What’s with people getting angry that kids are in carseats longer?

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Anonymous wrote:People are weird. We threw away the boosters by 4th grade.
No one sits in them. Carpool, nope, sports teams, nope.

Agree. I don’t know anyone (literally at all) in my real life who used them past about 2nd/3rd grade.

That your circle then. What does that have to do with the rest of us?

You mean your circle.

Oh no

My circle is made up of a bunch of engineers. I don't know what people who haven't learned physics do.

You sound like an adolescent.

And you are oh so mature. Did I offend with the mention of physics?

I can't believe the drivel I'm hearing on this thread.
Go by your "feels" lady. No one really wants to bother to convince you.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen a lot of anger and animosity from (mostly) older folks regarding current guidelines for child passenger safety.

My 3.5-year-old is rear-facing carseat and my 7-year-old is in a backed booster with a harness. For some reason my father and father-in-law are extremely bothered by this. When I told my dad that both boys will be in some type of booster in the back seat until they’re 4’11” or 12 (whichever comes first) his head spun and he let out a guttural groan like he had been punched in the stomach.

We follow the recommendations of the NHTSA, CDC’s Child Passenger Safety and our pediatricians office. I don’t see a reason not to? My kids have never complained. They are always comfortable. They’re petite for their age and aren’t prone to car sickness so thank God I don’t have to worry about queasiness with the rear facing. They both will fall asleep in the car if the drive is longer than 30 minutes and so I don’t have to worry about them slumping over. Their peers are in similar carseats and booster seats and the older has never mentioned being embarrassed. Why not? Car accidents and guns are the two leading cause of deaths for children under 16 and I really have very little control about either but if I can give my children a decreased chance of serious injury or death in the event of a car accident why not?

So many older people seem to have survivors bias about it all.

“Back in my day we just sat in the back of the car and we turned out fine!” Well, I’m sure many didn’t and I don’t think car fatalities were nearly as common in the 1950s.

Same thing with helmets. Drives my dad crazy! “You never wore a helmet growing up and you were fine!”

Yeah. Thank God I didn’t crash and hit my head. I wouldn’t be having this conversation with you because I could’ve had a TBI. My kids gonna wear a helmet. Why on earth would they not? So they can look cooler to a bunch of 65-year-old men?

And I’ve seen ads for carseats and booster seats on social media and the comments are similar (yes, I know Facebook comments are always going to be the worst humanity has to offer). But there are so many people actually ANGRY that a 8-year-old is in a booster. Like angry and throwing out wild theories, “they’re trying to make our kids soft!” “This is why men can’t be men anymore!!” Just true insanity.

Why on earth does decreasing the chances of your kid being seriously injured or killed seem to trigger an entire generation?

Because they’re still little. Your oldest is 7? When he’s in 4th grade, get back to us and let us know how he feels about climbing into a booster seat in front of his friends from school.

My kid will be 12 in a few months and in sixth grade. She still uses a booster, even with friends in the car.

Your exception does not prove the rule that this is common or even necessary or that the kids still sitting in the booster at an advanced age don't mind. Plus the PP was talking about a boy.

Oh please. Because girls are known for being less image conscious than boys and less cognizant of social norms. Lol.

Um calling a boy a baby is a pretty damning insult. An 11 year old boy riding around in a booster would be mocked mercilessly. Girls mock each other for everything, boys are much more selective and this would certainly not go unnoticed.

Unless he is also using diapers I don’t think it’s anything to be concerned about.

Well, right, because boys at that age aren't riding in boosters. My son is also 12. Haven't seen a friend of his in one for years. Despite the person or two claiming this actually happens there would likely be medical reason for it that they probably aren't admitting. A healthy 12 year old boy does not need a booster. My son and his friends are all over 5 feet tall.

Then he doesn't need a booster. Who are you arguing against?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen a lot of anger and animosity from (mostly) older folks regarding current guidelines for child passenger safety.

My 3.5-year-old is rear-facing carseat and my 7-year-old is in a backed booster with a harness. For some reason my father and father-in-law are extremely bothered by this. When I told my dad that both boys will be in some type of booster in the back seat until they’re 4’11” or 12 (whichever comes first) his head spun and he let out a guttural groan like he had been punched in the stomach.

We follow the recommendations of the NHTSA, CDC’s Child Passenger Safety and our pediatricians office. I don’t see a reason not to? My kids have never complained. They are always comfortable. They’re petite for their age and aren’t prone to car sickness so thank God I don’t have to worry about queasiness with the rear facing. They both will fall asleep in the car if the drive is longer than 30 minutes and so I don’t have to worry about them slumping over. Their peers are in similar carseats and booster seats and the older has never mentioned being embarrassed. Why not? Car accidents and guns are the two leading cause of deaths for children under 16 and I really have very little control about either but if I can give my children a decreased chance of serious injury or death in the event of a car accident why not?

