Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

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Anonymous wrote:She's made it clear she prefers to be in the UK. I wonder if he'll let her settle there with the kids. Probably not, which is understandable. So tough when kids are involved.


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From my point of view, it's a good strategy. He files for joint, and if she wants to go back to the UK, she has to file for primary. He then looks like, oh I'm super reasonable and want us both to have equal time, but she's unreasonable and wants to move the kids to another country away from their loving father who just wants equal time. It's not a bad legal strategy, or PR strategy.


The fact that his side has already leaked the existence of a pre-nup means that the Jonas family is preparing for war. They are going to demand 75% custody, imho.



His leaks seemed designed to prevent her making the case for primary. He knows she wants to be in the UK, and will block it. Although I'm generally sympathetic to her, I do think both parents have rights and it's best for the children to have equal access to both when feasible. If their base is established as Miami, I suppose she needs to accept that. Like when Angelina Jolie made it clear she wanted to move to Europe, and Brad Pitt blocked it. Again, tough but understandable when kids are involved.


Angelina is an American, though. Sophie is British. I think Joe knows it's going to be a real fight. They don't really have a home base. They own homes in NY and LA, recently sold the one in Miami but I guess Joe is living there now? Sophie is not only British but has career opportunities there, and extended family. That will be relevant should things get nasty between them. Sophie has a much stronger case for being able to live in the UK with the kids at least part of the year, or significant freedom to take them there when she has custody, provided it doesn't interfere with school.

From a "best interests of the children" perspective, they should probably both agree to live in NY primarily and share custody on a regular basis there. This would facilitate both their careers, enable Sophie to go to the UK or even live there part-time more easily than Miami or LA (including likely some holidays with the kids), but keep the family in the US where Joe is based and has family. That's probably the most "fair" solution. But it would require Sophie to give up something significant (permanent/semi-permanent residence in the UK) and it requires that Joe doesn't try to go scorched earth on Sophie just to spite her.

I'm curious about the decision to file in Florida. High-profile litigants often want to avoid NY for divorces, as the process there can be brutal, public, and slow. But NY also has a reputation for following pre-nups closely, especially in high-profile cases, and being unfriendly to litigants who want to set aside aspects of the pre-nup. So Joe's decision to file in Florida could indicate a desire to avoid certain aspects of the pre-nup. I do wonder if he'll be allowed to keep it there, though -- will Sophie even meet the residency requirements to come under their jurisdiction? It is not my impression that they lived there very much over the last few years. The divorce might be removed to NY anyway.

This is a sad one to me because Sophie is so young and these children are so young and there are a lot of things that can go wrong. Joe is behaving pretty aggressively right now and I hope Sophie gets exceptional representation because I am afraid she is in for a tough fight. He seems ready for that (and is egging it on), she does not. I would hate to see a young mother get screwed in this process because her soon-to-be-ex understood this system better, had better representation, and was better resourced in the US generally.

Weird he wouldn’t want to file in a state that is more likely to uphold the prenup. Also, I thought you can be divorced in 90 days in NY once you have the financial/custody agreement in place? Or you can bifurcate the financial agreement.


Yes in a no-fault divorce with two willing parties. NY gets very sticky when the parties are at war and that's especially true when they are arguing over custody and child support issues. Even if you bifurcate the financial details (which in this case I do think will be largely dictated by the pre-nup regardless, because it sounds like it's very clear about allocation of the assets they came into the marriage with, which also happen to be much larger than any assets they earned while they were married), if people are fighting over custody, NY family court can go on forever. I mean, to some extent that is true many places, but some courts are more willing to simply issue an order for joint custody and then force the parties to make it work. NY apparently kicks things back to the parties for mediation over and over and when there is no point of agreement, this can be a painful process.

My suspicion is that the pre-nup may have details in it regarding potential custody of future kids, and Joe may be unhappy with the way it's framed and be looking for a court to toss that part out. Especially if it pertains to where the parents reside and whether Sophie can move back to the UK. IIRC, this was also why A-Rod's ex filed for divorce in Florida -- she wanted certain aspects of their pre-nup thrown out. I can't remember how that shook out though and whether it worked in her favor. But I just don't understand filing in Florida. Yes they had a house there but their contacts seem relatively minimal -- neither is from there, I don't think they own a home there anymore, it is not a major capital for either of their jobs, etc. He's definitely working an angle with that.

