Does your student like/love UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this addresses your question, but the UVA grads I know might be perfectly nice and/or capable, but any of that is overshadowed by their cockyness. I mean, it's not Harvard, or even close. I feel like grads from better schools seem far less cocky. This gives me a negative impression, YMMV.

Same. I was at a party recently with a 40ish yo UVA married couple who kept going on and one about UVA and Thomas Jefferson and blah blah blah. I kept nodding out of politeness and the wife asked how I know the hosts. I said I went to college with the wife. Oops the husband works with her so they know we went to HYP. They quickly stopped bragging. 20 years out….who cares?

And you think THEY’RE insufferable? Classic.

They are. I never mentioned my school name in the conversation. Once they knew I went to college with my friend, they stopped going on and on about how great UVA is.

You have no self-awareness. It’s really funny.

Ok, uva boosters gotta boost.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this addresses your question, but the UVA grads I know might be perfectly nice and/or capable, but any of that is overshadowed by their cockyness. I mean, it's not Harvard, or even close. I feel like grads from better schools seem far less cocky. This gives me a negative impression, YMMV.

Same. I was at a party recently with a 40ish yo UVA married couple who kept going on and one about UVA and Thomas Jefferson and blah blah blah. I kept nodding out of politeness and the wife asked how I know the hosts. I said I went to college with the wife. Oops the husband works with her so they know we went to HYP. They quickly stopped bragging. 20 years out….who cares?

Sounds like a couple I met recently who went to UVA. Couldn't stop talking about UVA.

I never hear adults talking about where they went to college. It doesn't usually come up. Now that my kids are in college/applying to college it only comes up in that context.

You need to socialize with a different crowd.

+1. I've never heard ANYONE in the DCUM area brag on or be cocky about UVA. Why? because it is filled with Ivy types like the PP above who slammed the alleged UVA bragger about going to HYP. No one would set themselves up that way. All of this stuff about cockiness is made up by bashers or VA Tech rivals. Or students who know there is no point in applying (like my DC) because they don't have the stats. Or kids who apply but don't get in. It's tiring. I live in Charlottesville and have never seen this. Many hard-working UVA kids have waited on my table or served me in stores. I have never seen cockyness

Maybe you got used to it living in Charlottsville. UVA grads act like they graduated from Harvard when they graduated from UVA.

Exactly

So it's okay for Harvard grads to act pretentiously?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this addresses your question, but the UVA grads I know might be perfectly nice and/or capable, but any of that is overshadowed by their cockyness. I mean, it's not Harvard, or even close. I feel like grads from better schools seem far less cocky. This gives me a negative impression, YMMV.

Same. I was at a party recently with a 40ish yo UVA married couple who kept going on and one about UVA and Thomas Jefferson and blah blah blah. I kept nodding out of politeness and the wife asked how I know the hosts. I said I went to college with the wife. Oops the husband works with her so they know we went to HYP. They quickly stopped bragging. 20 years out….who cares?

Sounds like a couple I met recently who went to UVA. Couldn't stop talking about UVA.

I never hear adults talking about where they went to college. It doesn't usually come up. Now that my kids are in college/applying to college it only comes up in that context.

You need to socialize with a different crowd.

+1. I've never heard ANYONE in the DCUM area brag on or be cocky about UVA. Why? because it is filled with Ivy types like the PP above who slammed the alleged UVA bragger about going to HYP. No one would set themselves up that way. All of this stuff about cockiness is made up by bashers or VA Tech rivals. Or students who know there is no point in applying (like my DC) because they don't have the stats. Or kids who apply but don't get in. It's tiring. I live in Charlottesville and have never seen this. Many hard-working UVA kids have waited on my table or served me in stores. I have never seen cockyness

Maybe you got used to it living in Charlottsville. UVA grads act like they graduated from Harvard when they graduated from UVA.

Exactly

So it's okay for Harvard grads to act pretentiously?

But Harvard grads do not act half as pretentious as UVA grads, that is the point!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this addresses your question, but the UVA grads I know might be perfectly nice and/or capable, but any of that is overshadowed by their cockyness. I mean, it's not Harvard, or even close. I feel like grads from better schools seem far less cocky. This gives me a negative impression, YMMV.

Same. I was at a party recently with a 40ish yo UVA married couple who kept going on and one about UVA and Thomas Jefferson and blah blah blah. I kept nodding out of politeness and the wife asked how I know the hosts. I said I went to college with the wife. Oops the husband works with her so they know we went to HYP. They quickly stopped bragging. 20 years out….who cares?

