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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]She's made it clear she prefers to be in the UK. I wonder if he'll let her settle there with the kids. Probably not, which is understandable. So tough when kids are involved. [/quote]

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[quote][i] From my point of view, it's a good strategy. He files for joint, and if she wants to go back to the UK, she has to file for primary. He then looks like, oh I'm super reasonable and want us both to have equal time, but she's unreasonable and wants to move the kids to another country away from their loving father who just wants equal time. It's not a bad legal strategy, or PR strategy.[/i][/quote]

The fact that his side has already leaked the existence of a pre-nup means that the Jonas family is preparing for war. They are going to demand 75% custody, imho. [/quote]

His leaks seemed designed to prevent her making the case for primary. He knows she wants to be in the UK, and will block it. Although I'm generally sympathetic to her, I do think both parents have rights and it's best for the children to have equal access to both when feasible. If their base is established as Miami, I suppose she needs to accept that. Like when Angelina Jolie made it clear she wanted to move to Europe, and Brad Pitt blocked it. Again, tough but understandable when kids are involved.[/quote]

Angelina is an American, though. Sophie is British. I think Joe knows it's going to be a real fight. They don't really have a home base. They own homes in NY and LA, recently sold the one in Miami but I guess Joe is living there now? Sophie is not only British but has career opportunities there, and extended family. That will be relevant should things get nasty between them. Sophie has a much stronger case for being able to live in the UK with the kids at least part of the year, or significant freedom to take them there when she has custody, provided it doesn't interfere with school.

From a "best interests of the children" perspective, they should probably both agree to live in NY primarily and share custody on a regular basis there. This would facilitate both their careers, enable Sophie to go to the UK or even live there part-time more easily than Miami or LA (including likely some holidays with the kids), but keep the family in the US where Joe is based and has family. That's probably the most "fair" solution. But it would require Sophie to give up something significant (permanent/semi-permanent residence in the UK) and it requires that Joe doesn't try to go scorched earth on Sophie just to spite her.

I'm curious about the decision to file in Florida. High-profile litigants often want to avoid NY for divorces, as the process there can be brutal, public, and slow. But NY also has a reputation for following pre-nups closely, especially in high-profile cases, and being unfriendly to litigants who want to set aside aspects of the pre-nup. So Joe's decision to file in Florida could indicate a desire to avoid certain aspects of the pre-nup. I do wonder if he'll be allowed to keep it there, though -- will Sophie even meet the residency requirements to come under their jurisdiction? It is not my impression that they lived there very much over the last few years. The divorce might be removed to NY anyway.

This is a sad one to me because Sophie is so young and these children are so young and there are a lot of things that can go wrong. Joe is behaving pretty aggressively right now and I hope Sophie gets exceptional representation because I am afraid she is in for a tough fight. He seems ready for that (and is egging it on), she does not. I would hate to see a young mother get screwed in this process because her soon-to-be-ex understood this system better, had better representation, and was better resourced in the US generally. [/quote]
Weird he wouldn’t want to file in a state that is more likely to uphold the prenup. Also, I thought you can be divorced in 90 days in NY once you have the financial/custody agreement in place? Or you can bifurcate the financial agreement.[/quote]

Yes in a no-fault divorce with two willing parties. NY gets very sticky when the parties are at war and that's especially true when they are arguing over custody and child support issues. Even if you bifurcate the financial details (which in this case I do think will be largely dictated by the pre-nup regardless, because it sounds like it's very clear about allocation of the assets they came into the marriage with, which also happen to be much larger than any assets they earned while they were married), if people are fighting over custody, NY family court can go on forever. I mean, to some extent that is true many places, but some courts are more willing to simply issue an order for joint custody and then force the parties to make it work. NY apparently kicks things back to the parties for mediation over and over and when there is no point of agreement, this can be a painful process.

My suspicion is that the pre-nup may have details in it regarding potential custody of future kids, and Joe may be unhappy with the way it's framed and be looking for a court to toss that part out. Especially if it pertains to where the parents reside and whether Sophie can move back to the UK. IIRC, this was also why A-Rod's ex filed for divorce in Florida -- she wanted certain aspects of their pre-nup thrown out. I can't remember how that shook out though and whether it worked in her favor. But I just don't understand filing in Florida. Yes they had a house there but their contacts seem relatively minimal -- neither is from there, I don't think they own a home there anymore, it is not a major capital for either of their jobs, etc. He's definitely working an angle with that.

Notably, he's hired Gisele's divorce attorney. I don't think that means this divorce will go the same way, but definitely a heavy hitter in Florida.[/quote]

If she's smart, she and the kids are already in the UK and she's filing there tomorrow [/quote]

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