Uncomfortable truth: non-partiers wind up working for the partiers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you want to become the top salesman at the used car lot someday, learning how to chat up unsuspecting customers definitely helps.

You sure have a simplistic view of what it takes to thrive at large corporations.

Having good EQ and social skills isn't simply about sales. No matter what kind of team you lead at a company, collaborating with other department heads or fellow C-suiters, building consensus, etc. is usually the only path to promotion (or even keeping your job).

Good EQ and social skills are important, but thankfully those can always be learned/improved throughout life. However, once you've missed your chance to get into a good grad/professional school because you pi**ed away your grades doing keg stands at the frat house, those doors are closed forever. And for better or worse, many of the most interesting jobs (curing cancer, etc.) do require highly specialized advanced degrees.

But the doors aren't "closed forever" for someone who didn't attend a good grad/professional school. Most of the CEOs and CFOs that I've worked with or encountered didn't, and they make more money than many of us with double Ivy-type degrees who are merely VPs/non-rainmaker Big Law partners/middle management.

Just because there are a few former party bros who managed to turn their life around and become the CEO of the biggest regional bottling supply company, that doesn't mean it's good advice for the vast majority of college kids to just blow of academics and be drunk for 4 years straight.

Party, greek, athlete bros also tend to be tall white males from privileged families.

[Anonymous]

However, no one can deny advantages of being a partier and social magnate. They do better than introverts who aren't touting their own horn or getting their social circle to tout it for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lol, no y'all are working for the athletes.

What kinds of athletes were Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates, Pichai, Jensen Huang, Jobs, etc. etc.?

95% of Fortune 500 CEOs played college sports. Former Whole Foods CEO Walter Robb was the captain of the Stanford Soccer Team. Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan played rugby at Brown University. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg was captain of his high school fencing team.

'college sports'?
Nope, that was very misleading stupid article.
Show real sources.

You’ll be blown at how many
Presidents played college sports.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol, no y'all are working for the athletes.

What kinds of athletes were Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates, Pichai, Jensen Huang, Jobs, etc. etc.?

95% of Fortune 500 CEOs played college sports. Former Whole Foods CEO Walter Robb was the captain of the Stanford Soccer Team. Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan played rugby at Brown University. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg was captain of his high school fencing team.

Things are changing and would be very different in 10-20 years, just like companies not limiting top leadership to privileged tall white males and blond women.

I'm planning on shorting companies that don't limit top leadership to privileged tall white males and blond women. Big opprtunity there.

[Anonymous]

Yuck, OP. I can’t believe you typed that out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol, no y'all are working for the athletes.

What kinds of athletes were Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates, Pichai, Jensen Huang, Jobs, etc. etc.?

95% of Fortune 500 CEOs played college sports. Former Whole Foods CEO Walter Robb was the captain of the Stanford Soccer Team. Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan played rugby at Brown University. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg was captain of his high school fencing team.

'college sports'?
Nope, that was very misleading stupid article.
Show real sources.

You’ll be blown at how many
Presidents played college sports.

define college sports

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol, no y'all are working for the athletes.

What kinds of athletes were Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates, Pichai, Jensen Huang, Jobs, etc. etc.?

95% of Fortune 500 CEOs played college sports. Former Whole Foods CEO Walter Robb was the captain of the Stanford Soccer Team. Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan played rugby at Brown University. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg was captain of his high school fencing team.

'college sports'?
Nope, that was very misleading stupid article.
Show real sources.

You’ll be blown at how many
Presidents played college sports.

define college sports

Google it almost all of them. Football, boxing, baseball, basketball

Sorry, not sorry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you want to become the top salesman at the used car lot someday, learning how to chat up unsuspecting customers definitely helps.

You sure have a simplistic view of what it takes to thrive at large corporations.

Having good EQ and social skills isn't simply about sales. No matter what kind of team you lead at a company, collaborating with other department heads or fellow C-suiters, building consensus, etc. is usually the only path to promotion (or even keeping your job).

