How many times have you had Covid?

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Never. Fully up to date on vaccine/boosters but haven’t worn a mask in a long time except on airplanes.

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

Do you hear yourself?

You are basically saying if I am not at risk for dying from it, how big a deal can it really be?

Totally self-absorbed.

NP. That's not how I read this at all. This person is saying that the war analogy is a very bad one. This disease and it's worst outcomes are not at all random. They never were even in March 2020. In May 2023, the worst outcomes even for the weakest among us are largely (not entirely) avoidable even for the elderly and sick if they avail themselves of vaccines and treatments. Re-read the bolded sentence. That is this person's point and I agree 100 percent.

March 2020 are you insane.

Healthy adults died in the parking lots in NY of COVID.

It was not unavoidable if you had to pay bills and go to work.

I agree the vaccine saved lives but the vaccine deniers have killed more people than gun violence.

I'd like a citation for the healthy adults dropping dead of COVID in the parking lots of New York, especially as the emergency field hospitals ended up never being used.

I do agree (fully!) that vaccines saved lives. But that is a different situation entirely. Vaccination or not, COVID killed primarily unhealthy older people. Random healthy younger people who died of COVID are very rare. Today, with both vaccinations and treatments, few people are at risk of suffering badly from COVID and that is why it is not a public topic any more. But it will, and it will always, affect the elderly and very sick, just as the elderly and very sick died of the flu before COVID came along. Even if they are vaccinated.

It’s like you forgot March 2020-July 2020 … with refrigeration trucks full of bodies.

Yes people went to emergency rooms unable to breathe and could not be seen by a dr.

Is this cognitive dissonance or fo you have early onset?

And these people included more than just elderly and vulnerable. Healthy kids were even a part of this.

Sure majority of those in their teens/20s are not going to die immediately from Covid, but they stand a good chance of getting Long Covid. We don't fully understand what this will mean in 3-5-10years, but most medical experts believe it will be an issue and we are already seeing some of it. So sure risk your kid's entire future life for getting covid now--I hope for their sakes they do not end up with Long covid as it is not a good thing.

We can still live life, but it would be nice if we had some precautions in place---better ventilation for schools and all public places, people wearing masks when they go to public places---not that hard to wear a mask for the 30 mins you are in target or the grocery store, not sending your kids to school or going to work yourself if you are sick/still testing positive for covid, etc. We can find a happy medium between 2020 and "let's pretend covid is gone or only a minor cold".

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I can tell who in this thread spends too much time on Twitter.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/large-study-provides-scientists-deeper-insight-into-long-covid-symptoms

Where in that article does it say that most medical experts think young people stand a good chance of getting long Covid? (Hint: it doesn’t)

[Anonymous]

Me- once last summer, 1 vaccine, no boosters
Spouse- never, got all vaccines available
2 kids- never, not vaccinated

[Anonymous]

Twice - first time December 2021 and the second time August 2022. First time hubby brought it home, second time I caught it while traveling abroad.

[Anonymous]

Zero times that I know of. DH caught it summer 2021 (Delta I assume) and DS caught it Christmas 2021 (Omicron I think, most of his grade caught it). DD has never tested positive and was tested pretty frequently at school.

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Anonymous wrote:India has forgotten COVID. People are maskless. Thank God no one is vaccine denying.

Burning the dead on roads and streets. Families Viped out. Unreal. But not as unreal as Americans!

I visited a few months ago and plenty of people were masked on the Ahmedabad metro. Nobody had forgotten, exactly…people were still talking constantly about “corona” and nearly all had lost a friend or extended family member. But yes in most places they stopped masking.

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Once. Half my immediate family has never had it. I am a physician and continue to mask with patients, airports and other crowded spots (sometimes! Have also chosen to go maskless at weddings and other events). My kids no longer mask in school

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Zero

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

Do you hear yourself?

You are basically saying if I am not at risk for dying from it, how big a deal can it really be?

Totally self-absorbed.

NP. That's not how I read this at all. This person is saying that the war analogy is a very bad one. This disease and it's worst outcomes are not at all random. They never were even in March 2020. In May 2023, the worst outcomes even for the weakest among us are largely (not entirely) avoidable even for the elderly and sick if they avail themselves of vaccines and treatments. Re-read the bolded sentence. That is this person's point and I agree 100 percent.