Sounds like a couple I met recently who went to UVA. Couldn't stop talking about UVA.

I never hear adults talking about where they went to college. It doesn't usually come up. Now that my kids are in college/applying to college it only comes up in that context.

You need to socialize with a different crowd.

+1. I've never heard ANYONE in the DCUM area brag on or be cocky about UVA. Why? because it is filled with Ivy types like the PP above who slammed the alleged UVA bragger about going to HYP. No one would set themselves up that way. All of this stuff about cockiness is made up by bashers or VA Tech rivals. Or students who know there is no point in applying (like my DC) because they don't have the stats. Or kids who apply but don't get in. It's tiring. I live in Charlottesville and have never seen this. Many hard-working UVA kids have waited on my table or served me in stores. I have never seen cockyness

Maybe you got used to it living in Charlottsville. UVA grads act like they graduated from Harvard when they graduated from UVA.

Exactly

So it's okay for Harvard grads to act pretentiously?

But Harvard grads do not act half as pretentious as UVA grads, that is the point!

You MUST be kidding

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Anonymous wrote:UVa has the highest graduation rate among public universities, at 91 percent, which may say something very significant about the relative happiness of students. Same as Duke and Georgetown. However, it cannot touch Notre Dame at 94 percent. Deal with that.

Gosh maybe that has to do with the fact that ND's diversity stats are abysmal. It's a school for rich catholic kids so, yes, it WOULD have a higher graduation weight just due to demographics. https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-notre-dame/student-life/diversity/. Meanwhile, UVA has the highest pell grant graduation rate of any school in the nation. "Deal with that".

"UVA has the highest graduation rate for Pell grant recipients of all major public universities in the country, according to a new Washington Post analysis."

Here again, soft majors are easier to graduate from in 4 years. Even Pell recipients graduate from those.

This is admittedly a generalization, but my view is UVA does not challenge its undergraduate students enough. This is both a weakness and part of its appeal. The appeal is it has decent prestige for the level of effort required to graduate in good standing. The weakness is many graduates don't grow or test themselves as much as they should and alumni achievement is not what it could be.

UVA was always known for its grade inflation back in the 90s. Is that still happening?

Exactly the opposite.

+1. Dean of students told me it’s grade deflation now

Iy's not a grade deflation. They just have a meh quality students except for few.

The 75th percentile of which last year had a 4.51; an ACT of 35 and/or a 1510, which means 25% had higher. Also 10-12 AP courses.

The prior posts were about the GPAs of undergraduates at UVA, not the high school GPA of matriculants. There has been significant grade inflation over time at both high schools and colleges in the U.S.

The college grade inflation is because there is more significant sorting of students in many colleges--there used to be wider variation in all the schools--now there are narrower ability bands in many selective colleges so harder to make distinctions between students--and seems to be unfair that A quality work in one school would be C quality work in another etc.

Anyway you slice it, there is a massive grade inflation in HS and colleges.

But we have no idea what that means because there is no benchmarking across schools or over time.

But there is. https://gradeinflation.com/

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Anonymous wrote:UVa has the highest graduation rate among public universities, at 91 percent, which may say something very significant about the relative happiness of students. Same as Duke and Georgetown. However, it cannot touch Notre Dame at 94 percent. Deal with that.

Gosh maybe that has to do with the fact that ND's diversity stats are abysmal. It's a school for rich catholic kids so, yes, it WOULD have a higher graduation weight just due to demographics. https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-notre-dame/student-life/diversity/. Meanwhile, UVA has the highest pell grant graduation rate of any school in the nation. "Deal with that".

"UVA has the highest graduation rate for Pell grant recipients of all major public universities in the country, according to a new Washington Post analysis."

Here again, soft majors are easier to graduate from in 4 years. Even Pell recipients graduate from those.

This is admittedly a generalization, but my view is UVA does not challenge its undergraduate students enough. This is both a weakness and part of its appeal. The appeal is it has decent prestige for the level of effort required to graduate in good standing. The weakness is many graduates don't grow or test themselves as much as they should and alumni achievement is not what it could be.

UVA was always known for its grade inflation back in the 90s. Is that still happening?

Exactly the opposite.

+1. Dean of students told me it’s grade deflation now

Iy's not a grade deflation. They just have a meh quality students except for few.

The 75th percentile of which last year had a 4.51; an ACT of 35 and/or a 1510, which means 25% had higher. Also 10-12 AP courses.

