Duggar family documentary coming to Prime

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Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!

Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/

Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?

DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn.

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies.

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years.

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?), no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did. I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

Tia Levings. She's amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!

Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/

Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?

DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn.

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies.

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years.

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?), no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did. I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

The "umbrella of authority" is by no means a mainstream and common teaching.

Not everyone in the 80s was spanked, not by a long shot.

You grew up in a fundamentalist community.

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Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!

Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/

Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?

DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn.

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies.

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years.

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?), no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did. I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

The "umbrella of authority" is by no means a mainstream and common teaching.

Not everyone in the 80s was spanked, not by a long shot.

You grew up in a fundamentalist community.

DP.

Many, many, many people were spanked in the United States. And to think that it’s some sort of sign of fundamentalism as opposed to a national mental health issue is naive and suggests you only interact with people of a certain socioeconomic background. There have been surveys done that have shown that 70% of Americans sampled think there are some situations where spanking is necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:What is it about this family that makes you hate them so much?
Just don’t watch the show
There are plenty of weirdo’s

I don’t hate the family at all. I feel sorry for most of them (not Josh or Jim Bob though). And I feel scared about the ways the culture they endorse has the potential to injure people.

Michelle Duggar is complicit.

Yeah I can’t say I feel that sorry for Michelle either since she made the conscious choice to join the religion/ideology and fully advocated for a lot of the horrible decisions the fault made. I’m more conflicted about Anna (Josh’s wife): on one hand, her choices to keep having kids with Josh and letting her husband have access to his kids horrify me but on the other hand, she was raised in this group with the idea that she must submit to her husband and with 7 kids and limited options for taking care of them I do feel like she’s in a very difficult scenario.

I see Anna as complicit
She could have rebelled and gotten her tubes tied when the scandal broke, instead she fixes everything by having another baby

How would she support herself with that many kids and no education? Michelle made her choice and she's a leader in that community. The kids have been brainwashed and abused to comply.

Anna is a grown woman, not a brainwashed child
Having another baby is not the way to fix things
She would have been fine with alimony and child support. The family is wealthy

What alimony? Josh is in jail and he's not paying anything for the next 13 years.

Anna stuck with him so that Jim bob would keep paying her expenses. Her family lives in a windowless warehouse on the Duggar compound

And that’s also part of their beliefs - women can’t just be alone without a man in their lives. Maybe if you were much older and a widow whose own parents were deceased. Even then I feel like there might be some light pressure to move in with a brother or an adult male child or in-law. But other than that, they always have to be under a man’s authority. Since Josh is in prison, Anna’s authority now has to be either Jim Bob or her own father, and I want to say where Josh is locked up is closer to Arkansas than to Florida where Anna is originally from, so they stayed with the Duggars in Arkansas and that’s that.

She has her own family too. I fall to understand how she would have had that many kids without some certainty of how to get by
And still went on to have more kids

Well her “certainty of how to get by” was Josh and the associated Duggar family money. She has basically no education. Although I remember reading somewhere that she did get more of an education or a slightly different education than the Duggar siblings, or she did some online college coursework or something. But still. A career was never in the works for her or any other young woman who was raised like her.

And honestly - they also, ideally, strictly regulate the work the men can do too. You’ll notice none of them seem to work at office jobs or for big corporations. They all “go into business for themselves” or work at a “family business” or whatever. I remember a lot of long time Duggar followers being surprised that Jill was allowed to court with and marry Derrick, who went to actual high school, graduated from actual college, and had a real career and is older than Jill. People were surprised because he would be much harder to control.

Kind of chicken or the egg. None of the men seem particularly intelligent.

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Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!

Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/

Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?

DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn.

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies.

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years.

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?), no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did. I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

The "umbrella of authority" is by no means a mainstream and common teaching.

Not everyone in the 80s was spanked, not by a long shot.

You grew up in a fundamentalist community.

OK, everybody got spanked. It was very common though.

As far as the umbrella of authority, Christ is over the man who is over the wife and child. That wasn’t a common teaching? I’m not talking about the enforcement of it, but the actual teaching of it? That’s probably a question for the religion forum or for theologians.

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Anonymous wrote:What is it about this family that makes you hate them so much?
Just don’t watch the show
There are plenty of weirdo’s

I don’t hate the family at all. I feel sorry for most of them (not Josh or Jim Bob though). And I feel scared about the ways the culture they endorse has the potential to injure people.

Michelle Duggar is complicit.

Yeah I can’t say I feel that sorry for Michelle either since she made the conscious choice to join the religion/ideology and fully advocated for a lot of the horrible decisions the fault made. I’m more conflicted about Anna (Josh’s wife): on one hand, her choices to keep having kids with Josh and letting her husband have access to his kids horrify me but on the other hand, she was raised in this group with the idea that she must submit to her husband and with 7 kids and limited options for taking care of them I do feel like she’s in a very difficult scenario.

I see Anna as complicit
She could have rebelled and gotten her tubes tied when the scandal broke, instead she fixes everything by having another baby

How would she support herself with that many kids and no education? Michelle made her choice and she's a leader in that community. The kids have been brainwashed and abused to comply.