So many older people seem to have survivors bias about it all.

“Back in my day we just sat in the back of the car and we turned out fine!” Well, I’m sure many didn’t and I don’t think car fatalities were nearly as common in the 1950s.

Same thing with helmets. Drives my dad crazy! “You never wore a helmet growing up and you were fine!”

Yeah. Thank God I didn’t crash and hit my head. I wouldn’t be having this conversation with you because I could’ve had a TBI. My kids gonna wear a helmet. Why on earth would they not? So they can look cooler to a bunch of 65-year-old men?

And I’ve seen ads for carseats and booster seats on social media and the comments are similar (yes, I know Facebook comments are always going to be the worst humanity has to offer). But there are so many people actually ANGRY that a 8-year-old is in a booster. Like angry and throwing out wild theories, “they’re trying to make our kids soft!” “This is why men can’t be men anymore!!” Just true insanity.

Why on earth does decreasing the chances of your kid being seriously injured or killed seem to trigger an entire generation?

Because they’re still little. Your oldest is 7? When he’s in 4th grade, get back to us and let us know how he feels about climbing into a booster seat in front of his friends from school.

My kid will be 12 in a few months and in sixth grade. She still uses a booster, even with friends in the car.

Your exception does not prove the rule that this is common or even necessary or that the kids still sitting in the booster at an advanced age don't mind. Plus the PP was talking about a boy.

Oh please. Because girls are known for being less image conscious than boys and less cognizant of social norms. Lol.

Um calling a boy a baby is a pretty damning insult. An 11 year old boy riding around in a booster would be mocked mercilessly. Girls mock each other for everything, boys are much more selective and this would certainly not go unnoticed.

Unless he is also using diapers I don’t think it’s anything to be concerned about.

Well, right, because boys at that age aren't riding in boosters. My son is also 12. Haven't seen a friend of his in one for years. Despite the person or two claiming this actually happens there would likely be medical reason for it that they probably aren't admitting. A healthy 12 year old boy does not need a booster. My son and his friends are all over 5 feet tall.

Then he doesn't need a booster. Who are you arguing against?

The people insisting 11 and 12 year olds riding around in boosters is totally normal. Even though they admit their kids are in the 5th percentile.

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I don’t care what other people do, but I do have a problem with extending the legal mandates to higher ages without strong evidence of a significant benefit.

And if you think there is, then you clearly haven’t bothered to look at the methodology and data sources of the studies used to justify these actions.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory!
I bet the people who still have or plan to have 11 year olds in boosters are the SAME people who are still masking indoors. I also bet the people who stopped using boosters early or the second they could get away with transitioning are the SAME people who resented masking and stopped as soon as they were allowed.
Amirite?

Not even close. My 11 year old still uses a booster because her height/weight indicates that she needs it. We dropped masks at school the second it was permitted, and I have never once put my kids in an n95 respirator. Why? Covid is very low risk to kids. Car accidents otoh are a major cause of death in children and you can’t control what lunatics are doing on the highway.

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Anonymous wrote:I have yet to see an 11 year old in a high back booster. Good luck with that.

My 11 year old is 53 inches tall and we haven't removed our high back boosters from the car yet.

This is very very small. My 11 year old is always in the front row of group pictures, never the absolute shortest but one of them, and he is 58/59 inches.

53 inches would probably be about 5th percentile.
You do know how that works, yes? These kids do exist. I have one of them-almost 12 and 54 inches. I’m barely 5 foot myself.

Yep, entire extended family all small. All of us in 5- 10th percentile as babies/kids.

Women hover around 4'10" to 5' and men 5'6" as adults. Booster seats for all us moms?

Yes! I thought I saw a self-driving car the other day. Turns out there was a really tiny woman driving. I’m not sure how she was able to see over the dashboard.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care what other people do, but I do have a problem with extending the legal mandates to higher ages without strong evidence of a significant benefit.

And if you think there is, then you clearly haven’t bothered to look at the methodology and data sources of the studies used to justify these actions.

This is because the manufacturers lobby congress for legal mandates to sell more car seats. It's an easy thing for congress to vote for (more safety!) and hard to vote against. But in fact, it puts the poor at a greater disadvantage - they can't afford to keep buying car seats, so they are more likely to be fined if pulled over or jailed in case of an accident.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory!
I bet the people who still have or plan to have 11 year olds in boosters are the SAME people who are still masking indoors. I also bet the people who stopped using boosters early or the second they could get away with transitioning are the SAME people who resented masking and stopped as soon as they were allowed.
Amirite?

Not even close. My 11 year old still uses a booster because her height/weight indicates that she needs it. We dropped masks at school the second it was permitted, and I have never once put my kids in an n95 respirator. Why? Covid is very low risk to kids. Car accidents otoh are a major cause of death in children and you can’t control what lunatics are doing on the highway.