The prior posts were about the GPAs of undergraduates at UVA, not the high school GPA of matriculants. There has been significant grade inflation over time at both high schools and colleges in the U.S.

The college grade inflation is because there is more significant sorting of students in many colleges--there used to be wider variation in all the schools--now there are narrower ability bands in many selective colleges so harder to make distinctions between students--and seems to be unfair that A quality work in one school would be C quality work in another etc.

Anyway you slice it, there is a massive grade inflation in HS and colleges.

But we have no idea what that means because there is no benchmarking across schools or over time.

But there is. https://gradeinflation.com/

interesting. Less at Public Universities than others.

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Anonymous wrote:UVa has the highest graduation rate among public universities, at 91 percent, which may say something very significant about the relative happiness of students. Same as Duke and Georgetown. However, it cannot touch Notre Dame at 94 percent. Deal with that.

Gosh maybe that has to do with the fact that ND's diversity stats are abysmal. It's a school for rich catholic kids so, yes, it WOULD have a higher graduation weight just due to demographics. https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-notre-dame/student-life/diversity/. Meanwhile, UVA has the highest pell grant graduation rate of any school in the nation. "Deal with that".

"UVA has the highest graduation rate for Pell grant recipients of all major public universities in the country, according to a new Washington Post analysis."

Here again, soft majors are easier to graduate from in 4 years. Even Pell recipients graduate from those.

This is admittedly a generalization, but my view is UVA does not challenge its undergraduate students enough. This is both a weakness and part of its appeal. The appeal is it has decent prestige for the level of effort required to graduate in good standing. The weakness is many graduates don't grow or test themselves as much as they should and alumni achievement is not what it could be.

UVA was always known for its grade inflation back in the 90s. Is that still happening?

Exactly the opposite.

+1. Dean of students told me it’s grade deflation now

Iy's not a grade deflation. They just have a meh quality students except for few.

The 75th percentile of which last year had a 4.51; an ACT of 35 and/or a 1510, which means 25% had higher. Also 10-12 AP courses.

The prior posts were about the GPAs of undergraduates at UVA, not the high school GPA of matriculants. There has been significant grade inflation over time at both high schools and colleges in the U.S.

The PP is responding to the PPs allegation that UVA has "meh quality students". Pointing out the high high school gpa and stats would seem to directly respond to that

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this addresses your question, but the UVA grads I know might be perfectly nice and/or capable, but any of that is overshadowed by their cockyness. I mean, it's not Harvard, or even close. I feel like grads from better schools seem far less cocky. This gives me a negative impression, YMMV.

Same. I was at a party recently with a 40ish yo UVA married couple who kept going on and one about UVA and Thomas Jefferson and blah blah blah. I kept nodding out of politeness and the wife asked how I know the hosts. I said I went to college with the wife. Oops the husband works with her so they know we went to HYP. They quickly stopped bragging. 20 years out….who cares?

Sounds like a couple I met recently who went to UVA. Couldn't stop talking about UVA.

I never hear adults talking about where they went to college. It doesn't usually come up. Now that my kids are in college/applying to college it only comes up in that context.

You need to socialize with a different crowd.

+1. I've never heard ANYONE in the DCUM area brag on or be cocky about UVA. Why? because it is filled with Ivy types like the PP above who slammed the alleged UVA bragger about going to HYP. No one would set themselves up that way. All of this stuff about cockiness is made up by bashers or VA Tech rivals. Or students who know there is no point in applying (like my DC) because they don't have the stats. Or kids who apply but don't get in. It's tiring. I live in Charlottesville and have never seen this. Many hard-working UVA kids have waited on my table or served me in stores. I have never seen cockyness

Maybe you got used to it living in Charlottsville. UVA grads act like they graduated from Harvard when they graduated from UVA.

DP. Not true at all. THINK. How can 24,000 students (a year, including grad students) all be classified by a stereotype? It's an absurd allegation.

THIS. It's an absurd myth perpetuated by angry parents and students whose kids didn't get in, didn't even have the stats to apply, and taxpayers who are angry their kids aren't contenders for UVA - which is a comparatively small school next to UCLA, Berkeley and Michigan. I've never once heard anyone in the DC area brag on about UVA. That would be an extremely dangerous thing to do considering how overeducated DC types are. It just doesn't make sense except for envy.

