Uncomfortable truth: non-partiers wind up working for the partiers

[Anonymous]

Nine pages (so far) responding to an obvious troll post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nine pages (so far) responding to an obvious troll post.

To be fair, I don't think it was obvious until the pharma rep/management trainee update.

[Anonymous]

Pharma Rep Goals is pretty hilarious, though. #winning?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nine pages (so far) responding to an obvious troll post.

I tried to shut it down with a "nice post, don't agree, have a nice day" on the first page but DCUM cannot leave a troll post un-answered...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TL;DR: My kids aren't very intellectual, but they party a lot and are social climbers, and that's what I value.

+1

This is some sort of shameless plug about the "value" of the Greek system. No thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Awful post of the day. Thanks OP, needed that eyeroll.

+1. Thanks for the laugh, OP. Unless you have family money and are handing them your company, your “Greek” kids will be working for my smarter kids one day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Naive students and parents, usually middle class and below, disdain the Greek system and talk about how they don't want to participate. They claim they're more serious students and aren't into that scene.

What these people don't understand is that the Greek social scene actually trains you to operate in the business world. You learn the importance of socializing, sizing people up at a glance, social drinking, and how to present yourself so that you're accepted and click with the executive class. Most importantly, you learn that you need to be extroverted and to cultivate connections to succeed in your career.

The nose to the grindstone "strivers" don't learn these things. They think the real world is like the classroom, when in fact it's much like a fraternity social. They dress the wrong way, say the wrong things, and clumsily offer opinions that might be true but are socially awkward. So they get pigeonholed as drones. They don't get the promotions, and they don't get the hot spouses.

I've advised my kids to scout out the best Greek orgs, and they've turned out great. They're not brilliant intellectuals, but their superstars socially and interpersonally. They know how to size up a crowd and maximize the benefit to themselves, to capitalize on opportunities to engage with people who can help them. They also know how to avoid people who will damage their reputations, and they don't hold one ounce of guilt for being what some would say is "mean". They know you can't please everyone, so connect with the important people and be the one who others try to please.

Define “turned out great”.

OP here. One is a very successful pharma rep and engaged to a surgeon she met on one of her stops. The other is in a management trainee program at a Fortune 100 company. To reply to another poster, I had been referring to strivers in the classroom, the brown-nose types. But yes they are strivers where it counts, in climbing the latter and engaging people.

LOLOLOLOL. Of *course* “she” is a “pharma rep.”

You’re a walking stereotype, OP. Seriously, thanks for the laugh.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you want to become the top salesman at the used car lot someday, learning how to chat up unsuspecting customers definitely helps.

You sure have a simplistic view of what it takes to thrive at large corporations.

Having good EQ and social skills isn't simply about sales. No matter what kind of team you lead at a company, collaborating with other department heads or fellow C-suiters, building consensus, etc. is usually the only path to promotion (or even keeping your job).

And being drunk for four year helps with that. /s

[Anonymous]

My son is in medical school and was never in a fraternity. He is a light drinker. I think he is doing pretty well for himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you want to become the top salesman at the used car lot someday, learning how to chat up unsuspecting customers definitely helps.

You sure have a simplistic view of what it takes to thrive at large corporations.

Having good EQ and social skills isn't simply about sales. No matter what kind of team you lead at a company, collaborating with other department heads or fellow C-suiters, building consensus, etc. is usually the only path to promotion (or even keeping your job).

Good EQ and social skills are important, but thankfully those can always be learned/improved throughout life. However, once you've missed your chance to get into a good grad/professional school because you pi**ed away your grades doing keg stands at the frat house, those doors are closed forever. And for better or worse, many of the most interesting jobs (curing cancer, etc.) do require highly specialized advanced degrees.

But the doors aren't "closed forever" for someone who didn't attend a good grad/professional school. Most of the CEOs and CFOs that I've worked with or encountered didn't, and they make more money than many of us with double Ivy-type degrees who are merely VPs/non-rainmaker Big Law partners/middle management.

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Anonymous wrote:I was President of my crappy Frat from a second tier school with a 2.6 GPA and took me five years to graduate. Hard to do when you go out partying 5-6 nights a week till 2-4am.

Towards end of career but was making 400k a year from 2006-2019 in peak of career.

I had Harvard and all type of people work for me.

But for every one of "you" there will be 10 who are working basic/decent jobs without a career path to 400K. More people who have a 3.3/3.5+ and graduated in 4 years are going further in life

[Anonymous]

literally no one in the business world thinks about Greek life in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was President of my crappy Frat from a second tier school with a 2.6 GPA and took me five years to graduate. Hard to do when you go out partying 5-6 nights a week till 2-4am.

Towards end of career but was making 400k a year from 2006-2019 in peak of career.

I had Harvard and all type of people work for me.

But for every one of "you" there will be 10 who are working basic/decent jobs without a career path to 400K. More people who have a 3.3/3.5+ and graduated in 4 years are going further in life

Wow, 400K/yr towards end of career at the peak!
Meanwhile the smart academic people wee reliably earning 400K/yr mid career in medicine/law/tech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Naive students and parents, usually middle class and below, disdain the Greek system and talk about how they don't want to participate. They claim they're more serious students and aren't into that scene.

What these people don't understand is that the Greek social scene actually trains you to operate in the business world. You learn the importance of socializing, sizing people up at a glance, social drinking, and how to present yourself so that you're accepted and click with the executive class. Most importantly, you learn that you need to be extroverted and to cultivate connections to succeed in your career.

The nose to the grindstone "strivers" don't learn these things. They think the real world is like the classroom, when in fact it's much like a fraternity social. They dress the wrong way, say the wrong things, and clumsily offer opinions that might be true but are socially awkward. So they get pigeonholed as drones. They don't get the promotions, and they don't get the hot spouses.

I've advised my kids to scout out the best Greek orgs, and they've turned out great. They're not brilliant intellectuals, but their superstars socially and interpersonally. They know how to size up a crowd and maximize the benefit to themselves, to capitalize on opportunities to engage with people who can help them. They also know how to avoid people who will damage their reputations, and they don't hold one ounce of guilt for being what some would say is "mean". They know you can't please everyone, so connect with the important people and be the one who others try to please.

Define “turned out great”.

OP here. One is a very successful pharma rep and engaged to a surgeon she met on one of her stops. The other is in a management trainee program at a Fortune 100 company. To reply to another poster, I had been referring to strivers in the classroom, the brown-nose types. But yes they are strivers where it counts, in climbing the latter and engaging people.

You don't have to go to college at all to learn how to have sex with a man for money.

[Anonymous]

It's all a game and there are multiple ways to play it successfully. Some are easier than others.