Notably, he's hired Gisele's divorce attorney. I don't think that means this divorce will go the same way, but definitely a heavy hitter in Florida.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that some people think she cheated. Him going scorched earth on her with at least 2 articles accusing her of not seeing her kids (even though they were with her while she was filming in the UK until 3 months ago) and being a crazy party girl makes me think that he did something horrible and his team is trying to get ahead of it.

I really feel for her. She not only has to deal with him but also his crazy, overprotective, "boy mama" family. I just can't get over the fact that he's accusing her of all this when she's spent the last two years either pregnant, (maybe) breastfeeding, and raising two babies and the minute she gets a starring role in the UK... he makes these moves.


The whole thing stinks. I actually think even if she cheated, his behavior in how he's handling this shows him to be an immature, nasty person. They have two young kids together and to be perfectly honest, the only "correct" way to handle this divorce is to be as amicable as possible and issue public statements to the effect of "I have utmost respect for the father/mother of our wonderful kids and I have every hope we can resolve this amicably for the sake of our children and our friendship. Please give us privacy." The trolling behavior (wearing the ring very visibly after divorce rumors started circulating) and especially the leaked comments intended to trash Sophie are not the actions of someone who is focused on the well-being of their kids. Even if he hates her guts at this point, this woman gave birth to his youngest daughter a year ago. He should have more self-control and be able to think more critically about how this will impact their children.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that some people think she cheated. Him going scorched earth on her with at least 2 articles accusing her of not seeing her kids (even though they were with her while she was filming in the UK until 3 months ago) and being a crazy party girl makes me think that he did something horrible and his team is trying to get ahead of it.

I really feel for her. She not only has to deal with him but also his crazy, overprotective, "boy mama" family. I just can't get over the fact that he's accusing her of all this when she's spent the last two years either pregnant, (maybe) breastfeeding, and raising two babies and the minute she gets a starring role in the UK... he makes these moves.


The whole thing stinks. I actually think even if she cheated, his behavior in how he's handling this shows him to be an immature, nasty person. They have two young kids together and to be perfectly honest, the only "correct" way to handle this divorce is to be as amicable as possible and issue public statements to the effect of "I have utmost respect for the father/mother of our wonderful kids and I have every hope we can resolve this amicably for the sake of our children and our friendship. Please give us privacy." The trolling behavior (wearing the ring very visibly after divorce rumors started circulating) and especially the leaked comments intended to trash Sophie are not the actions of someone who is focused on the well-being of their kids. Even if he hates her guts at this point, this woman gave birth to his youngest daughter a year ago. He should have more self-control and be able to think more critically about how this will impact their children.


I’m one of the PPs that think Sophie cheated, mostly based on how Joe is responding. He has always seemed immature based on reports from ex girlfriends etc, but this is the first time he has actually shown this type of behavior directly to the public. It’s not completely unheard of for someone to cheat on their spouse. I think Sophie’s silence seems to make that likely. Joe is absolutely not right for how he is behaving but it may be coming from a place of hurt for him to lash out in the nasty, immature way that he has responded. I think they are both probably immature, on top of being celebrities, this was a recipe for disaster. It seems to me that the reports of her partying are ways he is alluding to possible cheating without actually announcing it (which is probably his way of thinking he is taking the high road). They should have both remained silent for their kids, but most people don’t act rationally in these situations, plus his immaturity and desire to protect his wholesome image is making that difficult.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that some people think she cheated. Him going scorched earth on her with at least 2 articles accusing her of not seeing her kids (even though they were with her while she was filming in the UK until 3 months ago) and being a crazy party girl makes me think that he did something horrible and his team is trying to get ahead of it.

I really feel for her. She not only has to deal with him but also his crazy, overprotective, "boy mama" family. I just can't get over the fact that he's accusing her of all this when she's spent the last two years either pregnant, (maybe) breastfeeding, and raising two babies and the minute she gets a starring role in the UK... he makes these moves.