Good EQ and social skills are important, but thankfully those can always be learned/improved throughout life. However, once you've missed your chance to get into a good grad/professional school because you pi**ed away your grades doing keg stands at the frat house, those doors are closed forever. And for better or worse, many of the most interesting jobs (curing cancer, etc.) do require highly specialized advanced degrees.

But the doors aren't "closed forever" for someone who didn't attend a good grad/professional school. Most of the CEOs and CFOs that I've worked with or encountered didn't, and they make more money than many of us with double Ivy-type degrees who are merely VPs/non-rainmaker Big Law partners/middle management.

Just because there are a few former party bros who managed to turn their life around and become the CEO of the biggest regional bottling supply company, that doesn't mean it's good advice for the vast majority of college kids to just blow of academics and be drunk for 4 years straight.

Newsflash: Greek life doesn't mean blowing off academic and being drunk for 4 years straight. Maybe that's true for many fraternity and sorority members, but rest assured that at many top colleges, some "Greek" students can hold their own academically with the so-called nerds or surpass them.

[Anonymous]

Pharma reps have college degrees?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol, no y'all are working for the athletes.

What kinds of athletes were Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates, Pichai, Jensen Huang, Jobs, etc. etc.?

95% of Fortune 500 CEOs played college sports. Former Whole Foods CEO Walter Robb was the captain of the Stanford Soccer Team. Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan played rugby at Brown University. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg was captain of his high school fencing team.

'college sports'?
Nope, that was very misleading stupid article.
Show real sources.

You’ll be blown at how many
Presidents played college sports.

define college sports

Google it almost all of them. Football, boxing, baseball, basketball

Sorry, not sorry

define college sports

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you want to become the top salesman at the used car lot someday, learning how to chat up unsuspecting customers definitely helps.

You sure have a simplistic view of what it takes to thrive at large corporations.

Having good EQ and social skills isn't simply about sales. No matter what kind of team you lead at a company, collaborating with other department heads or fellow C-suiters, building consensus, etc. is usually the only path to promotion (or even keeping your job).

Good EQ and social skills are important, but thankfully those can always be learned/improved throughout life. However, once you've missed your chance to get into a good grad/professional school because you pi**ed away your grades doing keg stands at the frat house, those doors are closed forever. And for better or worse, many of the most interesting jobs (curing cancer, etc.) do require highly specialized advanced degrees.

But the doors aren't "closed forever" for someone who didn't attend a good grad/professional school. Most of the CEOs and CFOs that I've worked with or encountered didn't, and they make more money than many of us with double Ivy-type degrees who are merely VPs/non-rainmaker Big Law partners/middle management.

Compare the number of CEO/CFOs to salespeople or mid-tier managers. Only a handful make it big at the top. There are about 200,000 CEOs (and that includes CEOs of failing start ups and small businesses).

The executive suite isn't just CEOs and CFOs. You have COOs, CTOs, the General Counsel. Lots of positions where you aren't necessarily making millions, but way more than those not in senior management.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you want to become the top salesman at the used car lot someday, learning how to chat up unsuspecting customers definitely helps.

You sure have a simplistic view of what it takes to thrive at large corporations.

Having good EQ and social skills isn't simply about sales. No matter what kind of team you lead at a company, collaborating with other department heads or fellow C-suiters, building consensus, etc. is usually the only path to promotion (or even keeping your job).

Good EQ and social skills are important, but thankfully those can always be learned/improved throughout life. However, once you've missed your chance to get into a good grad/professional school because you pi**ed away your grades doing keg stands at the frat house, those doors are closed forever. And for better or worse, many of the most interesting jobs (curing cancer, etc.) do require highly specialized advanced degrees.

But the doors aren't "closed forever" for someone who didn't attend a good grad/professional school. Most of the CEOs and CFOs that I've worked with or encountered didn't, and they make more money than many of us with double Ivy-type degrees who are merely VPs/non-rainmaker Big Law partners/middle management.

Just because there are a few former party bros who managed to turn their life around and become the CEO of the biggest regional bottling supply company, that doesn't mean it's good advice for the vast majority of college kids to just blow of academics and be drunk for 4 years straight.