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Anonymous wrote:UVa has the highest graduation rate among public universities, at 91 percent, which may say something very significant about the relative happiness of students. Same as Duke and Georgetown. However, it cannot touch Notre Dame at 94 percent. Deal with that.

Gosh maybe that has to do with the fact that ND's diversity stats are abysmal. It's a school for rich catholic kids so, yes, it WOULD have a higher graduation weight just due to demographics. https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-notre-dame/student-life/diversity/. Meanwhile, UVA has the highest pell grant graduation rate of any school in the nation. "Deal with that".

"UVA has the highest graduation rate for Pell grant recipients of all major public universities in the country, according to a new Washington Post analysis."

Here again, soft majors are easier to graduate from in 4 years. Even Pell recipients graduate from those.

This is admittedly a generalization, but my view is UVA does not challenge its undergraduate students enough. This is both a weakness and part of its appeal. The appeal is it has decent prestige for the level of effort required to graduate in good standing. The weakness is many graduates don't grow or test themselves as much as they should and alumni achievement is not what it could be.

UVA was always known for its grade inflation back in the 90s. Is that still happening?

Exactly the opposite.

+1. Dean of students told me it’s grade deflation now

Iy's not a grade deflation. They just have a meh quality students except for few.

The 75th percentile of which last year had a 4.51; an ACT of 35 and/or a 1510, which means 25% had higher. Also 10-12 AP courses.

That's an average for most HS kids these days unfortunately.

No. It absolutely is not the average.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine is about to apply ED but I keep reading negative things online- competitiveness, unhappiness, etc. I can’t figure out if that is bc people online are negative or it’s actually something to be concerned about.

My child is a play hard/work (somewhat) hard kind of person. Ok with (and likely interested in) Greek life, loves rah rah sports, and schools with spirit. Makes friends easily. Loves Cville and what they have seen of UVA.

Other schools on the list are either likelies/safeties and maybe one or two other reach schools.

OP, your kid sounds like one who will likely enjoy UVA.

There are kids who don’t love it, though, and it’s possible to say that without being a parent of a kid who didn’t get in. In fact, those knee jerk comments are pretty indicative of the obnoxious stereotype that PP’s have alluded to. UVA has embodied the “we’re not snobs, we’re just better than you” vibe for a long, long time, and though I think they’re consciously trying to undo some of that, reputations can be hard to shake off.

- UVA alum and current employee who had a meh time there, whose kids don’t even want to go there, so no beef

+ this. I am an alum with one kid there. The motto used be “THE UNIVERSITY” (saying it was the only one that matters in VA). Love the school but the “we are better than you” vibe is a real thing that was very much ingrained in school slogans for a long time. I don’t know why posters are trying to deny that.

Did they get rid of this? Good! I recall this from my time at UVA in grad school. I was not from Virginia and had gone to an undergrad ranked much higher than UVA. So when I saw The University shirts, etc I was just like, get over yourself.

That said, I married a UVA grad who is delightful and not cocky at all. Neither are his college friends. So this mentality didn't extend to all, but yeah, it was there.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine is about to apply ED but I keep reading negative things online- competitiveness, unhappiness, etc. I can’t figure out if that is bc people online are negative or it’s actually something to be concerned about.

My child is a play hard/work (somewhat) hard kind of person. Ok with (and likely interested in) Greek life, loves rah rah sports, and schools with spirit. Makes friends easily. Loves Cville and what they have seen of UVA.

Other schools on the list are either likelies/safeties and maybe one or two other reach schools.

OP, your kid sounds like one who will likely enjoy UVA.

There are kids who don’t love it, though, and it’s possible to say that without being a parent of a kid who didn’t get in. In fact, those knee jerk comments are pretty indicative of the obnoxious stereotype that PP’s have alluded to. UVA has embodied the “we’re not snobs, we’re just better than you” vibe for a long, long time, and though I think they’re consciously trying to undo some of that, reputations can be hard to shake off.

- UVA alum and current employee who had a meh time there, whose kids don’t even want to go there, so no beef

+ this. I am an alum with one kid there. The motto used be “THE UNIVERSITY” (saying it was the only one that matters in VA). Love the school but the “we are better than you” vibe is a real thing that was very much ingrained in school slogans for a long time. I don’t know why posters are trying to deny that.

A) no one says that. I have a kid there.
B) Maybe it was once called The University of VA because that is its name, just like The Harvard Law School. https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/establishment-university-virginia/
C) You didn't go there.