The whole thing stinks. I actually think even if she cheated, his behavior in how he's handling this shows him to be an immature, nasty person. They have two young kids together and to be perfectly honest, the only "correct" way to handle this divorce is to be as amicable as possible and issue public statements to the effect of "I have utmost respect for the father/mother of our wonderful kids and I have every hope we can resolve this amicably for the sake of our children and our friendship. Please give us privacy." The trolling behavior (wearing the ring very visibly after divorce rumors started circulating) and especially the leaked comments intended to trash Sophie are not the actions of someone who is focused on the well-being of their kids. Even if he hates her guts at this point, this woman gave birth to his youngest daughter a year ago. He should have more self-control and be able to think more critically about how this will impact their children.


+1 feel exactly the same way
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All the coverage says she’s partying and doesn’t want to be tied down by marriage or parenting. There are current pics.

Some people shouldn’t get married and have kids. She married way too young…especially for a celeb.

Millie Bobbie Brown will probably do the same thing 5 years from now.

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Anonymous wrote:All the coverage says she’s partying and doesn’t want to be tied down by marriage or parenting. There are current pics.

Some people shouldn’t get married and have kids. She married way too young…especially for a celeb.

Millie Bobbie Brown will probably do the same thing 5 years from now.



Links? A photo of her at a party doesn't count. And a bunch of anonymous quotes don't either-- that's Joe's team trying to smear her

She's currently working in the UK, her first real job since having two kids (getting pregnant with the second like 13 months after the first. She may be going out a bit, I don't see what's wrong with that. She was home for three years.
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Maybe party is a euphemism for drugs. You can be a homebody and do drugs and cheat. Not saying that’s what she did though.
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Anonymous wrote:All the coverage says she’s partying and doesn’t want to be tied down by marriage or parenting. There are current pics.

Some people shouldn’t get married and have kids. She married way too young…especially for a celeb.

Millie Bobbie Brown will probably do the same thing 5 years from now.



Links? A photo of her at a party doesn't count. And a bunch of anonymous quotes don't either-- that's Joe's team trying to smear her

She's currently working in the UK, her first real job since having two kids (getting pregnant with the second like 13 months after the first. She may be going out a bit, I don't see what's wrong with that. She was home for three years.



Yeah, I think this is his narrative. The evidence is photos from one wrap party.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12486055/Sophie-Turner-downs-shots-WILD-night-UK-days-Joe-Jonas-filed-divorce-partying-took-toll-marriage.html#comments

I suspect it was his way or the highway in their house, and the real issue is that she misses the UK and wants to work.
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Anonymous wrote:All the coverage says she’s partying and doesn’t want to be tied down by marriage or parenting. There are current pics.

Some people shouldn’t get married and have kids. She married way too young…especially for a celeb.

Millie Bobbie Brown will probably do the same thing 5 years from now.



Links? A photo of her at a party doesn't count. And a bunch of anonymous quotes don't either-- that's Joe's team trying to smear her

She's currently working in the UK, her first real job since having two kids (getting pregnant with the second like 13 months after the first. She may be going out a bit, I don't see what's wrong with that. She was home for three years.



Yeah, I think this is his narrative. The evidence is photos from one wrap party.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12486055/Sophie-Turner-downs-shots-WILD-night-UK-days-Joe-Jonas-filed-divorce-partying-took-toll-marriage.html#comments

I suspect it was his way or the highway in their house, and the real issue is that she misses the UK and wants to work.


+1. I’ve never been a fan of ST, but I’ve been thinking this. She is not American, her family is all in the UK, her husband toured a lot…and she had kids really young. I wonder if he felt threatened when she went back to work. (And I can imagine her enjoying work again, especially if it were in the UK). Could be he was pretty happy when she was at home, barefoot and pregnant, but when she wanted to shift back to work, he didn’t like the loss of control.
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Anonymous wrote:She's made it clear she prefers to be in the UK. I wonder if he'll let her settle there with the kids. Probably not, which is understandable. So tough when kids are involved.


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From my point of view, it's a good strategy. He files for joint, and if she wants to go back to the UK, she has to file for primary. He then looks like, oh I'm super reasonable and want us both to have equal time, but she's unreasonable and wants to move the kids to another country away from their loving father who just wants equal time. It's not a bad legal strategy, or PR strategy.