Newsflash: Greek life doesn't mean blowing off academic and being drunk for 4 years straight. Maybe that's true for many fraternity and sorority members, but rest assured that at many top colleges, some [b]"Greek" students can hold their own academically with the so-called nerds or surpass them.

Note the "many" and "some" in your own response. So basically fraternities generally impede student success (too much drinking, no focus on academics) even if some members still manage to keep up academically despite being in a frat?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:However, no one can deny advantages of being a partier and social magnate. They do better than introverts who aren't touting their own horn or getting their social circle to tout it for them.

*Tooting. Social skills and spelling are both important life skills

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you want to become the top salesman at the used car lot someday, learning how to chat up unsuspecting customers definitely helps.

You sure have a simplistic view of what it takes to thrive at large corporations.

Having good EQ and social skills isn't simply about sales. No matter what kind of team you lead at a company, collaborating with other department heads or fellow C-suiters, building consensus, etc. is usually the only path to promotion (or even keeping your job).

Good EQ and social skills are important, but thankfully those can always be learned/improved throughout life. However, once you've missed your chance to get into a good grad/professional school because you pi**ed away your grades doing keg stands at the frat house, those doors are closed forever. And for better or worse, many of the most interesting jobs (curing cancer, etc.) do require highly specialized advanced degrees.

But the doors aren't "closed forever" for someone who didn't attend a good grad/professional school. Most of the CEOs and CFOs that I've worked with or encountered didn't, and they make more money than many of us with double Ivy-type degrees who are merely VPs/non-rainmaker Big Law partners/middle management.

Just because there are a few former party bros who managed to turn their life around and become the CEO of the biggest regional bottling supply company, that doesn't mean it's good advice for the vast majority of college kids to just blow of academics and be drunk for 4 years straight.

Newsflash: Greek life doesn't mean blowing off academic and being drunk for 4 years straight. Maybe that's true for many fraternity and sorority members, but rest assured that at many top colleges, some [b]"Greek" students can hold their own academically with the so-called nerds or surpass them.

Note the "many" and "some" in your own response. So basically fraternities generally impede student success (too much drinking, no focus on academics) even if some members still manage to keep up academically despite being in a frat?

You've clearly never gone to school or worked with MIT grads who were in fraternities or sororities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you want to become the top salesman at the used car lot someday, learning how to chat up unsuspecting customers definitely helps.

You sure have a simplistic view of what it takes to thrive at large corporations.

Having good EQ and social skills isn't simply about sales. No matter what kind of team you lead at a company, collaborating with other department heads or fellow C-suiters, building consensus, etc. is usually the only path to promotion (or even keeping your job).

Good EQ and social skills are important, but thankfully those can always be learned/improved throughout life. However, once you've missed your chance to get into a good grad/professional school because you pi**ed away your grades doing keg stands at the frat house, those doors are closed forever. And for better or worse, many of the most interesting jobs (curing cancer, etc.) do require highly specialized advanced degrees.

But the doors aren't "closed forever" for someone who didn't attend a good grad/professional school. Most of the CEOs and CFOs that I've worked with or encountered didn't, and they make more money than many of us with double Ivy-type degrees who are merely VPs/non-rainmaker Big Law partners/middle management.

Just because there are a few former party bros who managed to turn their life around and become the CEO of the biggest regional bottling supply company, that doesn't mean it's good advice for the vast majority of college kids to just blow of academics and be drunk for 4 years straight.

Newsflash: Greek life doesn't mean blowing off academic and being drunk for 4 years straight. Maybe that's true for many fraternity and sorority members, but rest assured that at many top colleges, some [b]"Greek" students can hold their own academically with the so-called nerds or surpass them.

Note the "many" and "some" in your own response. So basically fraternities generally impede student success (too much drinking, no focus on academics) even if some members still manage to keep up academically despite being in a frat?

I disagree. No one is going to argue keg parties are a study aid, but being part of a community and having fun is conducive to a healthy outlook and positive orientation, which can help kids stay motivated.