Are we racist? What would you do? Any Indian people here?

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people wondering how people know that OP is Jewish, anti-semites can always tell.

Not according to the show Fauda.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people wondering how people know that OP is Jewish, anti-semites can always tell.

Not according to the show Fauda.

I loved Fauda. Except the last season wasn’t so great in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:You should have avoided Dubai in the first place. Westerners should not patronize xenophobic, homophobic, anti-Semitic dictatorships like the UAE as a rule.

You know they say the same thing about the USA. Just sayin

And they would be ridiculous… name the place that is more welcoming to all kinds.

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Anonymous wrote:Hmmmmm this is tricky. I'm Indian American and yes, that is a Hindu symbol that can be found all over India and has peaceful connotations there so they are not making that up. Obviously it's a hateful symbol in the US and Europe. So I can see why everyone is convinced that you are creating a problem that isn't there...But I agree that you have hostility with the neighbor, and the neighbor isn't Indian, and is probably trying to mess with you by drawing that symbol. He's using the prevalence of Indian people to try and get away with it. So IMO you are a little bit trapped. Don't focus so much on the symbol, but be very watchful of this neighbor. I can only see the hostility escalating.

Is it normal for people to just...smear it onto the wall in a nice apartment building with their finger? Because that is what this is. It is smeared on with some kind of brownish fluid, like water mud or similar (don't want to know). Do Indian people in India just do this in buildings?

Indian person here. Yes. It’s common to do this.

It could have been your neighbor in this situation but I understand why the building owners didn’t do anything. Dubai has a high proportion of Indian building workers.

This is a troll.

I mean, I have not seen it in the US once people know that other people misinterpret it as a Nazi swastika. But absolutely, it is common to do this in India. Many doors have this at the top and I have seen it on walls too. Definitely done with fingers unless it’s somewhere fancy.

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Anonymous wrote:Hmmmmm this is tricky. I'm Indian American and yes, that is a Hindu symbol that can be found all over India and has peaceful connotations there so they are not making that up. Obviously it's a hateful symbol in the US and Europe. So I can see why everyone is convinced that you are creating a problem that isn't there...But I agree that you have hostility with the neighbor, and the neighbor isn't Indian, and is probably trying to mess with you by drawing that symbol. He's using the prevalence of Indian people to try and get away with it. So IMO you are a little bit trapped. Don't focus so much on the symbol, but be very watchful of this neighbor. I can only see the hostility escalating.

Is it normal for people to just...smear it onto the wall in a nice apartment building with their finger? Because that is what this is. It is smeared on with some kind of brownish fluid, like water mud or similar (don't want to know). Do Indian people in India just do this in buildings?

Indian person here. Yes. It’s common to do this.

It could have been your neighbor in this situation but I understand why the building owners didn’t do anything. Dubai has a high proportion of Indian building workers.

This is a troll.

I mean, I have not seen it in the US once people know that other people misinterpret it as a Nazi swastika. But absolutely, it is common to do this in India. Many doors have this at the top and I have seen it on walls too. Definitely done with fingers unless it’s somewhere fancy.

PP here. Regardless, that wasn’t the intent of this. The manager is just trying to get you to stop complaining. I don’t know why you’re there or why people would know you’re Jewish. I’m Hindu and there are some countries I would never go to. If you’re being casual about letting people know you’re Jewish, you should stop. It’s not right or fair, but you have to worry about your safety first. No point in escalating anything. Make decisions based on your personal safety and that of your family. Bottom line. I would never want to get caught up in any sort of legal situation in a country like that, especially if you’re a woman.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most folks have covered the move out part..

On the swastika:

https://journalsofindia.com/ancient-indian-symbol-of-the-swastika/

The swastika is commonly seen in India today as a ubiquitous symbol adorning temples, homes, vehicles, and on walls above entrances and doors and it carries a purely auspicious and welcoming meaning.

Unlike the black hakenkreuz of the Nazis, the swastika used by Indians is usually red or yellow in colour, is not tilted to the right, and has dots at each corner, which are believed to represent the four Vedas.
Swastika symbol adoption by Hitler-

Despite its association for centuries with the symbolism and practice of the Hindu, Buddhist, and Jain religions, many people in Europe and America see the swastika only as the defining symbol of the antisemitic, racist, fascist Third Reich (1933-1945) of Adolf Hitler.

Yes, I understand what the swastika means in India. But Dubai is NOT INDIA. Just like the US is NOT INDIA. If drawing swastikas over someone's door is wrong in the US, which is not India, then it should be wrong in any country that is...not India.

You need to travel. Or read. Dubai was literally built by Indians. How can you be this ignorant and uninformed???

The Buddhist symbol is universal. It is not just used in India but in many parts of Asia, including in Buddhist temples in South East Asia. You need to be more culturally aware that for Buddhists, the symbol precedes and transcends the history of the Nazis and the persecution of Jews.

This. So tired of people being offended by this symbol. Why we let the hijackers of the symbol define its meaning is beyond me.

The neighbor meant it as a sign of hate though.

You obviously aren’t Jewish.

I'm not, but I don't understand why you're pointing it out. Explain?

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Anonymous wrote:Um, as many posters wrote above, the Swastika is a holy symbol for Hindus. I was just home in Bangalore, and it was everywhere - at temples, in my father's village, at his funeral, etc.

I am happily married to an American Jew for the past 20 years. My mom's eldest brother, who just died at 88, was married to a Jewish woman for more than 50 years. Get over yourself and educate yourself about other cultures.

How does what you're saying apply to what happened to op? Who are you talking to?