March 2020 are you insane.

Healthy adults died in the parking lots in NY of COVID.

It was not unavoidable if you had to pay bills and go to work.

I agree the vaccine saved lives but the vaccine deniers have killed more people than gun violence.

I'd like a citation for the healthy adults dropping dead of COVID in the parking lots of New York, especially as the emergency field hospitals ended up never being used.

I do agree (fully!) that vaccines saved lives. But that is a different situation entirely. Vaccination or not, COVID killed primarily unhealthy older people. Random healthy younger people who died of COVID are very rare. Today, with both vaccinations and treatments, few people are at risk of suffering badly from COVID and that is why it is not a public topic any more. But it will, and it will always, affect the elderly and very sick, just as the elderly and very sick died of the flu before COVID came along. Even if they are vaccinated.

It’s like you forgot March 2020-July 2020 … with refrigeration trucks full of bodies.

Yes people went to emergency rooms unable to breathe and could not be seen by a dr.

Is this cognitive dissonance or fo you have early onset?

And these people included more than just elderly and vulnerable. Healthy kids were even a part of this.

Sure majority of those in their teens/20s are not going to die immediately from Covid, but they stand a good chance of getting Long Covid. We don't fully understand what this will mean in 3-5-10years, but most medical experts believe it will be an issue and we are already seeing some of it. So sure risk your kid's entire future life for getting covid now--I hope for their sakes they do not end up with Long covid as it is not a good thing.

We can still live life, but it would be nice if we had some precautions in place---better ventilation for schools and all public places, people wearing masks when they go to public places---not that hard to wear a mask for the 30 mins you are in target or the grocery store, not sending your kids to school or going to work yourself if you are sick/still testing positive for covid, etc. We can find a happy medium between 2020 and "let's pretend covid is gone or only a minor cold".

Most? Source?

I can tell who in this thread spends too much time on Twitter.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/large-study-provides-scientists-deeper-insight-into-long-covid-symptoms

Where in that article does it say that most medical experts think young people stand a good chance of getting long Covid? (Hint: it doesn’t)

ALL people stand a good chance of getting long COVID. 10% of adults who had COVID developed long COVID. That's a huge percentage.

And it is very likely that repeated exposure increases your chance, but we just don't have the data on that yet.

Poor Dr Osterholm. He now has long COVID. https://twitter.com/LauraMiers/status/1660886181431607296

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

Do you hear yourself?

You are basically saying if I am not at risk for dying from it, how big a deal can it really be?

Totally self-absorbed.

NP. That's not how I read this at all. This person is saying that the war analogy is a very bad one. This disease and it's worst outcomes are not at all random. They never were even in March 2020. In May 2023, the worst outcomes even for the weakest among us are largely (not entirely) avoidable even for the elderly and sick if they avail themselves of vaccines and treatments. Re-read the bolded sentence. That is this person's point and I agree 100 percent.

March 2020 are you insane.

Healthy adults died in the parking lots in NY of COVID.

It was not unavoidable if you had to pay bills and go to work.

I agree the vaccine saved lives but the vaccine deniers have killed more people than gun violence.

I'd like a citation for the healthy adults dropping dead of COVID in the parking lots of New York, especially as the emergency field hospitals ended up never being used.

I do agree (fully!) that vaccines saved lives. But that is a different situation entirely. Vaccination or not, COVID killed primarily unhealthy older people. Random healthy younger people who died of COVID are very rare. Today, with both vaccinations and treatments, few people are at risk of suffering badly from COVID and that is why it is not a public topic any more. But it will, and it will always, affect the elderly and very sick, just as the elderly and very sick died of the flu before COVID came along. Even if they are vaccinated.

It’s like you forgot March 2020-July 2020 … with refrigeration trucks full of bodies.

Yes people went to emergency rooms unable to breathe and could not be seen by a dr.

Is this cognitive dissonance or fo you have early onset?

And these people included more than just elderly and vulnerable. Healthy kids were even a part of this.

Sure majority of those in their teens/20s are not going to die immediately from Covid, but they stand a good chance of getting Long Covid. We don't fully understand what this will mean in 3-5-10years, but most medical experts believe it will be an issue and we are already seeing some of it. So sure risk your kid's entire future life for getting covid now--I hope for their sakes they do not end up with Long covid as it is not a good thing.