Exactly. It is a painless way to prevent or mitigate one of the most dangerous things kids do. So weird how ppl push so hard against it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory!
I bet the people who still have or plan to have 11 year olds in boosters are the SAME people who are still masking indoors. I also bet the people who stopped using boosters early or the second they could get away with transitioning are the SAME people who resented masking and stopped as soon as they were allowed.
Amirite?

Not even close. My 11 year old still uses a booster because her height/weight indicates that she needs it. We dropped masks at school the second it was permitted, and I have never once put my kids in an n95 respirator. Why? Covid is very low risk to kids. Car accidents otoh are a major cause of death in children and you can’t control what lunatics are doing on the highway.

Exactly. It is a painless way to prevent or mitigate one of the most dangerous things kids do. So weird how ppl push so hard against it.

There was a PP in this thread who said they’d been in a car accident and it “wasn’t that bad,” so they don’t worry as much about car seats/boosters for kids.

I just… people are insane. I’ve been in a car accident with my kid in a car seat (rear facing) and even though it turned out not to be that bad, it was awful in those moments where I didn’t know if my kid was okay or if the car seat had done it’s job. Thankfully it did, but the idea that a car accident would make you more cavalier about car safety…. Insane.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory!
I bet the people who still have or plan to have 11 year olds in boosters are the SAME people who are still masking indoors. I also bet the people who stopped using boosters early or the second they could get away with transitioning are the SAME people who resented masking and stopped as soon as they were allowed.
Amirite?

Not even close. My 11 year old still uses a booster because her height/weight indicates that she needs it. We dropped masks at school the second it was permitted, and I have never once put my kids in an n95 respirator. Why? Covid is very low risk to kids. Car accidents otoh are a major cause of death in children and you can’t control what lunatics are doing on the highway.

Exactly. It is a painless way to prevent or mitigate one of the most dangerous things kids do. So weird how ppl push so hard against it.

You know that people who don’t make 11 year olds sit in boosters use seat belts, right? Seat belts are very effective. The kids aren’t less safe.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory!
I bet the people who still have or plan to have 11 year olds in boosters are the SAME people who are still masking indoors. I also bet the people who stopped using boosters early or the second they could get away with transitioning are the SAME people who resented masking and stopped as soon as they were allowed.
Amirite?

Not even close. My 11 year old still uses a booster because her height/weight indicates that she needs it. We dropped masks at school the second it was permitted, and I have never once put my kids in an n95 respirator. Why? Covid is very low risk to kids. Car accidents otoh are a major cause of death in children and you can’t control what lunatics are doing on the highway.

Exactly. It is a painless way to prevent or mitigate one of the most dangerous things kids do. So weird how ppl push so hard against it.

You know that people who don’t make 11 year olds sit in boosters use seat belts, right? Seat belts are very effective. The kids aren’t less safe.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory!
I bet the people who still have or plan to have 11 year olds in boosters are the SAME people who are still masking indoors. I also bet the people who stopped using boosters early or the second they could get away with transitioning are the SAME people who resented masking and stopped as soon as they were allowed.
Amirite?

Not even close. My 11 year old still uses a booster because her height/weight indicates that she needs it. We dropped masks at school the second it was permitted, and I have never once put my kids in an n95 respirator. Why? Covid is very low risk to kids. Car accidents otoh are a major cause of death in children and you can’t control what lunatics are doing on the highway.

Exactly. It is a painless way to prevent or mitigate one of the most dangerous things kids do. So weird how ppl push so hard against it.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory!
I bet the people who still have or plan to have 11 year olds in boosters are the SAME people who are still masking indoors. I also bet the people who stopped using boosters early or the second they could get away with transitioning are the SAME people who resented masking and stopped as soon as they were allowed.
Amirite?

Not even close. My 11 year old still uses a booster because her height/weight indicates that she needs it. We dropped masks at school the second it was permitted, and I have never once put my kids in an n95 respirator. Why? Covid is very low risk to kids. Car accidents otoh are a major cause of death in children and you can’t control what lunatics are doing on the highway.

Exactly. It is a painless way to prevent or mitigate one of the most dangerous things kids do. So weird how ppl push so hard against it.

You know that people who don’t make 11 year olds sit in boosters use seat belts, right? Seat belts are very effective. The kids aren’t less safe.

Seat belts are designed for and tested in adult sized bodies. If your kid is of that size, great! If someone with a smaller child wants to use a booster to make the adult sized seatbelt fit properly, then they should be able to do that without grandma etc criticizing them. That is the entire point of this thread.

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28427953/

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Anonymous wrote:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28427953/

Even setting aside the significant methodology problems with this study, this finding should calm everyone’s nerves about (the lack of) booster seat use:

“The risk of experiencing an incapacitating/fatal injury was not associated with booster use.”