Purdue to name a few.

All UVA boosters, be proud of your school - as you should be. I just find it ridiculous to shout down others that went to a different school.

I agree that UVA is better known and valued here in the DMV, which is pretty typical for the vast majority of colleges and universities, but to say it has no cache outside of the DMV is absurd. There were 41,377 OOS applicants for the current freshmen class.

Yeah, I love posts like that. So disconnected with reality. Reminds me of WC Fields: “nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.“

Yogi Berra?

Yes! My bad.

Regardless, it’s pretty funny how tens of thousands of top students from all over the country who are also shooting for the Ivies, Duke, Stanford and other top privates routinely include UVA on their list every year, yet the school has no “cache out of the DMV?” Preposterous.

It’s the safety/fallback.

This board is pathological where UVA is concerned. I attended UNC OOS, had no interest in the school, and didn’t love the people I met when our pledge class visited the UVA chapter. Neither my kid nor any of his friends (as far as I know) applied.

BUT - it is undoubtedly a great school with a very strong alumni community. UVA grads can be a little tiresome in their pride in their alma mater, but so what - UNC fans are the same way, and UNC is a school that caps OOS admissions and treated academics for student athletes with utter contempt for many years (an incredible disservice to both the school’s reputation and the athletes). If tarheel alums can be proud, UVA alums have much more of a right to be.

because it can mean a savings of $50K+ a year if you comparing to SLACs at $92K. For in-state parents, it's like winning a financial lottery of sorts. UVA College of Arts & Sciences, all-in, is $37K. We were facing that so thrilled when DC got in. We invested the difference and can now afford grad school/law school for DC.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really strange to see expression of school spirit or pride as a negative. It's evidence of a good community. It's a good thing when alumni love their college. It's a good thing when the school's network is strong. It's not "cocky" to be proud of your college. It's a pretty normal thing...unless you went to a school that didn't have much school spirit.

UVA grads (and Tech grades, for that matter) are a lot like grads from where I went to school. Super proud, wear the school gear, get together for watch parties, hope our kids consider it when their time comes, etc.

I totally agree with this. I went to Texas and exchange (Hook E'm) hand signs almost daily with others in DC that are wearing the gear. Make no mistake, UVA is a great school. It just does not have any cache out of the DMV area. It's sports are mediocre at best and while the school is ranked highly as public university, there are many public universities that have higher ranked majors in close distance to the DMV. Wisconsin, Michigan and Purdue to name a few.

All UVA boosters, be proud of your school - as you should be. I just find it ridiculous to shout down others that went to a different school.

I agree that UVA is better known and valued here in the DMV, which is pretty typical for the vast majority of colleges and universities, but to say it has no cache outside of the DMV is absurd. There were 41,377 OOS applicants for the current freshmen class.

Yeah, I love posts like that. So disconnected with reality. Reminds me of WC Fields: “nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.“

Yogi Berra?

Yes! My bad.

Regardless, it’s pretty funny how tens of thousands of top students from all over the country who are also shooting for the Ivies, Duke, Stanford and other top privates routinely include UVA on their list every year, yet the school has no “cache out of the DMV?” Preposterous.

It’s the safety/fallback.

This board is pathological where UVA is concerned. I attended UNC OOS, had no interest in the school, and didn’t love the people I met when our pledge class visited the UVA chapter. Neither my kid nor any of his friends (as far as I know) applied.

BUT - it is undoubtedly a great school with a very strong alumni community. UVA grads can be a little tiresome in their pride in their alma mater, but so what - UNC fans are the same way, and UNC is a school that caps OOS admissions and treated academics for student athletes with utter contempt for many years (an incredible disservice to both the school’s reputation and the athletes). If tarheel alums can be proud, UVA alums have much more of a right to be.

UVa is a safety for good students.

Okay, troll. How do you define (quantitatively) "good students"?