We can still live life, but it would be nice if we had some precautions in place---better ventilation for schools and all public places, people wearing masks when they go to public places---not that hard to wear a mask for the 30 mins you are in target or the grocery store, not sending your kids to school or going to work yourself if you are sick/still testing positive for covid, etc. We can find a happy medium between 2020 and "let's pretend covid is gone or only a minor cold".

Most? Source?

I can tell who in this thread spends too much time on Twitter.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/large-study-provides-scientists-deeper-insight-into-long-covid-symptoms

Where in that article does it say that most medical experts think young people stand a good chance of getting long Covid? (Hint: it doesn’t)

https://usafacts.org/articles/here-are-the-ages-likely-to-get-long-covid/

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

Do you hear yourself?

You are basically saying if I am not at risk for dying from it, how big a deal can it really be?

Totally self-absorbed.

NP. That's not how I read this at all. This person is saying that the war analogy is a very bad one. This disease and it's worst outcomes are not at all random. They never were even in March 2020. In May 2023, the worst outcomes even for the weakest among us are largely (not entirely) avoidable even for the elderly and sick if they avail themselves of vaccines and treatments. Re-read the bolded sentence. That is this person's point and I agree 100 percent.

March 2020 are you insane.

Healthy adults died in the parking lots in NY of COVID.

It was not unavoidable if you had to pay bills and go to work.

I agree the vaccine saved lives but the vaccine deniers have killed more people than gun violence.

I'd like a citation for the healthy adults dropping dead of COVID in the parking lots of New York, especially as the emergency field hospitals ended up never being used.

I do agree (fully!) that vaccines saved lives. But that is a different situation entirely. Vaccination or not, COVID killed primarily unhealthy older people. Random healthy younger people who died of COVID are very rare. Today, with both vaccinations and treatments, few people are at risk of suffering badly from COVID and that is why it is not a public topic any more. But it will, and it will always, affect the elderly and very sick, just as the elderly and very sick died of the flu before COVID came along. Even if they are vaccinated.

It’s like you forgot March 2020-July 2020 … with refrigeration trucks full of bodies.

Yes people went to emergency rooms unable to breathe and could not be seen by a dr.

Is this cognitive dissonance or fo you have early onset?

And these people included more than just elderly and vulnerable. Healthy kids were even a part of this.

Sure majority of those in their teens/20s are not going to die immediately from Covid, but they stand a good chance of getting Long Covid. We don't fully understand what this will mean in 3-5-10years, but most medical experts believe it will be an issue and we are already seeing some of it. So sure risk your kid's entire future life for getting covid now--I hope for their sakes they do not end up with Long covid as it is not a good thing.

We can still live life, but it would be nice if we had some precautions in place---better ventilation for schools and all public places, people wearing masks when they go to public places---not that hard to wear a mask for the 30 mins you are in target or the grocery store, not sending your kids to school or going to work yourself if you are sick/still testing positive for covid, etc. We can find a happy medium between 2020 and "let's pretend covid is gone or only a minor cold".

Most? Source?

I can tell who in this thread spends too much time on Twitter.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/large-study-provides-scientists-deeper-insight-into-long-covid-symptoms

Where in that article does it say that most medical experts think young people stand a good chance of getting long Covid? (Hint: it doesn’t)

ALL people stand a good chance of getting long COVID. 10% of adults who had COVID developed long COVID. That's a huge percentage.

And it is very likely that repeated exposure increases your chance, but we just don't have the data on that yet.

Poor Dr Osterholm. He now has long COVID. https://twitter.com/LauraMiers/status/1660886181431607296

It’s 28%

https://usafacts.org/articles/here-are-the-ages-likely-to-get-long-covid/

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

This is a very good point. It is sad how unnecessarily warped young people have been.

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

This is a very good point. It is sad how unnecessarily warped young people have been.

It would be if it were not full of lies.

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

This is a very good point. It is sad how unnecessarily warped young people have been.

It would be if it were not full of lies.

What lies? I imagine this is a pointless question as some people are determined to believe COVID is a serious threat to everyone and we're all at risk of death or long covid or whatever and will come armed with their highly selective, often based on skewed data, stats or twitters to prove a point. Meanwhile, in the real world out there - life goes on. Most people have long left COVID behind. That tells you something.