The fact that his side has already leaked the existence of a pre-nup means that the Jonas family is preparing for war. They are going to demand 75% custody, imho.



His leaks seemed designed to prevent her making the case for primary. He knows she wants to be in the UK, and will block it. Although I'm generally sympathetic to her, I do think both parents have rights and it's best for the children to have equal access to both when feasible. If their base is established as Miami, I suppose she needs to accept that. Like when Angelina Jolie made it clear she wanted to move to Europe, and Brad Pitt blocked it. Again, tough but understandable when kids are involved.


Angelina is an American, though. Sophie is British. I think Joe knows it's going to be a real fight. They don't really have a home base. They own homes in NY and LA, recently sold the one in Miami but I guess Joe is living there now? Sophie is not only British but has career opportunities there, and extended family. That will be relevant should things get nasty between them. Sophie has a much stronger case for being able to live in the UK with the kids at least part of the year, or significant freedom to take them there when she has custody, provided it doesn't interfere with school.

From a "best interests of the children" perspective, they should probably both agree to live in NY primarily and share custody on a regular basis there. This would facilitate both their careers, enable Sophie to go to the UK or even live there part-time more easily than Miami or LA (including likely some holidays with the kids), but keep the family in the US where Joe is based and has family. That's probably the most "fair" solution. But it would require Sophie to give up something significant (permanent/semi-permanent residence in the UK) and it requires that Joe doesn't try to go scorched earth on Sophie just to spite her.

I'm curious about the decision to file in Florida. High-profile litigants often want to avoid NY for divorces, as the process there can be brutal, public, and slow. But NY also has a reputation for following pre-nups closely, especially in high-profile cases, and being unfriendly to litigants who want to set aside aspects of the pre-nup. So Joe's decision to file in Florida could indicate a desire to avoid certain aspects of the pre-nup. I do wonder if he'll be allowed to keep it there, though -- will Sophie even meet the residency requirements to come under their jurisdiction? It is not my impression that they lived there very much over the last few years. The divorce might be removed to NY anyway.

This is a sad one to me because Sophie is so young and these children are so young and there are a lot of things that can go wrong. Joe is behaving pretty aggressively right now and I hope Sophie gets exceptional representation because I am afraid she is in for a tough fight. He seems ready for that (and is egging it on), she does not. I would hate to see a young mother get screwed in this process because her soon-to-be-ex understood this system better, had better representation, and was better resourced in the US generally.

Weird he wouldn’t want to file in a state that is more likely to uphold the prenup. Also, I thought you can be divorced in 90 days in NY once you have the financial/custody agreement in place? Or you can bifurcate the financial agreement.


Yes in a no-fault divorce with two willing parties. NY gets very sticky when the parties are at war and that's especially true when they are arguing over custody and child support issues. Even if you bifurcate the financial details (which in this case I do think will be largely dictated by the pre-nup regardless, because it sounds like it's very clear about allocation of the assets they came into the marriage with, which also happen to be much larger than any assets they earned while they were married), if people are fighting over custody, NY family court can go on forever. I mean, to some extent that is true many places, but some courts are more willing to simply issue an order for joint custody and then force the parties to make it work. NY apparently kicks things back to the parties for mediation over and over and when there is no point of agreement, this can be a painful process.

My suspicion is that the pre-nup may have details in it regarding potential custody of future kids, and Joe may be unhappy with the way it's framed and be looking for a court to toss that part out. Especially if it pertains to where the parents reside and whether Sophie can move back to the UK. IIRC, this was also why A-Rod's ex filed for divorce in Florida -- she wanted certain aspects of their pre-nup thrown out. I can't remember how that shook out though and whether it worked in her favor. But I just don't understand filing in Florida. Yes they had a house there but their contacts seem relatively minimal -- neither is from there, I don't think they own a home there anymore, it is not a major capital for either of their jobs, etc. He's definitely working an angle with that.

Notably, he's hired Gisele's divorce attorney. I don't think that means this divorce will go the same way, but definitely a heavy hitter in Florida.


If she's smart, she and the kids are already in the UK and she's filing there tomorrow
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The Jonas Brothers are not even remotely attractive. Joe is too short and too hairy. Nick looks like a 12yr old.