Ok so you have a kid there now but you clearly don't know much about the school. THE UNIVERSITY was definitely a thing, just like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this addresses your question, but the UVA grads I know might be perfectly nice and/or capable, but any of that is overshadowed by their cockyness. I mean, it's not Harvard, or even close. I feel like grads from better schools seem far less cocky. This gives me a negative impression, YMMV.

Same. I was at a party recently with a 40ish yo UVA married couple who kept going on and one about UVA and Thomas Jefferson and blah blah blah. I kept nodding out of politeness and the wife asked how I know the hosts. I said I went to college with the wife. Oops the husband works with her so they know we went to HYP. They quickly stopped bragging. 20 years out….who cares?

And you think THEY’RE insufferable? Classic.

They are. I never mentioned my school name in the conversation. Once they knew I went to college with my friend, they stopped going on and on about how great UVA is.

You have no self-awareness. It’s really funny.

and you sound jealous of the PP who went to HYP. And insecure because you did not.

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“The University” is a reference to the fact that the address of UVA used to be

The University
Virginia

People thought it was funny.

Do you rant about OSU people getting a kick out of saying THE Ohio State University? Relax. It’s a joke.

If you’re the person getting fired up over such a tiny thing, maybe take a second to consider why. This really shouldn’t affect you this way. It’s not normal.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this addresses your question, but the UVA grads I know might be perfectly nice and/or capable, but any of that is overshadowed by their cockyness. I mean, it's not Harvard, or even close. I feel like grads from better schools seem far less cocky. This gives me a negative impression, YMMV.

Same. I was at a party recently with a 40ish yo UVA married couple who kept going on and one about UVA and Thomas Jefferson and blah blah blah. I kept nodding out of politeness and the wife asked how I know the hosts. I said I went to college with the wife. Oops the husband works with her so they know we went to HYP. They quickly stopped bragging. 20 years out….who cares?

Sounds like a couple I met recently who went to UVA. Couldn't stop talking about UVA.

I never hear adults talking about where they went to college. It doesn't usually come up. Now that my kids are in college/applying to college it only comes up in that context.

You need to socialize with a different crowd.

+1. I've never heard ANYONE in the DCUM area brag on or be cocky about UVA. Why? because it is filled with Ivy types like the PP above who slammed the alleged UVA bragger about going to HYP. No one would set themselves up that way. All of this stuff about cockiness is made up by bashers or VA Tech rivals. Or students who know there is no point in applying (like my DC) because they don't have the stats. Or kids who apply but don't get in. It's tiring. I live in Charlottesville and have never seen this. Many hard-working UVA kids have waited on my table or served me in stores. I have never seen cockyness

Maybe you got used to it living in Charlottsville. UVA grads act like they graduated from Harvard when they graduated from UVA.

I have no connection with UVa.

UVa. is a fine school, and of course good UVa. grads are the equivalent of typical Harvard grads. They’re right and you’re a snob.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this addresses your question, but the UVA grads I know might be perfectly nice and/or capable, but any of that is overshadowed by their cockyness. I mean, it's not Harvard, or even close. I feel like grads from better schools seem far less cocky. This gives me a negative impression, YMMV.

Same. I was at a party recently with a 40ish yo UVA married couple who kept going on and one about UVA and Thomas Jefferson and blah blah blah. I kept nodding out of politeness and the wife asked how I know the hosts. I said I went to college with the wife. Oops the husband works with her so they know we went to HYP. They quickly stopped bragging. 20 years out….who cares?

Sounds like a couple I met recently who went to UVA. Couldn't stop talking about UVA.

I never hear adults talking about where they went to college. It doesn't usually come up. Now that my kids are in college/applying to college it only comes up in that context.

You need to socialize with a different crowd.

+1. I've never heard ANYONE in the DCUM area brag on or be cocky about UVA. Why? because it is filled with Ivy types like the PP above who slammed the alleged UVA bragger about going to HYP. No one would set themselves up that way. All of this stuff about cockiness is made up by bashers or VA Tech rivals. Or students who know there is no point in applying (like my DC) because they don't have the stats. Or kids who apply but don't get in. It's tiring. I live in Charlottesville and have never seen this. Many hard-working UVA kids have waited on my table or served me in stores. I have never seen cockyness

Maybe you got used to it living in Charlottsville. UVA grads act like they graduated from Harvard when they graduated from UVA.

Exactly

So it's okay for Harvard grads to act pretentiously?

Harvard grad acting like a Harvard grad is much better than Uva grad acting like a Harvard grad.