If a person uses a swastika as a hate symbol towards Jews, it doesn't symbolize Hindu holiness.

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Having lived overseas in other less PC countries please realize you're there for 3 months. I would just do what you can to get through until September without stirring up a bunch of drama.

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I’d move

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Anonymous wrote:Um, as many posters wrote above, the Swastika is a holy symbol for Hindus. I was just home in Bangalore, and it was everywhere - at temples, in my father's village, at his funeral, etc.

I am happily married to an American Jew for the past 20 years. My mom's eldest brother, who just died at 88, was married to a Jewish woman for more than 50 years. Get over yourself and educate yourself about other cultures.

How does what you're saying apply to what happened to op? Who are you talking to?

If a person uses a swastika as a hate symbol towards Jews, it doesn't symbolize Hindu holiness.

Seems to me the pp’s post is in response to the OP saying that Hindus should not use their symbol in any country other than India.

The OP also seems ignorant to the fact that Hindus welcomed Jewish refugees and gave them a safe space to call home as Jewish people have lived in India for 2,000 years. Even though their numbers were small, they have thrived.

Needless to say, this is some kind of ridiculous Hindu bashing because it’s obvious the person who placed the hooked cross over her door was her Arab neighbor in retaliation for her complaining about smoke. But all she can focus on is that Hindus still use this symbol. That’s clear from her title of this thread calling out Indians to respond so she can lecture them to only use their symbol in India.

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I suspect op has changed details to be less identifiable.

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I would focus on the smoking.

Put in writing (to the top boss) that if they do not start enforcing the no smoking policy, you should be released from your lease with no penalty,

Then move out of that building or Dubai. I am sorry for how you have been treated.

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Anonymous wrote:Um, as many posters wrote above, the Swastika is a holy symbol for Hindus. I was just home in Bangalore, and it was everywhere - at temples, in my father's village, at his funeral, etc.

I am happily married to an American Jew for the past 20 years. My mom's eldest brother, who just died at 88, was married to a Jewish woman for more than 50 years. Get over yourself and educate yourself about other cultures.

How does what you're saying apply to what happened to op? Who are you talking to?

If a person uses a swastika as a hate symbol towards Jews, it doesn't symbolize Hindu holiness.

Seems to me the pp’s post is in response to the OP saying that Hindus should not use their symbol in any country other than India.

The OP also seems ignorant to the fact that Hindus welcomed Jewish refugees and gave them a safe space to call home as Jewish people have lived in India for 2,000 years. Even though their numbers were small, they have thrived.

Needless to say, this is some kind of ridiculous Hindu bashing because it’s obvious the person who placed the hooked cross over her door was her Arab neighbor in retaliation for her complaining about smoke. But all she can focus on is that Hindus still use this symbol. That’s clear from her title of this thread calling out Indians to respond so she can lecture them to only use their symbol in India.

I didn't see where op said Hindus can only use the symbol in India.

But I don't think it matters if op doesn't know about the history between the Hindus and the Jews, because she's not accusing Hindus of anything. The suspect who left the symbol isn't Hindu. OP isn't saying the Indian people did anything wrong.

The issue is that hotel management is telling her the swastika is a peace symbol, so she's asking Indian people of dcum: do Indian people leave swastika symbols above doors? Of strangers? Does this ring true?

But that's neither here nor there because we all know who left the swastika and why. The question is, does the management team truly not get what it what it means, IN THIS CONTEXT? Or are they just gaslighting to try to minimize conflict?

I still don't think op or anyone else needs to "get over" ourselves. If someone intends for a swastika to be antisemitic, it shouldn't be ignored or interpreted as peaceful.

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Anonymous wrote:Um, as many posters wrote above, the Swastika is a holy symbol for Hindus. I was just home in Bangalore, and it was everywhere - at temples, in my father's village, at his funeral, etc.

I am happily married to an American Jew for the past 20 years. My mom's eldest brother, who just died at 88, was married to a Jewish woman for more than 50 years. Get over yourself and educate yourself about other cultures.

How does what you're saying apply to what happened to op? Who are you talking to?

If a person uses a swastika as a hate symbol towards Jews, it doesn't symbolize Hindu holiness.

Seems to me the pp’s post is in response to the OP saying that Hindus should not use their symbol in any country other than India.

The OP also seems ignorant to the fact that Hindus welcomed Jewish refugees and gave them a safe space to call home as Jewish people have lived in India for 2,000 years. Even though their numbers were small, they have thrived.

Needless to say, this is some kind of ridiculous Hindu bashing because it’s obvious the person who placed the hooked cross over her door was her Arab neighbor in retaliation for her complaining about smoke. But all she can focus on is that Hindus still use this symbol. That’s clear from her title of this thread calling out Indians to respond so she can lecture them to only use their symbol in India.

I didn't see where op said Hindus can only use the symbol in India.

But I don't think it matters if op doesn't know about the history between the Hindus and the Jews, because she's not accusing Hindus of anything. The suspect who left the symbol isn't Hindu. OP isn't saying the Indian people did anything wrong.

The issue is that hotel management is telling her the swastika is a peace symbol, so she's asking Indian people of dcum: do Indian people leave swastika symbols above doors? Of strangers? Does this ring true?

But that's neither here nor there because we all know who left the swastika and why. The question is, does the management team truly not get what it what it means, IN THIS CONTEXT? Or are they just gaslighting to try to minimize conflict?

I still don't think op or anyone else needs to "get over" ourselves. If someone intends for a swastika to be antisemitic, it shouldn't be ignored or interpreted as peaceful.

Beautifully said. Thank you.

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OP— it’s better to be safe than right. Drop it and bide your time.