Anna is a grown woman, not a brainwashed child
Having another baby is not the way to fix things
She would have been fine with alimony and child support. The family is wealthy

What alimony? Josh is in jail and he's not paying anything for the next 13 years.

Anna stuck with him so that Jim bob would keep paying her expenses. Her family lives in a windowless warehouse on the Duggar compound

Anna’s brother who has left that community publicly supported her and said she and her kids could come live with him. Anna is complicit because she wants to maintain a certain lifestyle not because she doesn’t have other options she could make work if she was worried about protecting her kids. I also doubt she even loves Josh but probably just clings to him because she likely could not get someone else (who wants to date someone who shares that many kids with a pedophile?).

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Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!

Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/

Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?

DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn.

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies.

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years.

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?), no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did. I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

The "umbrella of authority" is by no means a mainstream and common teaching.

Not everyone in the 80s was spanked, not by a long shot.

You grew up in a fundamentalist community.

OK, everybody got spanked. It was very common though.

As far as the umbrella of authority, Christ is over the man who is over the wife and child. That wasn’t a common teaching? I’m not talking about the enforcement of it, but the actual teaching of it? That’s probably a question for the religion forum or for theologians.

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Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!

Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/

Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?

DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn.

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies.

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years.

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?), no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did. I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

The "umbrella of authority" is by no means a mainstream and common teaching.

Not everyone in the 80s was spanked, not by a long shot.

You grew up in a fundamentalist community.

OK, everybody got spanked. It was very common though.

As far as the umbrella of authority, Christ is over the man who is over the wife and child. That wasn’t a common teaching? I’m not talking about the enforcement of it, but the actual teaching of it? That’s probably a question for the religion forum or for theologians.

I grew up in a mainstream Christian home and had never heard of this teaching until the Duggars. It's not common, possibly because the concept of "authority" over others isn't common in mainstream Christianity.

(Then again, Gothard/IBLP teachings aren't Christian.)

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Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!

Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/

Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?

DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn.

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies.

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years.

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?), no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did. I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

The "umbrella of authority" is by no means a mainstream and common teaching.

Not everyone in the 80s was spanked, not by a long shot.

You grew up in a fundamentalist community.

OK, everybody got spanked. It was very common though.

As far as the umbrella of authority, Christ is over the man who is over the wife and child. That wasn’t a common teaching? I’m not talking about the enforcement of it, but the actual teaching of it? That’s probably a question for the religion forum or for theologians.

I grew up in a mainstream Christian home and had never heard of this teaching until the Duggars. It's not common, possibly because the concept of "authority" over others isn't common in mainstream Christianity.

(Then again, Gothard/IBLP teachings aren't Christian.)

Thank you. Every day I learn something new about myself and this is one of those days. Maybe I did grew up in a cult!

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Anonymous wrote:I finished this last night and wow, so upsetting. I got the feeling that Jill may take legal action against TLC and/or her parents about the whole lack of payment (listed as a minor) issue. Maybe the statue of limitations has run out, but who knows?

Also, I wish they had given us an update on the rest of the kids. Did that older daughter ever get married? She always seemed the saddest to me.

No, Jana never married (she's 33 now). She recently moved into a small house on the same property as her parents' house.

I read that Jana has made multiple 5 year commitments to not date as a promise to God and her family. It's a Bill Gothard/IBLP thing and the ultimate vow of celibacy. Jinger mentioned these vows in an interview, not saying Jana but it felt like she was hinting at that. She said some girls take 10 yr vows.

Sounds like the kind of thing you do when marriage isn't for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I finished this last night and wow, so upsetting. I got the feeling that Jill may take legal action against TLC and/or her parents about the whole lack of payment (listed as a minor) issue. Maybe the statue of limitations has run out, but who knows?

Also, I wish they had given us an update on the rest of the kids. Did that older daughter ever get married? She always seemed the saddest to me.

No, Jana never married (she's 33 now). She recently moved into a small house on the same property as her parents' house.

I read that Jana has made multiple 5 year commitments to not date as a promise to God and her family. It's a Bill Gothard/IBLP thing and the ultimate vow of celibacy. Jinger mentioned these vows in an interview, not saying Jana but it felt like she was hinting at that. She said some girls take 10 yr vows.

Sounds like the kind of thing you do when marriage isn't for you.

Which is especially likely if you are part of a religion where your husband has authority over you and can discipline you.

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Anonymous wrote:I finished this last night and wow, so upsetting. I got the feeling that Jill may take legal action against TLC and/or her parents about the whole lack of payment (listed as a minor) issue. Maybe the statue of limitations has run out, but who knows?

Also, I wish they had given us an update on the rest of the kids. Did that older daughter ever get married? She always seemed the saddest to me.

No, Jana never married (she's 33 now). She recently moved into a small house on the same property as her parents' house.