I cannot understand any woman wanting to be with them unless they are desperate. Priyanka and Sophie are both beautiful but their choice in men raises questions.
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Anonymous wrote:All the coverage says she’s partying and doesn’t want to be tied down by marriage or parenting. There are current pics.

Some people shouldn’t get married and have kids. She married way too young…especially for a celeb.

Millie Bobbie Brown will probably do the same thing 5 years from now.


...that's been leaked or planted jj's big guns publicists and attorneys. God, don't be so naive.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that some people think she cheated. Him going scorched earth on her with at least 2 articles accusing her of not seeing her kids (even though they were with her while she was filming in the UK until 3 months ago) and being a crazy party girl makes me think that he did something horrible and his team is trying to get ahead of it.

I really feel for her. She not only has to deal with him but also his crazy, overprotective, "boy mama" family. I just can't get over the fact that he's accusing her of all this when she's spent the last two years either pregnant, (maybe) breastfeeding, and raising two babies and the minute she gets a starring role in the UK... he makes these moves.


The whole thing stinks. I actually think even if she cheated, his behavior in how he's handling this shows him to be an immature, nasty person. They have two young kids together and to be perfectly honest, the only "correct" way to handle this divorce is to be as amicable as possible and issue public statements to the effect of "I have utmost respect for the father/mother of our wonderful kids and I have every hope we can resolve this amicably for the sake of our children and our friendship. Please give us privacy." The trolling behavior (wearing the ring very visibly after divorce rumors started circulating) and especially the leaked comments intended to trash Sophie are not the actions of someone who is focused on the well-being of their kids. Even if he hates her guts at this point, this woman gave birth to his youngest daughter a year ago. He should have more self-control and be able to think more critically about how this will impact their children.


I’m one of the PPs that think Sophie cheated, mostly based on how Joe is responding. He has always seemed immature based on reports from ex girlfriends etc, but this is the first time he has actually shown this type of behavior directly to the public. It’s not completely unheard of for someone to cheat on their spouse. I think Sophie’s silence seems to make that likely. Joe is absolutely not right for how he is behaving but it may be coming from a place of hurt for him to lash out in the nasty, immature way that he has responded. I think they are both probably immature, on top of being celebrities, this was a recipe for disaster. It seems to me that the reports of her partying are ways he is alluding to possible cheating without actually announcing it (which is probably his way of thinking he is taking the high road). They should have both remained silent for their kids, but most people don’t act rationally in these situations, plus his immaturity and desire to protect his wholesome image is making that difficult.

NP. I went to church with their family growing up in NJ and still keep in contact with one of their good friends. They’re very traditional people. I don’t think she would necessarily have had to cheat for him to go nuclear like this. She could just start doing things in a way he didn’t like or not falling in step with him for him to view her poorly. They’re overall nice people but there is definitely an inability especially with Joe to not really be able to see other perspectives. I wasn’t really surprised that he married someone so young. Nick is a little more worldly than Joe (which I’m sure people I grew up with would see as a bad thing).

Not to say that I have any sort of inside scoop on what Sophie did or didn’t do. I just think that Joe is coming from a very particular background and upbringing so you can’t just say his reaction of X means Y.
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In a people article she noted she wanted to move back to the UK and have her children go to school there, have her family nearby. I bet that was an issue with him too. would ppl in the UK want Jonas Bro concerts continually? Prob not.

But the ^^ above, you make a good point. She was supposed to stay within her role and when she didn't, he couldn't handle it.

His loss. Bc he'd raise their daughters the same way.
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Anonymous wrote:She cheated, he’s done.


Sounds like it. That’s so sad. She was so young when they started dating and they settled down so quickly. What a mess for everyone involved.



Liking to party does not equate to cheating. This from a guy who's touring, late-night show after late-night show? Like he's home with their kids at the dinner table like a proper househusband. Please.


I think it was the ‘irretrievably broken’ statement that alludes to cheating. Agree both of them are likely not very stable, but it has to be something dramatic for him to actually file, considering their family’s persona of marriage and stability.


Also the reports about the ring camera. I’m guessing she brought some guy home or got caught on a phone call.
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