I read that Jana has made multiple 5 year commitments to not date as a promise to God and her family. It's a Bill Gothard/IBLP thing and the ultimate vow of celibacy. Jinger mentioned these vows in an interview, not saying Jana but it felt like she was hinting at that. She said some girls take 10 yr vows.

Sounds like the kind of thing you do when marriage isn't for you.

Which is especially likely if you are part of a religion where your husband has authority over you and can discipline you.

I’ve watched/read former fundie folks talk about oldest daughters not wanting to marry, saying that many of them feel like they’ve already raised children and ran households for most/all their life. Why would they want to do it again, especially with some "courted" skeeveball that's not going to be a good husband? Why go back to that life and responsibility, when right now she has all the time in the world to do her gardening and art, travel, etc.?

I’m not saying it’s her reason, but I could see it playing into her choice for not pursuing that life.

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Anonymous wrote:What is it about this family that makes you hate them so much?
Just don’t watch the show
There are plenty of weirdo’s

I don’t hate the family at all. I feel sorry for most of them (not Josh or Jim Bob though). And I feel scared about the ways the culture they endorse has the potential to injure people.

Michelle Duggar is complicit.

Yeah I can’t say I feel that sorry for Michelle either since she made the conscious choice to join the religion/ideology and fully advocated for a lot of the horrible decisions the fault made. I’m more conflicted about Anna (Josh’s wife): on one hand, her choices to keep having kids with Josh and letting her husband have access to his kids horrify me but on the other hand, she was raised in this group with the idea that she must submit to her husband and with 7 kids and limited options for taking care of them I do feel like she’s in a very difficult scenario.

I see Anna as complicit
She could have rebelled and gotten her tubes tied when the scandal broke, instead she fixes everything by having another baby

How would she support herself with that many kids and no education? Michelle made her choice and she's a leader in that community. The kids have been brainwashed and abused to comply.

Anna is a grown woman, not a brainwashed child
Having another baby is not the way to fix things
She would have been fine with alimony and child support. The family is wealthy

What alimony? Josh is in jail and he's not paying anything for the next 13 years.

Anna stuck with him so that Jim bob would keep paying her expenses. Her family lives in a windowless warehouse on the Duggar compound

Anna’s brother who has left that community publicly supported her and said she and her kids could come live with him. Anna is complicit because she wants to maintain a certain lifestyle not because she doesn’t have other options she could make work if she was worried about protecting her kids. I also doubt she even loves Josh but probably just clings to him because she likely could not get someone else (who wants to date someone who shares that many kids with a pedophile?).

She has been conditioned her entire life to fear the secular world and that the best thing for her kids is whatver her husband or FIL say. If they are providing her well enough existence then she’s no reason to question it.

This poor woman have never had a chance to think anything different than what she was taught.

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Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!

Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/

Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?

DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn.

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies.

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years.

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?), no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did. I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

The "umbrella of authority" is by no means a mainstream and common teaching.

Not everyone in the 80s was spanked, not by a long shot.

You grew up in a fundamentalist community.

OK, everybody got spanked. It was very common though.

As far as the umbrella of authority, Christ is over the man who is over the wife and child. That wasn’t a common teaching? I’m not talking about the enforcement of it, but the actual teaching of it? That’s probably a question for the religion forum or for theologians.

I grew up in a mainstream Christian home and had never heard of this teaching until the Duggars. It's not common, possibly because the concept of "authority" over others isn't common in mainstream Christianity.

(Then again, Gothard/IBLP teachings aren't Christian.)

Thank you. Every day I learn something new about myself and this is one of those days. Maybe I did grew up in a cult!

I mean the umbrella theory is woven into our society and mainstream culture- absolutely. I serve god and my country is woven into the scout promises. The umbrella theory is the foundation of patriarchy. At this point culturally we are moving away from it, but it heavily influences the way we have set up our culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!

Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/

Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?

DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn.

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies.

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years.

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?), no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did. I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

The "umbrella of authority" is by no means a mainstream and common teaching.

Not everyone in the 80s was spanked, not by a long shot.

You grew up in a fundamentalist community.

OK, everybody got spanked. It was very common though.

As far as the umbrella of authority, Christ is over the man who is over the wife and child. That wasn’t a common teaching? I’m not talking about the enforcement of it, but the actual teaching of it? That’s probably a question for the religion forum or for theologians.

I grew up in a mainstream Christian home and had never heard of this teaching until the Duggars. It's not common, possibly because the concept of "authority" over others isn't common in mainstream Christianity.

(Then again, Gothard/IBLP teachings aren't Christian.)

+1 I grew up in an Episcopalian home and had never heard of this until I started learning about fundamentalists. We would be much more likely to get sermons about how patriarchy is not God’s plan but yeah “authority” isn’t really a theological construct I grew up with. Obviously there’s a range and I wouldn’t be surprised if it popped up in some other denominations that weren’t full on fundie but my experience was that it wasn’t at all common.

I never heard of anyone talking about spanking growing up either. That’s not to say that no one in my community spanked — statistically that would be unlikely — but it wasn’t a very common form of discipline by the time kids made it elementary school.